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Nokia "Suspends" Its Free Developer Program 136

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from the only-the-best-fart-app-developers-need-apply dept.
jbernardo writes "Nokia has put in deep freeze its free developer program, the launchpad. Now, in the Developer Programs page, one can only see a pitch for a paid 'Nokia Premium Developer Program,' and below, in the Nokia Developer Pro and Developer Launchpad box, there is a text merely stating that Nokia are not currently accepting new applications for Nokia Developer Launchpad and Nokia Developer Pro programs. With most (if not all) Launchpad memberships already expired, seems like Nokia no longer is interested in the developer community, which once was one of the mainstays of its domination of the smartphone market. Of course, that domination was destroyed by Elop and its 'burning platforms' memo, together with the failed bet on Windows Phone 7, so maybe giving up on developers would also be expectable."
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Nokia "Suspends" Its Free Developer Program

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05, 2012 @08:53PM (#41889237)

    the 7 devs

    • by evafan76 (2527608)
      That many?
    • by Jeremi (14640) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:39PM (#41889665) Homepage

      the 7 devs

      ... and Snow White as well. (Sleeping Beauty could not be reached for comment, but it's rumored that she has transitioned to an Apple platform)

      • by ifiwereasculptor (1870574) on Monday November 05, 2012 @10:08PM (#41889829)

        (Sleeping Beauty could not be reached for comment, but it's rumored that she has transitioned to an Apple platform)

        I'm pretty sure she's running Linux, hence being unable to resume from sleep.

        • by Taco Cowboy (5327)

          (Sleeping Beauty could not be reached for comment, but it's rumored that she has transitioned to an Apple platform)

          I'm pretty sure she's running Linux, hence being unable to resume from sleep.

          Please correct me if I am wrong - the last time I checked, Linux has yet to incorporate the BSOD feature.
           

          • by Compaqt (1758360)

            That's not what he was talking about. The reason it's funny is because it touches on something true: the fact that Linux doesn't wake up from suspend on some of the multitudinous hardware out there. I myself had this problem on brandname (HP) desktop, until I went and customized suspend with blacklist.conf [google.com].

            • by gwking (869658)
              My Windows 7 wakes up from sleep and shits all over the network stack. I had to turn off sleep because of it.
              • by drinkypoo (153816)

                I updated my Vista notebook to 7 and had to go back because the only video driver available for the crappy ATI IGP would only let me resume from suspend once.

                • by JackieBrown (987087) <dbroome@gmail.com> on Tuesday November 06, 2012 @08:24AM (#41892459)

                  Remember that when windows encounters a problem like this, it is the driver/hardware's fault.

                  When this happens to linux, it is because linux is not ready for prime time.

                  At least, this is how it usually is spun.

                  • by kurkosdr (2378710)
                    "Remember that when windows encounters a problem like this, it is the driver/hardware's fault" Yes, because Microsoft was smart enough to have the hardware vendors code the drivers, so what happens is (mostly) their fault. Linux kernel devs were dumb enough to put the drivers in the kernel, and hence under their responsibility (the ABI gets broken too often for proprietary drivers to be a realistic choice). Sure, theoretically the vendor could put their drivers in the kernel tree and still maintain them, b
                    • by DECula (6113) *

                      then MS should call Windows 8 the same platform name on devices that can't run the same applications, no?

                  • by ultranova (717540)

                    To be fair, in Linux drivers are part of the kernel while in Windows they're separate, so in Linux driver problems are kernel (Linux) problems.

          • by lindi (634828)

            In openmoko circles it's know as WSOD (white screen of death) and occurs sometimes when resume fails :)

    • by Luckyo (1726890)

      Symbian still sells more then windows phone worldwide, so I imagine that there's quite a lot more then a handful of people developing for it.

  • Expectable? (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Seriouslyable?

  • Qt/Trolletch (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Qwerpafw (315600) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:01PM (#41889321) Homepage

    I guess I'm glad they spun off Qt before going back and regressing past the paid-commercial-development trolltech days for Qt.

    Admittedly Trolltech used to offer free GPL noncommercial Qt licenses, but that sort of licensing isn't even possible with Windows Phone. Still painful to see open source transition into the most closed model of all.

  • WP not dead yet (Score:3, Insightful)

    by slomike1 (1125421) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:08PM (#41889393)
    The Nokia Lumia 920 is a very interesting phone. Many developers just got one last week at the Build event (2000+ attendees). The Lumia 900 sold pretty well also. I think it is a little early to declare that Nokia and Window's Phone are dead.
    • by tuppe666 (904118)

      The Nokia Lumia 920 is a very interesting phone.

      The problem is not the hardware although its specifications are average at best. Its the operating system, nobody wants a Windows Phone. Windows phones market share is 2%, Androids market share is 75%

    • The Nokia Lumia 920 is a very interesting phone. Many developers just got one last week at the Build event (2000+ attendees). The Lumia 900 sold pretty well also. I think it is a little early to declare that Nokia and Window's Phone are dead.

      What? 20 minutes? An hour?

    • by gl4ss (559668)

      900 sold pretty well?? IN WHAT UNIVERSE???? even 3250 apparently sold better(dig it up, it sucks).

    • by BenoitRen (998927)

      Who is Window and why does (s)he have a phone?

    • BRING OUT YER DED
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
  • by CockMonster (886033) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:16PM (#41889465)
    They struggled greatly with it in fact. It was one of the reasons they dropped Sybmian, the 'ecosystem' never took off. Symbian C++ and frameworks were complicated, and the signing program was a disaster. Maemo had a couple of apps sure but nothing like what Apple have. Elop considered the 'ecosystem' to be the most important thing for the survival of the company.
    • by 21mhz (443080)

      Hey, here at Slashdot we are not spoiling a good Nokia bashing submission with boring facts.
      And I see you've been put to your place already by somebody anonymous with a hell of a life.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 05, 2012 @11:33PM (#41890303)

        Hey, here at Slashdot we are not spoiling a good Nokia bashing submission with boring facts.

        Riiight.... Would be terrible to have that. We should never bring up that the Symbian Market Place alone had 80k apps. We would certainly never mention that there were plenty of other places to get apps (e.g. the best SSH apps never made it to the market place at all). We should never mention that most of the "Apps" were actually applications as opposed to 90% being frontends for someone's blog [windowsphoneapplist.com] or pictures of food [windowsphone.com] and multi-lingual fart apps [windowsphoneapplist.com]. No, it would never do to suggest that a system like that had a more solid eco-system than Windows has on the mobile even though Windows has been there longer than Symbian.

        And I see you've been put to your place already by somebody anonymous with a hell of a life.

        Ahh yes; a person who posts for Nokia on Slashdot. A person who has sat there in the middle as his own country's main employer is destroyed to save it's American shareholder's investment in Microsoft. A person who has seen the company he works for ripped off; selling it's soul and still ending up displaced by a cheap Chinese clone maker. A person basically working to fuck his own countrymen by taking as much of their lifeblood as possible away from them and sending it to Redmond. That person is trying to intimidate anonymous posters on Slashdot by threatening to accuse them of having a "hell of a life". You think we will go off and commit suicide or something? Do you have a sense of irony?

        • by 21mhz (443080)

          We should never bring up that the Symbian Market Place alone had 80k apps.

          So like... 1/10th of the number of apps both iOS and Android accrued in shorter time, and already surpassed by WP 7.5?

          Face it, development for Symbian was pain and tears. Qt relieved it, but only to an extent. I was around when they were trying to design Qt Mobility APIs around both S60's existing APIs and various Nokia managers with requirement lists apparently thought up in bouts of Powerpoint creativity. It's good luck that most of that shit will die off because nobody in the right mind will want to impl

    • You can even run Android's Angry Birds on top now. It's been able to run WebOS games for ages.

      Someone ported Homeworld a month ago. Opera Software are still updating Opera Mini. Someone's written a RAW camera app from the ground up.

      In spite of Elop's attempt to [i]kill[/i] the platform, Maemo has the most committed developers I've ever seen.

  • Nokia no longer sell phones with their own OS. Why do they need to continue supporting developer programs for software they no longer support?
    • Re:Makes sense. (Score:5, Informative)

      by tuppe666 (904118) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:42PM (#41889691)

      Nokia no longer sell phones with their own OS. Why do they need to continue supporting developer programs for software they no longer support?

      ...because they need options, because right now, windows is the burning platform. Unfortunately the goal seems to be to continue throwing good money after bad.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        For now, Nokia is downsizing and cost cutting big time. Their credit has been rated to junk [reuters.com] and the company is in the red [nokia.com]. They're trying to minimize all costs while the transition to WP is underway to avoid borrowing any money and slowly burning through their cash reservers instead. So it aligns very well with the big picture to cut all programs that are not part of their core business right now.

        Should Windows Phone really fail, they can always buy out Jolla or some of the other startup companies by ex-Nok

  • by SuperKendall (25149) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:22PM (#41889529)

    The bet on WP8 is far from having failed. It suffered a major setback my Microsoft not allowing SP7 phones to upgrade to 8, but that was not a fatal blow...

    Over the next year Microsoft is going to push Windows 8 in all its incarnations. They are already making a strong push for developers to write apps, having a good stable of apps already and giving away a Nokia phone and Surface tablet to every Microsoft developer at the Build conference.

    To count Microsoft out is foolish, they have a lot of money and a lot of strategic connections in the phone world - and on top of that WP8 is actually a pretty well designed system that will attract developers of its own accord just by being pleasant to build for.

    • by tuppe666 (904118) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:39PM (#41889661)

      The bet on WP8 is far from having failed...To count Microsoft out is foolish, they have a lot of money and a lot of strategic connections in the phone world

      It is true WP8 has not failed, but then as yet it unproven technology, going against Android which has captured 75% of the market and Apple 14.9%. In fact all I am seeing is the same arguments from the same fans...and yes I do mean you, that I heard with WP7...and 7.5, and where are they now 2%. The sad part is the main reason for its failure is Microsoft not only doesn't have connections in the Phone world, it upset most of Nokia's.

      Its true Microsoft has lots of money, but lets face it so do Google and Apple and they also have market share, an established product, and a devoted following.

      • by TubeSteak (669689)

        It is true WP8 has not failed, but then as yet it unproven technology, going against Android which has captured 75% of the market and Apple 14.9%.

        Android may have 75% of the market, but Apple is making 71% of the profits.
        Yes, Apple's small market share is responsible for the majority of the industry's profits.
        Samsung is number two, with 37% of the industry's profits.
        HTC makes 1% of the profits.

        How do you end up with three companies making 109% of the profits? Because everyone else is losing money.
        Microsoft makes more in patent licensing fees from Android than Nokia/LG/Motorola/RIM/etc make from selling Android phones.

    • Over the next year Microsoft is going to push Windows 8 in all its incarnations.

      All? Will there be an Xbox 8, or will that have to wait for Windows 9?

      • by Myrv (305480)

        All? Will there be an Xbox 8, or will that have to wait for Windows 9?

        Well they did push out Xbox SmartGlass along side the Windows 8 launch. That along with all the recent dashboard updates pretty much gives you the "Windows 8 experience" on the Xbox. So yes, Xbox 8 is already here.

      • by gtall (79522)

        Ah, Windows 9 will feature...not tiles...but Pyramids!! You'll have 4 sides upon which to view the sacred artefacts. Each will call up a different aspect of the underlying app. And when you get bored, you'll be able to flip them to see their bottoms. This will reveal the inner guts to how the app connects to other apps. They will show little mechanical men moving levers, pushing buttons, etc.

        In Windows 10, the Pyramids will be shown to be landing platforms for a rather nasty race of Galactic Tyrants with an

    • The bet on WP8 might not have failed yet, but WP7 was an unmitigated disaster, that failed to convert most of the previous Nokia buyers. Even being given away in large quantities the lumias failed to attract more than a few Microsoft fans, and even some of those got upset with the way the platform got osborned with the announcement of WP8 and of the impossibility to update WP7 phones to it.

  • Can I buy Nokia's burning corpse already?

    • by tuppe666 (904118)

      Can I buy Nokia's burning corpse already?

      Not yet and Unless Elop to really really...but he has to really try Nokia has 3 valuable assets just not a mobile phone business anymore Patents; Nokia Siemens Networks and Navteq. Now what these are worth we will probably find out when someone does buy Nokias burning corpse...its interesting to see who it is, but it will be for Billions.

      • Course, six months to a year later, whoever buys it will have to write down the 'asset' value to a small fraction of what was paid...

    • by countach (534280)

      Sorry no, I don't have change for big bills.

  • Includes: "...One year of Windows Phone Developer Center membership. A $99 (USD) retail value..." It says here [nokia.com]

    So this makes Nokia a rip-off merchant how exactly? MSFT maybe but they're only charging the going rate [apple.com]

    • by tepples (727027)
      The going rate was Microsoft's idea in the first place, as $99 per year is what Microsoft has always charged for XNA Creators Club on Xbox 360.
  • by antifoidulus (807088) on Monday November 05, 2012 @10:00PM (#41889789) Homepage Journal
    FTS:
    which once was one of the mainstays of its domination of the smartphone market.

    No, just no. It's domination of the smartphone market was due to the fact that it made pretty good hardware and OK software at a time when nobody else could even manage one of the 2. However as others stepped up in both categories, Nokia was slow to react and that is what put it in it's current position.
  • Not to be harsh towards the submitter -- the more so though towards Nokia:
    This is a non-story!

    Nokia: get away already!

  • How do I get that?
  • Strange. I was just at the 2012 Build conference in Redmond (hey, it's a job) and Microsoft gave each attendee both a Windows 8 ARM tablet and a Nokia 920 developer phone to help get folks interested in developing for the platforms. You want apps? Carpet bomb the developers.... There were a number of sessions devoted to Windows Phone 8 development, and reading between the lines implied that the WP8 SDK is almost there, but not quite. Cross-platform development (desktop - tablet - phone) is not friction-fr
    • by quetwo (1203948) on Tuesday November 06, 2012 @09:53AM (#41893383) Homepage

      So, the phone got released last week, and they are only "close" to having the SDK available?

      So, that means for the first 6 months we will only have simple demo apps, and quick "fart" apps until everybody gets up to speed, and the big dev houses get their act together. I honestly don't see the platform inertia lasting that long. People who have phone who can't get the Pandora, and other tangential apps they are used to will drop it for the ones who do. By the time the big apps come, there won't be any users left.

  • by nurb432 (527695) on Tuesday November 06, 2012 @07:04AM (#41892037) Homepage Journal

    No community, no applicators, so no product interest.

    Even Microsoft understand this now, to an extent, tho 'full' VS is still far to expensive if you ask me. You should be giving tools away for nothing, to lock people into your products.

  • Hi Nokia has not suspended our free developer program, we ADDED to it: the Premium Developer Program (PDP) providing ~$1500 value for $99 (US). We have also been investing in other areas for Developers. I suggest checking out : http://www.developer.nokia.com/ [nokia.com] for more information. Ping us, if you have questions - Thanks, Richard @richardkerris

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