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New submitter NettiWelho writes with even more bad news for Microsoft. From the article: "Windows 8 uptake has slipped behind Vista's at the same point after its release. Windows 8 online usage share is around 1.6% of all Windows PCs, which is less than the 2.2% share that Windows Vista commanded at the same two-month mark after release. Net Applications monitors operating system usage by recording OS version for around 40,000 sites it monitors for clients. The slowdown for Windows 8 adoption is a bad sign for Microsoft, who experienced great success with the release of Windows 7. Data was measured up to the 22nd of December, so there is still time by the end of the month for Windows 8 to claim a higher percentage of the user base."
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Windows 8 Even Less Popular Than Vista

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  • by Kazymyr (190114) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:06AM (#42439733) Journal
    Misses a "<"
  • by sethstorm (512897) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:06AM (#42439735) Homepage

    It's not like they've not tried [wikipedia.org] to clean the image of Microsoft when Vista was poorly received.

    • What is funny is these PR firms are apparently lazy as hell as I've noticed when someone will post a criticism of Win 8 a hell of a lot of the time the "its great!" Win 8 response you'll get back you can drop a line of in Google and they've posted the same reply word for word across dozens of sites, its like the fricking Nigerian prince emails. I don't know which is funnier, the shill copypasta or the "Oh that is not a problem, all you have to do is (big pile of keyboard crap)" which of course i just HAVE to reply with "So THIS is innovation? We need cheat sheets for our OSes again like its 1985?"

      I have never seen a company in all my years just up and completely destroy themselves like this, damnedest thing I've ever seen. For those that think Win 8 is just the "Star Trek Rule" in action you might want to look up the "Windows Blue" memo, in it Ballmer lays out what he is doing in 2013 to "save Microsoft"...ready? He is gonna fuck the hell out of the OEMs and pretty much kill Nokia so that MSFT can make phones (just like Apple) tablets (ditto) desktops (notice a pattern?) and laptops (Ray Charles could see through this) and all of which will be priced HIGHER than anything Apple is offering, because dammit high prices MUST mean its good, after all people buy Apple right?

      So congrats MSFT haters, you are gonna get to see the company completely self destruct as the PHB in charge torpedoes everything that Gates spent 20+ years building because he is too damned stupid to realize you can't slap a coat of paint on a Pinto and have it compete with Porsche. It took Apple decades to build its rep as a high end brand, Ballmer thinks all he has to do is triple the pricetag on everything and voila! Suddenly Windows is hip and trendy...NOT!

      If the board doesn't stop smoking crack and fire this moron I predict in 3 years Apple will own the top, Google will own the bottom, and MSFT will be RIM, with nothing left but legacy business installs and even those will be looking at exit strategies. The truly sad part of it all is the day of the DIY desktop will end, you'll buy a black box Android or Apple and that will be that, unless you have workstation money it'll all be black box like the ChromeBooks.

      • by Crosshair84 (2598247) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:00PM (#42443985)
        I can't find it anymore,but I had to laugh when there was a poll awhile ago that said 50% of people who tried windows 8 liked it. Just looking at the sales numbers told you that as BS. When reality and your poll numbers don't match, chances are reality is correct.

        I just don't see everything going black box though, there is just too much need for a general purpose OS. If anything, someone will come out with a BSD variant or something. As long as the OS UI is as good as Windows 98 or better that will be good enough for businesses. (It better be a lot more stable of course.)

        I simply can't see Balmer lasting much longer. They have the code to put a Windows 7 style interface in 8, they just stripped it out. All it would take is a service pack to put that back in there. They'll slap a new name on it though, like Windows 8 second edition or something, perhaps give it the windows 9 label. The board is probably making plans to get rid of him, they just need to find a replacement and give Balmer a little more rope to hang himself with. They are probably trying to figure out how Gates is going to react to Balmer getting the boot.
        • by Tridus (79566)

          Maybe it's not BS. 50% of your users not liking your product is a pretty bad number.

      • You mentioned hip and trendy. I've noticed that Microsoft is still trying to be cool. Watching their commercials and ads and comparing them against Apple, Android and even google's chrome. Microsoft seems to really, desparately want to be 'cool', but their definition of cool is the one that teenagers and early-20 year old men have. Maybe the XBOX division has a lot of influence in the company. Apple and Android commercials, at least the ones I see, are useful things you can do with their devices, a

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:09AM (#42439747)

    It's resting.

    • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TemperedAlchemist (2045966) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:30AM (#42439857)

      I imagine Microsoft may just release a patch that fixes everything into a "classic" view to gain more sales.

      • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by jhoegl (638955) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:19AM (#42440069)
        If they do, I will quickly look into Windows 8 for deployment at my job.
        As it stands now, I wouldnt deploy it because it would cause too many headaches for tech support, teaching people how to use the Operating system.
        • Re:It's not dead. (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Runaway1956 (1322357) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:41AM (#42440175) Homepage Journal

          Retraining on Linux Mint with Mate desktop might be easier. I say "might" - I'm not real sure if all Windows users are retrainable.

      • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:36AM (#42440153) Journal

        I imagine Microsoft may just release a patch that fixes everything into a "classic" view to gain more sales.

        What amazes me is that(at least at time of writing) they don't even offer a group policy setting that lets their whiny corporate customers set all their definitely-not-touchscreen boring typingboxes to go directly to desktop by default.

        It isn't terribly tricky to script an invocation of "explorer.exe shell:::{3080F90D-D7AD-11D9-BD98-0000947B0257}" on login; but the fact that they don't just offer a GPO setting to switch strongly suggests that somebody at Microsoft is hitting the kool-aide far harder than is advisable.

        I just don't understand it. With Vista, the mystery was how they'd managed to get so little done in 6-odd years of development, the core product just kind of sucked. With Win8, they essentially have the (generally well-liked) base of Win7, with a bunch of modest improvements in various areas, and then Metro. All they'd have to do is make it optional(or get really crazy and have it default on or off depending on whether the device has a touchscreen or not...) and everybody would stop whining more or less immediately. It's just sort of baffling.

        • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Insightful)

          by whoever57 (658626) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @06:39AM (#42440359) Journal

          It isn't terribly tricky to script an invocation of "explorer.exe shell:::{3080F90D-D7AD-11D9-BD98-0000947B0257}" on login; but the fact that they don't just offer a GPO setting to switch strongly suggests that somebody at Microsoft is hitting the kool-aide far harder than is advisable.

          At they highest levels of Microsoft, they are convinced that providing the same "user experience" to mobile users as desktop users will be Microsoft's salvation. Somehow they think that this will force adoption of mobile devices running Windows (they think that users will demand Microsoft mobile devices because they look the same as PCs). That's why they don't want to allow people to make PCs easy to configure such that they are different to mobile devices.

          • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @07:37AM (#42440541)

            Correct. The only way they think they can possibly win the smartphone/tablet markets now, is to leverage their Windows PC monopoly. The only way they can do that is to make the Windows PC look like the Windows smartphone/tablet, force people to get used to it, and then hope that will translate to a preference for Windows on the portable devices.

            It's actually not a completely misguided strategy.

            Well, it is misguided in that Microsoft should actually try to win markets by making better products. But they have never been good at that. Their entire success is based on leveraging their Windows PC monopoly, so this strategy is "do what works".

            With any luck, all this will do is start the ball slowly rolling (if it isn't already) on the eventual decline of the PC stranglehold. People have predicted this many times before, but things are a bit different. Smartphones and tablets with iOS and Android are now a huge market and huge user base. OSX on the desktop is actually reaching a noticeable size. And Microsoft is doing their best to alienate ISVs who are increasingly looking to these other platforms (and even Linux-on-PC) to escape.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by Alomex (148003)

              Well, it is misguided in that Microsoft should actually try to win markets by making better products. But they have never been good at that. Their entire success is based on leveraging their Windows PC monopoly, so this strategy is "do what works".

              Actually they kind of did for a while or at least they tried, until Dr. Dos came out and beat the crap out of MS-DOS. Microsoft execs gave the go ahead to include the "disable-if-Dr-Dos" codes and the troops got the message loud and clear: we don't need to make qu

          • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Insightful)

            by PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @07:40AM (#42440553)

            Gates said, that he "wanted to own the desktop." And he ended up doing it.

            With Metro, Ballmer is saying that he wants to "own the user interface of everything." Traditional PCs, and also tablets, and phones. Since they already "own the desktop", they are starting their offensive there. And what other choice will an average user have, who buys a new PC? It will come with Windows 8, and Metro. If Microsoft can win the user interface war there, they hope tablets and phones will follow. A nice strategy for them, it sucks for us, getting stuck with a Metro that nobody really wants.

            I personally believe that they are too late. Folks are hooked and happy with their Android and Apple gadgets, and won't switch over to Microsoft gadgets, just to have a common interface.

            In fact, the whole thing could backfire for Microsoft. If the new user experience with Metro on PCs is negative, folks will definitely NOT want it on their gadgets.

            • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Informative)

              by gbjbaanb (229885) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @08:27AM (#42440693)

              it quite probably will, people buy a Windows 8 tablet and then find they cannot run Windows apps on it (as they bought the ARM version, 99% of consumers won't know the difference beyond the price, battery life, and the considerable weight of the Pro version).

              BBC Click did a review of Win8 [youtube.com], and you can expect them to be as impartial as you're going to get - certainly compared to the other reviews on sites that also have "sponsored by Microsoft" articles. They weren't too complimentary whilst still being polite (its at the start of the programme, first 7 minutes).

              They also did a review of Surface [youtube.com] - they did not like it, basically. (14 minutes in, 4 minutes long, just past the nice bit with the raspberry pi and Mike Powell at 9:30). they really showed how useless the keyboard is too - see 15:20 in for the demo....

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by redwraith94 (1311731)
              I am pretty sure it will. The arrogant folks of at M$ seem to not realize that they got to their position by giving the market enough of what it wanted for them to be worth any hassles. They are leveraging people too hard, and it does drive people away. What they should be doing is trying to slow the flow of R&D dollars to anything Android or IOS based as quickly, and effectively as possible (by pleasing the hell out of their current customer base), because when the ARM architecture catches up close eno
        • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Interesting)

          by serviscope_minor (664417) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @07:52AM (#42440579) Journal

          It isn't terribly tricky to script an invocation of "explorer.exe shell:::{3080F90D-D7AD-11D9-BD98-0000947B0257}" on login;

          And this is why Linux will always fail on the desktop. While users have to type shit like that it will never be adopted to the masses and Windows will continue to... oh never mind.

          I have actually now tried Windows 8: after my mother in law's computer broke I helped set up the new one.

          Seemed a bit meh, to be honest. A bit of a random mishmash of two unrelated GUI concepts. Also she decided to remove most of the animated tiles because they're generally pointless (something I happen to agree on). We were both a bit baffled that some of them uninstall cleanly because they're "apps" and some take you to an apparently unrelated place in the new equivalent of add/remove programs because they're "programs" not "apps". It really feels like two operating systems which only barely work together.

          A lot of weird stuff too, like having to find magic corners/edges that do things. It was kind of OK after a lot of random clicking around.

          They also seem to have tried to implement a slightly confusing and rather ruimentary window management scheme of some sort for tiling or virtual desktops or something. It feels very primitive. I think I'll stick to fvwm.

          • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Interesting)

            by jones_supa (887896) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @08:44AM (#42440757)

            Seemed a bit meh, to be honest. A bit of a random mishmash of two unrelated GUI concepts.

            I was surprised that MS didn't convert the Windows Accessories (Notepad, Calculator, etc.) to Modern apps. And then the old Control Panel was left there, but some settings are still managed through the Modern UI. As the icing of the cake, the whole new UI is just butt-ugly. These kind of glaring issues leave quite a half-baked taste of Windows 8. It feels like they slapped on the Modern UI there, but weren't confident enough to polish the experience throughly.

          • by Joe_Dragon (2206452) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @01:09PM (#42442275)

            why can't metro apps run in a window on windows? and why can't have the desktop or metro UI in the window as well?

            Windows 3.1 did not have a start menu but at least apps where not all full screen.

        • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Interesting)

          by RDW (41497) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @07:54AM (#42440583)

          Astonishing isn't it? They've taken an excellent product (by MS standards) and done their best to bury it under a silly hybrid UI setup. Take 10 minutes to install Classic Shell, configure it to boot straight to the desktop (start menu enabled, hot corners disabled), re-register the file types that have been hijacked by Metro apps, and you have arguably the best conventional version of Windows to date - fast booting, integrated antivirus, upgraded task manager, ISO mounting, and a nice clean theme, etc.

          Basically all the bad press could have been avoided if they'd made Metro and the start menu globally optional without third party solutions. IT departments (even if they get past the reviews) will take one look at the default configuration and its unpredictable switches between desktop and Metro, think support calls, and file the whole thing as 'Do Not Want'. That MS are already making noises about Windows Blue for 2013 suggests they've realised there's little chance of widespread corporate adoption for Windows 8.

          • Re:It's not dead (Score:4, Interesting)

            by Gim Tom (716904) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @10:42AM (#42441281)
            Last week I got my first look at Windows 8 when trying to set up my 72 year old cousin's new PC that came with it installed. We got it up, but having never looked at it nor even considered getting it I couldn't tell her the first thing about using it. If there had been some EASY and OBVIOUS way to get rid of the METRO interface and go back to a Classic Shell she might have been happy with it, but after an hour of trying to do anything useful she wanted it boxed up and she has already returned it for a refund.

            I have never really been that fond of Windows since I started working with Unix and Linux back in the late 1990's but this time I think Microsoft has played a game of Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic pistol.
            • Re:It's not dead (Score:5, Insightful)

              by RDW (41497) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @12:32PM (#42442059)

              If there had been some EASY and OBVIOUS way to get rid of the METRO interface and go back to a Classic Shell she might have been happy with it, but after an hour of trying to do anything useful she wanted it boxed up and she has already returned it for a refund.

              The Classic Shell I use is a third party addon:

              http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

              It's a useful project that has been adding back features removed by MS from Vista onwards. Their start menu actually pre-dates Win 8 - it's more configurable than the standard Win 7 menu.

              Of course, it's crazy that downloading something like this is even necessary!

          • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Simulant (528590) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @10:47AM (#42441301) Journal
            What you say is true but even when we avoid the annoyances that Metro brings, the improvements in Windows 8 STILL aren't worth the cost and hassle of upgrading. Those of us who care about the truly useful improvements in Windows 8 have had access to free and decent workarounds for years. All-in-all, they are pretty minor improvements. I can find no must-have, killer feature in Windows 8.

            Windows 8, minus Metro, would have made a great service pack though.
          • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Nerdfest (867930) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @11:25AM (#42441553)

            I think people are missing the point of the 'Metro' interface. It's not about the interface ... that's just the excuse. They want to lock down the software market and get a cut of all the sales, plus more control over what's installed. Metro will stay. The older interface will become less and less useful ... more and more crippled. They want what Apple has with iOS. Even Apple wants what they have with iOS and is doing the same thing with OS X.

        • by mvdwege (243851) <mvdwege@mail.com> on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @08:02AM (#42440613) Homepage Journal

          It isn't terribly tricky to script an invocation of "explorer.exe shell:::{3080F90D-D7AD-11D9-BD98-0000947B0257}" on login;

          And ever since 2001 people have been telling me that that Linux thing would never catch on because it relied on too many arcane command invocations...

        • by Cherveny (647444)
          Try http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] Makes a Windows 7 like start menu as the default start, rather than the hideous mess that is the Windows 8 start screen. Still easy to make it to metro start screen via charms. Can even configure it to be Win XP style instead, to be available in desktop mode but still start in metro view, and a number of other handy customizations.
        • by Gothmolly (148874) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @12:56PM (#42442187)

          It isn't terribly tricky to script an invocation of "explorer.exe shell:::{3080F90D-D7AD-11D9-BD98-0000947B0257}" on login;

          And Windows people claim Linux is "hard" because of its command line and .conf files?

      • Re:It's not dead. (Score:4, Informative)

        by deniable (76198) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @06:59AM (#42440435)
        Just like they did for the Office ribbon? Microsoft rarely goes back. They'll tone it down, modify it or move on to something else.
      • Re:It's not dead. (Score:5, Informative)

        by thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) <[moc.liamg] [ta] [esidarap.cram]> on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @08:26AM (#42440689) Homepage Journal

        I imagine Microsoft may just release a patch that fixes everything into a "classic" view to gain more sales.

        Indeed. Every day I spend with Win 8, I dislike it more. Tried to add a network printer, but it was not auto-detected in the new metro interface. However when I went the old route in the control panel to add a new printer, it was auto-detected immediately.

        When such basic functionality is not working in the new interface (which one would assume is actually backed by the same underlying OS components), there's a real problem. This is aside from the unpleasantness of the interface itself, at least when using non-touch or wanting to actually multitask.

        The only things going for it so far are the improvements to file transfer and the task manager program.

      • New Coke. Need I say more.

    • by tooyoung (853621) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:44AM (#42439921)
      In his house at Redmond dead Microsoft waits dreaming.
  • Incredible (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:09AM (#42439753)

    I didn't think it was possible to make something worse than Vista, but Microsoft did it. They really are out of touch with consumers by trying to ram this crappy UI down their throats. Looks like there's a lot of resistance. 2012 wasn't a very good year for Microsoft. 2013 should be even worse.

    • by symbolset (646467) *
      Dynamically switching the end user between two different GUIs by default is an interesting design choice. Certainly not one I would have made. Allowing an advanced user to switch his GUIs on the fly, that's one thing...
    • Re:Incredible (Score:5, Interesting)

      by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @08:19AM (#42440661)

      I think it's deliberate. MS knows the interface sucks, and are trying to ram it down, because even though users hate it doing to can advance Microsoft's long-term goals. They are accepting a bit of user hate in the desktop OS area (Where their position is almost unassailable) in order to promote their products in the new mobile arena, where they need every advantage they can get right now.

  • by CodeheadUK (2717911) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:10AM (#42439757) Homepage

    People clung on to XP because Vista was crap, then dived on Win7 and declared it to be the best thing ever. Those same folks aren't going to give up 7 until the hardware support starts to die off, at which point Windows 9 will appear and the cycle will start again.

    Assuming Microsoft are still around to make Win9 and we haven't all had to make the choice between OSX or Linux

    • by wvmarle (1070040) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @10:38AM (#42441255)

      Don't worry they will be around. They have so much cash on hand, they can probably survive for years without much income. And face it, while Win8 may not sell well, that must mean Win7 is still selling, as the computer market as a whole has not collapsed. And pretty much every single computer sold comes with a copy of Windows.

  • Windows 8 blows (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:10AM (#42439759)

    I use windows 7. Why would i buy or even steal windows 8. What do i get? A crappy use interface? I like my start menu thing. I dont need this tile crap.

  • by ArcadeNut (85398) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:12AM (#42439771) Homepage

    1. The default UI was Metro.
    2. They took my start button away.
    3. Multi Monitor support was changed (Task bar now goes across all monitors).

    While not major, it's still very annoying.

    I know you can get utilities/hacks, etc... to fix this, but I shouldn't have to. At the minimum, they should have given options to turn them back on, even if they were off by default. So now they are trying to force their way of doing things on me.

    Maybe they'll do better with Windows 9...but for now Windows 7 for me.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I have been using Win8 exclusively at work for almost 4 months now.

      1. I thought this was a problem for a while but you stop noticing it after a while. Actually, I thought that I would not ever use any Metro apps but I now find that I keep the Metro messaging app docked to the side of one of my 4 screens. Very handy since it can't be overlaid by other apps no matter what happens and never occludes my desktop apps either. Win!

      2. Start is still there, just think of the Metro UI as a giant animated start menu.

    • by sdnoob (917382) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:52AM (#42439943)

      the metro-first push is the deal-breaker for me... along with everything that's being used to force metro, microsoft's app store and microsoft accounts on people..

      they even went so far as to FORCE PEOPLE TO SIGN UP FOR AN APP STORE ACCOUNT (microsoft), which includes providing personal information, JUST TO DOWNLOAD THE FUCKING GAMES (which are metro now, btw) that have always been a part of windows previously... and that most people play at least a little (i know some that basically use their computers just for spider or free cell and nothing else)

      the big winner for windows 8 is that fucking nuisance, wild tangent, which has distribution deals with all the large pc makers... their trials and drm/game engine are now the only games that are preinstalled on the majority of windows 8 computers sold at retail.... the average /. reader will know how and where to get games from other sources, but the masses aren't that bright.. they'll see the preloaded trials and think "that's just how it is now" and buy from those scumbags.. not even realizing there are alternatives.

    • Wait. So if they just left it just like Win7 you would have upgraded? Why?

    • 3. Multi Monitor support was changed (Task bar now goes across all monitors).

      I agree with your first 2 points, but most people would consider #3 a feature. It's also optional: http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/image205.png [howtogeek.com].

  • by sdnoob (917382) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:13AM (#42439775)

    *WE* saw it.... microsoft, of course, did not. history continues -- every other release of windows sucks hairy donkey balls.

    • Win95 and 98 were both quite ok and in succession.
      • by sdnoob (917382)

        treat 98se as being separate from 98... so you have 95 good, 98 not so much, 98se good.... me.... well, you know.

      • by MightyMartian (840721) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:06AM (#42440007) Journal

        WTF? Windows 95 was an unstable pile of shit, bits of Windows for Workgroups glued on to a terrible Win32 implementation. It was a rickety disaster released at least a year too soon out of fear that OS/2 Warp might gain enough adoption to fuck up the precious OEM model necessary to Redmond's survival.

        Even Windows 98 was semi dubious until SE2, and modules like Winsock were rewritten so they didn't barf with obscene regularity.

        • by adolf (21054)

          As a somewhat-devout Linux protagonist and former OS/2 user, I've just got to say this:

          Microsoft has released just two good consumer-oriented GUI operating systems, ever: XP and 7. (2000 doesn't count, having never been sold to that market.)

          The rest of it? I have used it all, and it was variously garbage.

          YMMV.

  • by prasadsurve (665770) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @04:16AM (#42439787)
    Most of the consumers are preferring to buy Tablets over PC so I guess the numbers of new Windows 8 PC are bound to be down as well. The fact that Windows 8 is horrible is probably just icing on the cake.
  • However, Microsoft is now perfectly positioned to corner the market on firing CEOs, designers, and project managers. They could outdo any other company 10:1 if they just find whoever was responsible for these atrocities and get rid of them
  • Anecdote alert (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    I was at my parents' house for Christmas this year and their computer died. During the ensuing "build me a new one" phase they had one opinion they refused to budge on: no Windows 8. And they know precisely nothing about computers.

    On the upshot, you can now build a surprisingly good PC for under 300 bucks without having to pay the Windows tax -- but you can also get a computer almost as good if not better because of the Windows subsidy.

  • cornered animal (Score:5, Insightful)

    by caywen (942955) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:05AM (#42439997)

    They worked their assed off, but made some really bad decisions. Now, sales are looking like a disaster - in their core revenue generator. Microsoft is beginning to feel like a cornered animal. It does still have claws, and hopefully the board will understand just how badly steveb has executed, once it sees the bottom starting to fall out. 2013 will be an entertaining year seeing how Microsoft scrambles. I'd start with a tutorial that wasn't a 2 hour hack job.

  • Steve Balmer (Score:5, Insightful)

    by asmkm22 (1902712) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:11AM (#42440037)

    The CEO needs to be let go. It should have happened a long time ago, but I can't see them letting him off the hook yet again. He has literally done nothing positive for the company since he took over.

  • by Brett Buck (811747) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:19AM (#42440067)

    Does it run on my Kin?

  • by BrookHarty (9119) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:31AM (#42440139) Homepage Journal

    User interface guidelines. Android is finally realizing they needed interface guidelines. Apple has done great in both OSX and IOS. But Gnome team and Microsoft seems to be ignoring every standard and going gooey eyed over tablets.

    My tablet is not my work computer, not my game system, and not my media box. Its my portable content reader.

    Listen to your users.

  • by Kjella (173770) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @05:48AM (#42440201) Homepage

    People have gone tablet crazy, they estimate that here in Norway around 100,000 tablets have been sold this year for Christmas in a country to 5 million. That's 1 in 50 getting a tablet for Christmas. Not sure how many actually hate it, but Win8 was certainly met with a giant yawn in the market. Must be frustrating for MS to see that nobody wants Microsoft phones and tablets. Apple and Google on the other hand must be making a very, very good year...

  • Not surprising... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by dropadrop (1057046) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @06:41AM (#42440371)
    I'd love to get to see the meetings where the desktop architecture decisions where made!

    I bought a win 8 license since support for xp is ending, there was a decent offer and I felt I should still have a Windows virtual (despite needing it less and less).

    Before buying I tried to ensure it supports a clean install and was told it does (upgrade license). The upgrade tool was supposed to offer image creation but that was missing. I was told running the tool after upgrading would let me create it and it did, but that seems a vit backwards?

    So I upgraded, created the image, did a clean install... Only the license key was not accepted. Called MS, spent 30 minutes in queue, 15 waiting for the agent to find out what a virtual machine is and if it's supported and then got a working key. A bit later I had to activate, and went through the whole process again. I was also told any future install would ve the same.

    All this before even getting to use the mess of an operating system that it is. I can't say I got a good taste in my mouth of purchasing the license (why does a paying customer have to have a bad conciousness?), or felt windows had become more friendly (quite the opposite). Hopefully this is the last windows I get, and I expect it is 'cause I feel really bad every time I start it up.

  • by Lawrence_Bird (67278) on Tuesday January 01, 2013 @02:46PM (#42443113) Homepage
    1. The eekonomy sucks worse today than when Vista was released. 2. Equipment lifetimes are greater 3. Unlike Win 3.1 or Win 95, there are far fewer perceived needs to upgrade the OS independent of a complete hardware replacement. In some cases (older hardware w/ XP) nothing short of replacement allows win 8 use. Lets put this in some perspective too.. outside of the Uber fanboys, how long does it take to get people to upgrade to the latest of Suse/Debian/Fedora /*BSD? In most cases, things now work well enough that there really is not much reason to go through the hassles of a complete upgrade unless you are starting over from scratch.

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