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'This Is Your Second and Final Notice' Robocallers Revealed 235

Posted by Soulskill
from the hello-sir-madam dept.
nbauman writes "A New York Times consumer columnist tracked down the people who run a 'This is your second and final notice" robocall operation. The calls came from Account Management Assistance, which promises to negotiate lower credit card rates with banks. One woman paid them $1,000, and all they did was give her a limited-time zero-percent credit card that she could have gotten herself. AMA has a post office box in Orlando, Florida. The Better Business Bureau has a page for Your Financial Ladder, which does business as Account Management Assistance, and as Economic Progress. According to a Florida incorporation filing, Economic Progress is operated by Brenda Helfenstine, with her husband Tony. The Arkansas attorney general has sued Your Financial Ladder for violating the Telemarketing Consumer Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act. The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services investigated Your Financial Ladder, but the investigator went to 1760 Sundance Drive, St. Cloud, which turned out to be a residence, and gave up. The Times notes that you can type their phone number (855-462-3833) into http://800notes.com/ and get lots of reports on them."
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'This Is Your Second and Final Notice' Robocallers Revealed

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 24, 2013 @04:48PM (#42997147)
    Oh come on, man, you wouldn't have anything on your conscious if you left them to die in the everglades? I mean, think of the poor alligators that would have to eat their rotten fucking flesh.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 24, 2013 @04:48PM (#42997151)

    Well, you've got their address.

    Now would be a fantastic time to pay them a visit.

    You know what we do to spammers.

  • Shameful (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 24, 2013 @04:58PM (#42997241)

    It looks as though things in the US are the same as over here in little Britain: it's absolutely impossible to defraud people unless you provide a fake name and address.

    Wouldn't it be nice if at least one of the two countries could manage to pay somebody a living wage to actually check company registrations before they're allowed to trade at all, and at reasonably frequent but irregular intervals afterwards? Maybe between the two we could manage it? I think we've got about sixpence available from the taxpayer, how about you guys?

    All too much to hope for, I suppose. What fuckups we are.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 24, 2013 @05:24PM (#42997399)
    Yeah, because repeated aggravated rape is so a synonym for justice. I imagine that Browning fellow you're so fond of would do something more merciful, like shooting them.
  • In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship.

    In a perfect world, pervasive rape in jail will not be subject of gleeful jokes (it'd be funny if it weren't a common issue). I would like to see spammers go to jail too, but not like this.

    Even better, maybe we can fine spammers for "whatever the made + X%" and ban them from using computers for a while. This way they can work off their debt to society with some manual labor - outside of jail would be fine too.

  • Supply-side fraud (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PopeRatzo (965947) on Sunday February 24, 2013 @05:47PM (#42997567) Homepage Journal

    All you dirty hippies who are calling for the heads of these "Second and Final Notice" folks must really hate free-market capitalism.

    These are the Job Creators, after all. And anything that's done to stop them is regulation, which is a dirty word.

    We need to just let the free market work and these problems will go away, right?

  • by spaceyhackerlady (462530) on Sunday February 24, 2013 @06:07PM (#42997715)

    The sad thing is that there are enough people buying this shit to keep the robocallers and spammers in business.

    I routinely get robocalls wanting to reduce my credit card debt. A good trick, since I don't have any. I always wonder how the political polling people can possibly pretend their conclusions have any validity, since everybody hangs up on them.

    And so on. A medium that used to be useful has been poisoned by abuse.

    I view Do Not Call as intrinsically self-defeating. Like "opting out" of spam, it provides a list of known-good phone numbers. If the robocalls originate from offshore, there is little the local authorities can do about it anyway.

    ...laura

  • Re:FFS (Score:5, Insightful)

    by icebike (68054) on Sunday February 24, 2013 @06:27PM (#42997873)

    Why is it that the attack-dog AGs of the world are ready to go when somebody runs wget contrary to a site's terms of service; but people like this are allowed to operate unchecked?

    Well, when Florida lumps their "Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services" into one agency, you really can't expect much from them except bullshit.

  • by Nidi62 (1525137) on Sunday February 24, 2013 @07:50PM (#42998491)

    In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penisses, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship.

    In a perfect world, pervasive rape in jail will not be subject of gleeful jokes (it'd be funny if it weren't a common issue). I would like to see spammers go to jail too, but not like this.

    In a perfect world, we wouldn't need prisons, because people would actually obey society's laws and respect the property, dignity, and person of other people.

  • by aztracker1 (702135) on Sunday February 24, 2013 @08:46PM (#42998823) Homepage
    In a perfect world there wouldn't for-profit prisons, that have lower standards, higher infraction numbers, and higher rates of 'inmate' crimes leading to longer detention terms. (Not to mention the shear corruption). The US has a higher ratio of prisoners that pretty much the anywhere else.
  • by Frosty Piss (770223) * on Sunday February 24, 2013 @09:38PM (#42999163)

    You know, that's exactly why I object to the Death Penalty: It's just too easy for the criminal.

    And don't fool yourself, it is MUCH more expensive to prosecute a Death Penalty case through all the appeals to the final needle in the arm, than it is to lock 'em up in a tine cell with no windows for a life of ever increasing insanity.

    Of course my morality objects to that as well, so when people ask me about the Death Penalty, I simply walk around in circles talking to myself...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:53AM (#43000207)

    Yeah, because repeated aggravated rape is so a synonym for justice. I imagine that Browning fellow you're so fond of would do something more merciful, like shooting them.

    Thank you for speaking up. The world will be a better place when rape stops being a punchline.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:45AM (#43000439)

    The humor in the in WWJohnBrowningDo's message is that the spam e-mail is famous for
    - enlarge penis advertisements
    - viagra advertisements
    - dating site advertisements
    A rape is not the point here.

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