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ReactOS Presented To Russian President Putin 155

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An anonymous reader writes "While President Putin was touring the area of Seliger Youth Forum, Marat Karatov demonstrated what can only be described as a fair amount of daring when he called out to the president and requested to present ReactOS to him. Putin agreed, and the project has now presented ReactOS to two successive Russian presidents. Putin responded to the presentation by stating he would think on it."
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ReactOS Presented To Russian President Putin

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:00AM (#40902815)

    Well, as long as they don't criticize Putin in any way, they should be fine. Otherwise their OS will be banned and they will be sentenced to 10-20 years in Siberian prison for patent infringement or minor tax fraud.

    Just sayin'...

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Why would anyone ever want to clone Windows?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Why would anyone ever want to clone Windows?

      Oh I don't know. How about using a lot of hardware that doesn't do jack shit under linux ?
      Especially audio hardware. Not your consumer oriented crap obviously. And video editor suits etc...

      And frankly having a windows clone is as good as having a dos clone.
      We can replay all those great pc games (that newer generations don't even know because all they get nowadays are shitty console ports of shitty games).

      More choice is good, and even better the day my windows programs will not be taken hostage by Microsoft.

      • Why couldn't you use a real Windows installation for those tasks?
        • paying 100 euros for a restrictive license is a bit too much. tied to one computer, and over restrictions - remote use is forbidden unless you've strictly got one user running, for one thing. all so that I can play quake 2 and quake 3 based games, etc. again. or even play a doom source port, which does not even runs correctly under linux - a long time bug prevents from using soundfonts with the timidity synthesizer and the default midi is horrendous crap with missing instruments.

          I would like a working React

          • paying 100 euros for a restrictive license is a bit too much.

            So is using software whose goal is to emulate an EOL'd, 12 year old version of Windows, especially when said software has been in alpha for the last decade or so.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by c0lo (1497653)

      Why would anyone ever want to clone Windows?

      One can't release viruses in open-source if they are based on non-documented API-es... it wouldn't be compliant with DMCA.

      (grin)

    • by Kupfernigk (1190345) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:34AM (#40903173)
      So that Russians can use Windows programs, of which there are very many, without using an American OS. I imagine that what he told Putin was "if this gets completed Russia can be sure that Windows programs can be run in secure environments with no risk of them reporting back to the US, and you don't have to pay Microsoft anything for it."

      It's funny how a lot of people who seem to be American do not seem to get that for a large part of the world the USA is a threat as well as a promise. It's the butt headed attitude that the Roman Empire got into - we are the bringers of civilisation, everybody must love us. Only it turned out that the Goths didn't want it.

      • by bmo (77928) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:25AM (#40903381)

        "if this gets completed Russia can be sure that Windows programs can be run in secure environments"

        Trying to make a bug-compatible Windows clone is secure? You wind up implementing the same design decisions that Microsoft did that makes Windows an unsecure pile. Don't forget that Windows is a *consumer oriented* operating system and the design compromises show it.

        It's funny how a lot of people who seem to be American do not seem to get that for a large part of the world the USA is a threat as well as a promise

        If you want an OS that is truly international and not dependent on any one country, you want Linux or *BSD or even Plan9 if you don't want to roll your own. It would be cool if the Russians picked up Plan 9 and ran with it. It's got some really good ideas. Besides that, It's easier to write an OS from scratch than to reverse-engineer Windows. It's not like Russia is lacking in the people with that skillset.

        Finally, trying to untie yourself from Microsoft and the US by reverse engineering Windows is self-defeating, isn't it? You remain wedded to whatever design Microsoft comes up in the future and chase that forever.

        --
        BMO

        • by sageres (561626)

          I can't believe folks don't remember the Russian Operating System effort. Oh well, that was three years ago:

          http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/01/23/1450224/russia-to-develop-a-national-operating-system [slashdot.org]

        • No, you don't. I can see you've never worked in a resource-constrained country.

          There are a lot of extant programs that don't have *NIX versions and for which the source code isn't available. Let's take Office 2000...please. Let's assume that I am the Russian Government and I have cracked copies of, I don't know, older Photoshop, Office, you name it.

          Now someone gives me an OS that runs all those programs but to which I have the source code. Which is easier: to add required new functions to the OS, or to wri

          • Re:Missed the point (Score:5, Interesting)

            by TheLink (130905) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @08:01AM (#40903815) Journal
            If ReactOS actually becomes stable and usable I suspect a number of large US corporations might be interested too.

            There are lots of corporations that are happy with Windows XP, and the only problems with it is the bugs are no longer going to be fixed, and MS will stop selling it.
            • by willy_me (212994)

              Not really. When every new PC comes with a copy of Windows there is no reason to go with ReactOS. The additional license costs for a corporate Windows Pro upgrade are minimal. If one wanted an alternative OS they would just go with Linux.

              So on the plus side you save a little money for each PC but you do so at the risk of software compatibility/support, possible legal action from Microsoft, and increased labour costs as now the IT people have to work with more then 1 OS. Small gain, large risk - that'

              • I'm running a large country. I want control of my computers and the software they run. I tell people to sort out compatibility and support. Labour costs aren't a worry. And being sued by Microsoft? How many ICBMs do they have?

                I really do not think you quite get the commercial environment here.

          • by bmo (77928)

            Let's take Office 2000...please. Let's assume that I am the Russian Government and I have cracked copies of, I don't know, older Photoshop, Office, you name it.

            Now someone gives me an OS that runs all those programs but to which I have the source code

            Sure. Wine runs all that old stuff on various other OSes - OSX, Linux, BSD. Faster than Windows does. Heck, it runs WoW faster than Windows does and it does so on already mature operating systems that you don't have to baby to keep from crashing. You don't

      • why not linux, its far more stable, better suported, etc...

        great international team on various projects.

        many other countries did this with linux.
    • With the current Gnome Shell/Unity trauma, users find the familiar UI of ReactOS Explorer comforting? :)

  • by aglider (2435074) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:09AM (#40902873) Homepage

    Unbelievable!
    Next step: a president taking decisions on programming patterns!
    Yeah!

    • by game kid (805301) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:31AM (#40902941) Homepage

      It would sure make negative ads more interesting. "How can he say he's creating manufacturing jobs if he can't even write a factory method!? This man is wrong for our country! You deserve a better President."

      • by Anonymous Coward

        It would sure make negative ads more interesting. "How can he say he's creating manufacturing jobs if he can't even write a factory method!? This man is wrong for our country! You deserve a better President."

        He's a politician. He would only be experienced with the singleton and facade patterns.

      • Don't instantiate Romney for the 2013 control function!

  • You'd think you could do what Microsoft was too dumb to try and make a sandbox mode where .exe can't touch things it can't. The easiest way would be to restrict things from getting outside it's install directory, and to make a fresh registry for every application. A lot of .exes wouldn't work, but if they were trusted, you could turn off sandbox. And the future of .exe development would involve working in a single directory.

    Am I naive to think the problem is so easy to solve? The problem being rampa
    • by Anonymous Coward

      ReactOS isn't just about running .exe's. If that's all you want to do, then WINE is probably what you want (my understanding is that ReactOS and WINE share code to some extent). ReactOS is also able to handle Windows drivers, which WINE cannot handle, allowing for a more complete emulation of Windows.

      That said, there's no reason why you couldn't do AppArmor-style security (which is what it sounds like you are describing) on top of something like ReactOS. In fact, there's multiple third-party applications t

    • You'd think you could do what Microsoft was too dumb to try and make a sandbox mode where .exe can't touch things it can't.

      Sandboxing has existed in Windows since Windows 2000 (see SAFER) and has seen updates in every Windows version since.

  • Isn't one Win*OS enough to cause misery and pain? Why do we need these clones?

    • by Rogerborg (306625)

      Isn't one Win*OS enough to cause misery and pain? Why do we need these clones?

      Games and stuff.

      Really, that's all that I still use Windows for. I hope the ReactOS guys realise that.

  • Well thats cool (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Phrogman (80473) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:32AM (#40902957) Homepage

    I am quite happy someone wants to clone Windows to the point where a user can't tell that MS Windows has been replaced by ReactOS. Sort of like a Folger's commercial from way back when.
    If they ever complete the project and get a viable version of it, then they have produced a version of Windows that can be run by anyone anywhere without violating Microsoft's copyright etc. It might piss of MS but it would mean and end to them pointing out how popular software piracy is based on the number of illegal copies of MS Windows there are out there, particularly in the third world.
    It would also open the door to fixing a lot of the problems that MS ignored, and perhaps they are doing this as they develop it for that matter.
    I can't see more free software hurting in any way at any rate, and this lets people capitalize on all the useful software they may currently rely on without having to change or learn new things. User's don't seem to like learning new things unless they are trivial to absorb.

  • by allcoolnameswheretak (1102727) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:47AM (#40903007)

    I don't think that cozying up to a "president" that is in full swing of turning his country into a plutocrat dictatorship and police state while eliminating all opposition is the kind of publicity you want.

  • Deja vu? (Score:2, Informative)

    by EETech1 (1179269)

    Wasn't this from about a year and a half ago, or did it happen again?

    It should show up in related stories, but that'd be asking too much.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It was last September, but Putin was not president then (he was prime minister). As the summary says, this makes two Russian presidents in a row; the previous one was Medvedev. And, by golly, the link to the Medvedev story is in the summary.

  • by Ginger Unicorn (952287) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:58AM (#40903269)

    Putin responded to the presentation by stating he would think on it.

    Awwwwwww, that always means no!

    • by tftp (111690)

      ReactOS is a non-solution. You are still locked into using non-free Windows software. If you are concerned about backdoors, they may well be inside MS Office and inside Photoshop and inside every other program. Or how about rootkits that can patch a system DLL? Is ReactOS protected from such things if the latest Windows is not?

      The correct solution would be to move to Linux because the OS is available in source, and majority of the software that is needed to run the government is also available in open so

  • ARWINSS (Score:4, Informative)

    by slacka (713188) on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:29AM (#40903403)

    For anyone that wants to try ReactOS out, I highly recommend the ARWINSS fork, which is a new Win32 subsystem for ReactOS that reuses as much Wine code as possible. The ARWINSS architecture implements APIs exposed via USER32 and GDI32 libraries and is based upon Wine source-code. In my testing the stability and compatibility was much better then the official release. You can find it here:

    http://www.reactos.org/wiki/Arwinss [reactos.org]

    • by devent (1627873)

      It's just bafflest me that anyone would actually want to use a Windows re-implementation. It's just like you choose the worst of both worlds, bad architecture, more bugs and all viruses.

      Do you really want an architecture, that is not POSIX, not a Unix, with the drivers letter-soup, where you can't just open a file in multiple applications, that does not offer a package manager, with the worst file manager ever (the explorer).

      Why not just use Linux and Wine, so you have the best of two worlds? POSIX, Unix ar

      • by Jorl17 (1716772)
        You know that you can have a POSIX subsystem in the Windows architecture, right? I'm no fan of how Windows is made, but I see a place in the world for this wonderful project. A FLOSS reimplementation of something is always well-received.
  • Whenever I hear or read a news story about Putin I always end up being reminded of Lord Vetinari, Patrician of Ankh-Morpork.
    • I have no idea where Vladimir Putin lies on the scale from evil KGB dictator to enlightened ruler trying to extract Russian from its appalling history, but, had he ever read the books, I rather expect he would be flattered by the comparison.

      In Pratchett's books, Vetinari travels the reverse way from, say, the Assads or Stalin. They start as probably quite well meaning and gradually become more paranoid, violent and repressive. Vetinari starts as a repressive ruler of a backward city state and, as it rapidly

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