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NZBMatrix Closes Their Website 144

Posted by samzenpus
from the gone-for-good dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Hot on the heels of the closure of Newzbin2, this morning the usenet NZB indexing website NZBMatrix closed shop in the face of another DMCA notice. NZBMatrix allowed users to sift through messy usenet groups and quickly find data for download. NZBMatrix's API allowed automated polling from various clients, making it one of the more popular NZB sites. This is one of the last public NZB indexing sites, leaving mostly invite-only underground sites. A sad day for usenet users everywhere."
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NZBMatrix Closes Their Website

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  • by BenJeremy (181303) on Sunday December 09, 2012 @11:09AM (#42233507)

    You could always rely on a decent number of comments for popular releases to filter a good download form a bad one.

    Sad to see this one go, as I had relied on it more and more well before Newzbin closed its doors.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You could always rely on a decent number of comments for popular releases to filter a good download form a bad one.

      It's almost like there should be some sort of NET that people could USE to talk about things, sorta like a web forum, but not requiring the use of a web browser, and definitely not requiring a central point of failure like a web server. Servers could pass forum posts between each other via TCP over some unused port, like, say, port 119.

  • by Spritzer (950539) * on Sunday December 09, 2012 @11:09AM (#42233509) Journal
    How nice of them to accept premium payments up to the day they closed.
    • How nice of them to accept premium payments up to the day they closed.

      I joined 3 months ago, best $10 i ever spent!

      • $10- 3 years ago. Definitely the best. I wonder what this means for sickbeard and the like.

        • $10- 3 years ago. Definitely the best. I wonder what this means for sickbeard and the like.

          SB has its own indexer for episodes (SBIndex, it's in the config).
          As for "the like", however, if you can find a free/premium provider still around (look around on this thread, and you'll probably find a couple) that support the same arguments in their search as NZBmatrix does (there are a few), then you can get by with adding your own providers

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Google != Internet
    Nzbmatrix != Usenet.

  • *.binaries.* downloaders are a much smaller set than "Usenet users everywhere."

    • by BenJeremy (181303)

      Are you really sure about that?

      • by BitZtream (692029)

        Yes, its not even a little bit hard to confirm, you just open a client, list groups that have new messages 'today'.

        Once most people grow up, they just buy software rather than warez it.

        • by 1u3hr (530656)

          you just open a client, list groups that have new messages 'today'.

          And find 90% of them are spam selling sport shoes or fake watches, or Bollywood porn.

          Thanks to Google Groups, spam has swamped just about every text newsgroup. I was an avid news junkie for more than 10 years, but have barely looked in in the last five. It's so sad to check on what used to be an active community and find a few forlorn posts in a sea of spam.

    • I people won't believe this, but I used to get usenet to read the articles.
  • In the ongoing battle between artificial monopolies against free sharing all centralized single point of failures are under attack. Now they attack usenet by attacking the search engines. Decentralized systems with also decentralized search technology are the future - try shutting down something like the eMule KAD network. Combined with tools like PeerBlock to keep the spyfirms out this is still pretty secure.
    • by BitZtream (692029)

      There are no 'decentralized' systems on the Internet. Not even newsgroups, which are about as close as you can get.

      Just because you apply the word decentralized to something you don't understand, doesn't make it true.

      • by cultiv8 (1660093)
        The Tor2Web [tor2web.org] project is pursuing just this. See the .onion nym system proposal [torproject.org] specifically, one of the more exciting projects towards anonymity and decentralization on the internet (short of a decentralized dns system, but I digress).
      • by johanw (1001493)
        eMule is close enough. Each node is equivalent to another, and searches are done through the nodes, so there is no single website to block. Further, the software is open source so going after the maintainers (like they did with Limewire and edonkey) won't work too.
      • I was starting to talk about Overnet/eDonkey, but it appears that it has been taken down by RIAA. Apparently it wasn't truly decentralized.
        • by johanw (1001493)
          eDonkey had a single point of failure: the software was closed-source and maintained by a company that could be sued to bancrupcy. eMule, that was developed als an open eDonkey client, does not suffer from that problem. It is open source and several forks are in widespread use.
    • Or host a TOR NZB site...
    • by Mascot (120795) on Sunday December 09, 2012 @01:01PM (#42234189)

      They're going after the Usenet providers as well, via automated DMCA takedown requests. The providers have no choice but to comply (and to keep up, also automating the process), which means content is effectively gone within hours of being uploaded.

      The irony when it comes to TV shows/movies is the same as it used to be with the music industry: the stuff being downloaded is largely not available to buy online legally. I wish they would put their efforts into making this content available for purchase instead of wasting their time trying to stem the flood of copyright infringement.

      • by johanw (1001493)
        The providers have one very big choice: move to a country with more freedom than the US, like Ukraine. Especially countries that are pissed off by the US and are more than happy to return the favor.
  • I am not sad (Score:1, Insightful)

    by houghi (78078)

    Binaries killed Usenet. Because of these binaries, many providers stopped, because it was taking up too much space and bandwidth.
    Because they stopped, many people stopped using the real discussion groups.

    So instead of having one place where I can get to ask questions in one place in an easy way, I have to go to multiple websites that all have a lousy way of interfacing with other people.

    The websites do the filtering, where with Usenet I am able to do it myself. OK, binaries are not the only ones to help kil

    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      by DerekLyons (302214)

      Binaries killed Usenet. Because of these binaries, many providers stopped, because it was taking up too much space and bandwidth.
      Because they stopped, many people stopped using the real discussion groups.

      So instead of having one place where I can get to ask questions in one place in an easy way, I have to go to multiple websites that all have a lousy way of interfacing with other people.

      This.

      The loss of NZBmatrix and it's bastard ilk are no loss for actual Usenet users - only for those (mis)using it to shar

    • Re:I am not sad (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 09, 2012 @01:38PM (#42234443)

      How is this moderated up so high. No provider was forced to shudder their doors because of the huge size of the binaries groups. Just dont carry the group. Usenet discussion died because of spam and web forums.

      • Re:I am not sad (Score:5, Informative)

        by StormyWeather (543593) on Sunday December 09, 2012 @02:00PM (#42234665) Homepage

        This comment is factually correct, although it's modded down because it is contrary to someones worldview, that's often the case with Slashdot negative moderation. I used to run a NNTP server for a small ISP in 1994. I just filtered out the worst offending binary groups when the cost became prohibitive. I ran an NNTP server on a 486 with a couple scsi drives just fine with just the text groups. I can't imagine it being a "huge cost" to any ISP without the binaries.

      • by quenda (644621)

        Usenet died when it was opened to the great unwashed masses. AOL was the start.
        The golden age of usenet was only possible because it was largely restricted to intelligent educated grown-ups. Or at least college students who were a minority enough that they soon got pulled into line with netiquette. That was the day with everyone used their real names, and many had their phone number in the .signature footer.

    • Binaries never killed usenet. It only forced some providers to go text only (there are many and pretty much all are free, google them). Email and groups (yahoo groups, gmail groups and other newsletter service) is what really killed usenet.

    • What about the ability to handle spam?

      Spam was a problem for usenet in the early 90s (when I left). Can't imagine what it's like now.

      • by johanw (1001493)
        Spam is on the groups I am on not much of a problem anymore: the marketeers seems to have forgotten the textgroups on usenet. Sometimes I do have problems with other kinds of spam, like the sci.physics.* groups being overrun by crackpots, but for that there are moderated groups like sci.physics.research.
      • That's why you have an indexing service like nzbmatrix and nzb files. You never actually usenet itself.

    • Re:I am not sad (Score:5, Informative)

      by water-and-sewer (612923) on Sunday December 09, 2012 @04:25PM (#42235899) Homepage

      The text groups are not dead; not by a long shot, and for some topics they're still a great first place to look (Perl questions or Lisp for example).

      Go to aioe.net (org?) for a free text group provider. Albasani is another, although the owner, Alexander Bartolich sadly passed away suddenly earlier this year so it's not clear how much longer that site will be around. EndlessSeptember - or something like that - is also providing free text groups.

      And the forum at www.dictatorshandbook.net is technically a news server. Connect to it with a news client (Unison, SLRN, Knode, TIN, Pine, Thunderbird) to give it a try and remember how much awesomer NNTP threads are relative to web forums or -- gack -- AJAXy Facebook-type stuff.

      • by antdude (79039)

        Any free fast binary usenet services? [grin]

        • Any free fast binary usenet services? [grin]

          Yup! But you can only access it from the restaurant down the block that offers free lunch. You know the one, right? Across the street from the unicorn zoo?

      • how much awesomer NNTP threads are relative to web forums or -- gack -- AJAXy Slashdot-type stuff.

        FTFY

  • They say once they're done with this latest DMCA notice they'll be left with "an impossible task of policing our indexing bots." I'm not aware of any law requiring content to be filtered as it arrives, so why would they have to police their indexing bots?

  • by StormyWeather (543593) on Sunday December 09, 2012 @01:56PM (#42234615) Homepage

    Binsearch.info is coming back with relevant results still, that's what I've always used, and it does an acceptable job.

    • by antdude (79039)

      But how long will it last? It won't last forever. What other good ones are there like it?

      • I think it will last. Binsearch doesn't categorize on pirated goods. It just provides a string search function. I never subscribed to nzbmatrix but I think they provided graphics to show what movies people were getting, and stuff like that, and categorized based upon pirate goods. Binsearch does no categorization that I know of.

  • by spagthorpe (111133) on Sunday December 09, 2012 @02:04PM (#42234699)

    Too many people violated the first rule of USENET.

  • It's not like NNTP is the best way to download stuff anyway.
    Bittorrent, HTTP and IRC/DCC all have their advantages, and they're alive and well.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I went from reading this this morning to running my own newznab in 4 hours.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Greedy MPAA and cable giants making more than there share strike again.
    It's not like people that were downloading episodes of TV shows are suddenly going to buy the $50 season on blu-ray or ay $150 a month for overpriced cable TV..
    At least I hope not. They will either do without, or get Netflix... Until greedy ISP's start charging you by the megabyte kills off the Netflix, Hulu, AOD, etc.. option.

  • nzbs.su invites? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by plazman30 (531348) on Monday December 10, 2012 @10:14AM (#42241749) Homepage
    Alright. Who has nzbs.us invites to hand out?
    • by Anonymous Coward

      There is no site like that. Don't google it or try to find it. Just go back to eMule or whatever you use. Newsgroups are dead, as are all NZB sites. Tell your friends.

  • Yes, really very pity for these 2, cause the sites were amazing. binsearch is stil available and also for good nzb search [nzbfriends.com] nzbfriends

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