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China Unveils Yet Another Stealth Fighter 223

Posted by samzenpus
from the fly-the-secret-skies dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Pictures of a new Chinese stealth fighter prototype started showing up recently on the web. The airplane prototype was photographed at a Shenyang aircraft facility and seems to be a twin-engined lightweight fighter in the F-35 class. US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is scheduled to visit China this week in the midst of tension regarding territorial disputes in the region."
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China Unveils Yet Another Stealth Fighter

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  • by rwise2112 (648849) on Monday September 17, 2012 @11:33AM (#41363123)
    China Unveils Yet Another Stealth Fighter
    Seems they quite get the idea of stealth!
  • by fustakrakich (1673220) on Monday September 17, 2012 @11:39AM (#41363189) Journal

    How quaint... Welcome to the 90s, China.

    • If this is a thinly veiled reference to UAVs, then they're not a replacement for modern fighter planes. UAVs are great for on-site recon, for correcting mortar fire, and for firing missiles at mujis who don't have any effective AA, but it won't give you air dominance in an all-out war against a strong opponent (as would be the case if US and China were to clash, for example). No country in the world currently fields an unmanned air dominance fighter plane.

      And, yes, Chinese are working on their own UAVs, as

  • Painting it black, doesn't make it stealthy!

  • by slazzy (864185) on Monday September 17, 2012 @11:44AM (#41363251) Homepage
    For 9,999,9987
  • F35 class (Score:5, Funny)

    by serviscope_minor (664417) on Monday September 17, 2012 @11:44AM (#41363255) Journal

    and seems to be a twin-engined lightweight fighter in the F-35 class.

    In other words, overweeight, over budget, under performing, poor range and not quite here yet but will be real soon now we promise unless you want the variant that you actually need in which case it will be here real not quite soon now.

    • Actually, the summary has it the wrong way around - most analysts consider the J-20 to be the Chinese aircraft that will fulfill the same role as the F-35, while this new airframe will fulfill the same role as the F-22.

    • by vlm (69642)

      In other words, overweeight, over budget, under performing, poor range and not quite here yet but will be real soon now we promise unless you want the variant that you actually need in which case it will be here real not quite soon now.

      You forgot, an hour after you start, you're hungry for fuel again. At least its a fast delivery vehicle, even dominos doesn't deliver at mach 1. I'm sure there's some more Chinese food jokes in here somewhere.

      • At least its a fast delivery vehicle, even dominos doesn't deliver at mach 1.

        But not for very far. It can't even supercruise. For most things you'd be better off with a Eurofighter, at half the cost.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The layering processing China is using is outdated and inferior to US's radar absorbing layering mesh.

    It's technically stealthy, and most radar systems wont detect it, especially ones in many other countries, including Russias. However, US does have radar technology to detect these planes, heck we need it to detect our 20 year old stealth bombers!

  • you need more than one to fight a war
    what about the engines? do they emit less heat like the f-35?
    are all the angles exactly like the F-35 which is what matters? what about the paint? is it radar absorbing paint?
    what about the command and control? we have special C&C aircraft to target the fighters onto the enemy so its all over before a dogfight.

    its not just about building a demo aircraft. its the whole system

    • by timeOday (582209)
      For once, this time the article does a good job of explaining the difference between a prototype airframe vs. an operational weapons platform. For example how long it took to make the YF-22 into the F22.
  • by GodfatherofSoul (174979) on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:11PM (#41363627)

    All I see is a guy floating 10 feet off the ground.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:27PM (#41363833)

    Fighters are designed strategically from the top down. A country says 1) what are it's strategic goals, and 2) what capabilities are we missing to fill those? American strategic goals are long range power projection; with two oceans protecting them and more or less dominance in the western hemisphere, American goals are to spoil the rise of other countries that might threaten it's interests. The F-22 is designed around this in mind; it's designed to penetrate enemy air space and establish air superiority while destroying air defenses, so that more conventional planes and bombers can then act as a force multiplier for ground troops.

    China's goals are much closer to home. China seeks to secure it's own mainland (the Chinese coast) and establish dominance over the South China Sea and it's southern neighbor. Thus it's fighters are designed around area denial, primarily to keep the US Navy out of it's terriorial waters. Everything you read about the J-20 says it's not as stealthy as the F-22 and can't seem to manuever as well, but it's mostly designed to be a threat to naval ships and keep them out of Chinese waters. THat's why you see that China has developed now 1) the world's largest attack submarine fleet (although all are Diesel-Electric, not nuclear, so individually not as good as the US or British subs, but there's more of them), 2) one of the most advanced anti-ship missiles every designed that can be launched from a mobile, truck mounted launcher, and now 3) stealth fighters that aren't quite as stealthy as the US ones but stealthy enough for the area denial role.

    • by dywolf (2673597)

      Plus consider the effect of diminishing returns on investment. our planes are probably the most stealthy ever anywhere in the world, call it 99% stealthy for modern tech. and they cost a LOT to get there. but if you could produce a plane that's 75% as stealthy fr 50% of the cost, or 50% as stealthy for 30% of the cost....you still have an advantage over basically everyone, other than the US, and for a lot lower cost. and with that lower cost you could build even more of them.

      its like the Light Fighter propo

  • by Coward Anonymous (110649) on Monday September 17, 2012 @12:51PM (#41364103)

    Still bog standard exhausts on those engines. I'm not convinced till they can show a stealthy exhaust. It's a dead giveaway that the book is all cover, no content.

    • I believe there is not much point in trying to make the exhaust "stealth" (against radar waves) when she is a HUGE source of infrared radiation. And as far as I know there is no way to hiding the heat of an exhaust turbine of who is looking at it from a distance. So it would make more sense to have an exhaust that works better as such than one that sacrifice performance to be "stealth".
    • by dywolf (2673597)

      it's probably not "bog standard". its very likely thrust vector capable. And the F22 doesnt have "stealth" exhausts either. It has vector nozzles too. It has a funny shape cause the designers opted to focus the vectoring capability in only one axis, achieving a higher dynamic effect in that axis, than having 360deg vectoring with a much smaller effect in any given direction. they then gave teh trailing edge a broken angle to reduce return on radar signal. but the warm exhaust itself is still there, not much

  • with a Buy-It-Now like they have everything else.
  • Even knockoff stealth fighters now!

    WOO!

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