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China's Stealth Fighter Flight Test Successful 161

Posted by Soulskill
from the sneaky-as-can-be dept.
New submitter vencs writes "China has successfully tested its second stealth fighter, a smaller, twin-engine jet that military analysts said could potentially allow it to one day fly missions from an aircraft carrier. Military analysts said the new jet's design suggested the People's Liberation Army might use it to arm and escort aircraft carriers like the Liaoning, which was officially deployed last month. Andrei Chang, editor-in-chief of Kanwa Asian Defense Monthly, said the new prototype appears to have borrowed features from the U.S. Air Force's twin-engine F-22 and U.S. Navy's single-engine F-35C."
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China's Stealth Fighter Flight Test Successful

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  • Their jet is so stealthy, even the word jet only appears as je in the story's synopsis above.
  • How would anyone know it's been tested?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by jrumney (197329)

      How would anyone know it's been tested?

      That's the beauty of it. Israel could claim Iran had invented a stealth nuclear bomb tomorrow, and noone would be able to talk them out of invading.

      • by Zemran (3101)

        SSSSssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... please stop giving them any ideas. We really cannot afford another stupid war right now.

  • by WindBourne (631190) on Saturday November 03, 2012 @09:10AM (#41864169) Journal
    While China is stealing western tech for stealth, we are moving towards automated drones to take on enemy aircraft. In fact, it is likely that the F-22 and F-35 will be the end of American fighters.

    Other than drones, we really need to focus on better defenses, and better protection for communications.

    That means lasers as well as rail guns. In addition, the DOD really needs to spend money on thorium reactors. They will need to provide tanks with high electrical output to do either a laser or a rail gun.
    • by zill (1690130)
      Stealth technology and drones aren't mutually exclusive.
    • Right. Let's put dozens of nuclear reactors in an urban battlezone.

      What could possibly go wrong?

      • Nice thing about using Thorium is that it can be made safe. Issue solved. And anything that would cause it to blast would have destroyed the tank outright.
        • That's the whole problem: Tanks that are destroyed will be spewing their contents.

          No amount of shielding is going to guarantee safety against present and future developments in armor-piercing weapons.

    • I would guess there's a societal aspect to that split also, though... If the Chinese government, with their larger population and stronger controls on the media and information flow, can sustain a large military (and get the public to tolerate military losses) then I'd suggest that they don't need drones so much. That still doesn't give them the other technical advantages of drones, though (e.g. staying aloft for days at a time, etc).

      • by Zemran (3101)

        "technical advantages of drones"

        Drones are not rocket science (hurr hurr). Hitler had them in WWII (OK, limited) and I used to play with remote control aircraft when I was a child. It is not a big leap forward. Iran has US drone tech and will sell it to anyone that wants to buy it. That cat is so far out of the bag that it has had kittens and is living under an assumed name in New Zealand (with a part in the Hobbit).

        • by timeOday (582209)
          You are mistaken. There are lots of reasons UAV adoption by the US has skyrocketed only recently. Here is some assets you need to use them like we do:
          • 1) Total air dominance
          • 2) A satellite communications network
          • 3) A GPS constellation

          They're like cellphones - for all the end-user attention lavished on handsets, what really enabled them is the infrastructure.

          • GPS and sat comm are easily knocked out. In fact, it was the overriding of our GPS that appears to have enabled Iran to take down our drone. Interesting that they knew what to do. I would guess that China had loads of intel that the many spies that we have here gave them.
            • by timeOday (582209)
              Define "easily." The people we're using them against now certainly haven't had very much success in stopping us. Yes, there was that one that crash landed in Iran, maybe their doing, but I don't think that's terribly significant long-term. We're still using them in the region.

              When and if there's another total war between major powers, I agree that unless there are some really sneaky defenses that aren't publicly known, satellites are awfully vulnerable. One could imagine a mesh network of UAVs relayin

      • In addition, drones can be made to have the ability to pull 20Gs and above. Humans can not.
    • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

      While China is stealing western tech for stealth

      You know it's possible some of it isn't stolen, and was invented by the Chinese.

      Besides, the west is not the be-all and end-all of military hardware. Russia also has world class jets, India has the fastest and probably most accurate cruise missiles in the world, all home grown. The west steals lots of tech too - where do you think all the early jet engine and missile/rocket tech came from? Well, I suppose Germany is technically part of the west, but at the time was our enemy.

    • by tokul (682258)

      In addition, the DOD really needs to spend money on thorium reactors

      In addition US military budget should exceed budgets on other 154 countries combined. Having 41% of all military spendings is not enough.

    • by rtb61 (674572)

      More likely China paid attention how illusionary weapon systems created by the US were able to drive the Soviet Union spending itself into bankruptcy trying to match them. Now it can target the US in the same manner knowing full well that the US military industrial complex driven by greed will be their willing partners in their bankrupting of the US. Lots of talk of new laser weapons, anti-satellite weapons, anti-aircraft carrier weapons, etc. etc, anything to drive up spending fully supported by US corpor

      • by Velex (120469)

        Interesting. Hopefully we at least get a manned Mars mission out of it.

        Damn it, I know that's too much to hope for.

  • No need to build new aeroplanes or, heaven forbid, work on innovative new designs. Just attack them with...patents! All those rounded corners must, surely, breach some spurious Apple patent or other. Microsoft can claim that numerous of their patents have been infringed and demand payments with menaces but never be willing to say exactly what patents were infringed. Paul Allen and Lodsys had best stay out of it as we don't want these aircraft to travel to an East Texas kangeroo court to defend their cl
    • by Sulphur (1548251)

      No need to build new aeroplanes or, heaven forbid, work on innovative new designs. Just attack them with...patents!

      All those rounded corners must, surely, breach some spurious Apple patent or other. Microsoft can claim that numerous of their patents have been infringed and demand payments with menaces but never be willing to say exactly what patents were infringed.

      Paul Allen and Lodsys had best stay out of it as we don't want these aircraft to travel to an East Texas kangeroo court to defend their claims

      The kangaroos are offended.

    • by dicobalt (1536225)
      Clearly this is a 3 trillion dollar patent infringement lawsuit that covers multiple industries. Yes I'm joking, but I'm sure Apple still wants to sue anyway.
  • ..is the timing. They are showing off a new stealth fighter in time for their leadership's transition. The communist party is interested in projecting power during a critical/vulnerable time. Since their authority to govern is not derived from the "will of the people", these transition points are a time of increased vulnerability.
    • The United States will confront China, no doubt about that.
      • How could you say such a thing? Pretty much every major US company manufactures everything they sell in China. If they just said, hey, sorry, we are not shipping any more consumer goods to your country, our economy would totally collapse overnight.

        China also has another weapon that nobody ever likes to talk about - their government treasury prints all the Chinese money. They do not have to borrow money from the international financial cartel. This insulates them to a large degree from world financial pr

        • The United States is an agrar export nation. China is the workbench of the occident. It makes a lot of sense to confront the nation and split it. What some call chinese dialects are in fact completely different languages, China is socially, technically, culturally etc very diverse, makes sense to support seperatist movements.
          • The plan of killing China by moving a bunch of companies over there to manufacture low- and high-tech goods has failed miserably.

            No, China isn't splitting apart because they have different languages. This plan has been tried and it has failed miserably. Just look at all the success that the Hollywood-driven "Free Tibet" nonsense has had! We tried through a 55+ year CIA infiltration program, with the media softening up the USA to favor the brutal Dalai Lama, and threatening to exert some kind of theoretic

            • I am not speaking of Free Tibet, Tibet is not China but seized territory but no one cares over there. I mean more the conflicts between say an urban shanghai population, Beijing and rural provinces. It is a quite common saying among Chinese to "end China". They simply lack imagination.
              • If you think Tibet is seized territory than you are totally unaware of the history of the interactions between China and Tibet.

                Tibet was a warlike kingdom for a very long time, which attacked China and extracted tribute for a long time, until China invaded and took it over. It was an official protectorate of Imperial China for hundreds of years.

                Anyway, the Tibetans are much better off under the ChiCom than they were under Lamaism. At least they can ride a bike over the next hill without receiving the deat

            • "The plan of killing China by moving a bunch of companies over there to manufacture low- and high-tech goods has failed miserably." That was not the plan. The plan was to sell socks to 1 billion Chinese and alleged growth potential which stems from that. But seriously, we learned from the Soviet Union how to overstretch an empire.
              • I think the plan was to actually create wealthy Chinese through factory partnerships, then help these people get into power, where they would gradually weaken the Communist government. Thing is, it was a terrible plan from the get-go and it hasn't really worked.

                The Wang Lijun incident has showed anybody with eyes to see that we are still operating power-brokering scandals in China, but they have been effectively squashed and Bo Xilai who I suspect was our man on the inside is now disgraced, and I'm sure th

  • by presspass (1770650) on Saturday November 03, 2012 @11:07AM (#41864911)

    "Did you see our new stealth fighter?"
    "No?"

    "Damn we're good!"

  • Well CLEARLY, America's only answer to this is another $50 billion in stealth fighters that we can store in a military hangar for the next 100 years.

  • "appears to have (borrowed) (parentheses mine) features from the U.S. Air Force's twin-engine F-22 and U.S. Navy's single-engine F-35C" (I think you mean stolen)!
    The communist Chinese have always been short on originality and Long on thievery.

    • by mjwx (966435)

      "appears to have (borrowed) (parentheses mine) features from the U.S. Air Force's twin-engine F-22 and U.S. Navy's single-engine F-35C" (I think you mean stolen)!
      The communist Chinese have always been short on originality and Long on thievery.

      It would probably be closer to Russia's PAK FA developed by Sukhoi. [wikipedia.org].

      Why steal from the US when you can just buy from the Russians?

  • Yeah, but being made in China the thing will break before the warranty runs out - probably within the first month, then when you check the paperwork there is no phone number or address for the company, and when you google it all you find is alibaba listings to purchase the same of crap. Then, you check out epinions and an amazon listing and everyone gives it a poor rating. Oh, and let's not even think about the lead paint.

    Piece of crap.

  • Another industry we can outsource to China! Look at all the money we'll save!

  • It's anything but stealthy with all those hardpoints and external pylons.

  • I see the chinese espionage is alive and well. That plane looks almost exactly like an X-35, except it has two engines instead of one.

  • Their agreement with Russia does not allow them to arm the Carrier in any conceivable way including placing armed planes on the ship. Their agreement allows them to use the carrier for one thing, testing and training. Maybe they'll violate the Russian sale agreement, I really don't think they will.

  • Am I the only one that sees the humor here of testing stealth technology?

    So where is it? Oh it already flew by... (snicker).
    Best plane ever, we'll order a thousand of them.
    Please make the check out to "CASH". k thx bai!

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