Wayland 1.1 Released — Now With Raspberry Pi Support 197
An anonymous reader writes "Six months after the release of Wayland 1.0, versions 1.1 of Wayland and Weston have been released. Wayland/Weston 1.1 brings new back-end support for the Raspberry Pi, Pixman renderer, Microsoft Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP), and FBDEV frame-buffer device. Wayland/Weston 1.1 also introduces a modules SDK, supports the EGL buffer-age extension, touch-screen calibration support, and numerous optimizations and bug-fixes."
Re:remote desktop vs windows (Score:5, Insightful)
Or, ssh into a development server and run eclipse.
Or ssh into a new oracle host and launch the oracle installer
With Wayland soon we'll have to have full graphical installs on ever server rather than just the minimal xlib to support remote viewing of applications.
Die X Die! (Score:0, Insightful)
Nothing has been keeping Linux on the desktop behind more than X. Finally some decent graphics. Keep up the good work and keep the good bits coming.
Why so much Wayland? (Score:4, Insightful)
Call me ignorant. but can someone explain why we have more than a post per week either about or mentioning Wayland for the last couple of months? Is it really that interesting for the average /. user to hear about every feature added to Wayland or every project/company whatever that supports or does not support Wayland in some way? Or is it just one of those strange obsessions of the /. editors?
I understand it is an important project, supposed to be the successor to X11 etc so it has more interest to geeks than, say, bitcoins, but is it really that interesting?
I'm Stoked (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:remote desktop vs windows (Score:4, Insightful)
Honestly, why do people hate on products that obviously don't meet there needs?
I understand being upset that something doesn't have what you want, but bashing the creators over and over again just gets old. If it doesn't do what you want, then just don't use it.
That's a great option, up until the point that it becomes a de facto standard. X11 is the de facto standard for graphics on Linux, and Wayland aims to replace it. We're all going to be stuck with Wayland, so we need to speak up and make sure the authors know what we need. I doubt RDP would have been included at all if we didn't bitch about the lack of X forwarding every time Wayland was mentioned.
There are pros and cons to doing things this way
I've yet to see any pros from switching to Wayland. Name one.
Re:remote desktop vs windows (Score:3, Insightful)
Exactly. It's not hating the effort. It's not hating the people. It's not really even hating the project's direction per se - not if it could easily be ignored. It's hating that a good, serviceable system with valuable features (GNOME 2, X11) is likely to be REPLACED by an inferior one (GNOME 3, Wayland) lacking important features. Yes, it's still POSSIBLE with open source to forge your own way, but it's hardly practical to spend your effort fixing bad mainstream decisions when you have THINGS TO DO.
Re:remote desktop vs windows (Score:0, Insightful)
If I've got an ssh open to a remote host, all X11 apps I run on that connection on the remote host automatically appear on my own desktop without any special treatment at all.
Well, assuming that the ssh admin has permitted ssh forwarding. And that you invoked your ssh client with the appropriate flags. And that you export the DISPLAY variable on the remote host. And that you set your xhost permissions on your own host.
Other than that, nothing to be done.
Re:remote desktop vs windows (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't get all the hate Wayland gets.
I don't get all the hate Xorg gets.
The developers of X don't even like X.
The users of X like X just fine.
the majority of people don't want to use X because of its performance limitations.
What performance limitations? I have a beautiful hardware accelerated desktop that responds instantly every time. I can run cross platform 3d games at the same speed on both Windows and X. What does Wayland actually do for me?
People who use X for features that Wayland does not support are the minority. A very vocal minority. This minority wants to impose its will over the majority.
Yes, we're the minority who actually use our computers to do complex and important things. If all you do is watch youtube, you don't need network transparency. But a UNIX display system should cater to power users. That's why we use UNIX in the first place.
I love how the whole GPL has breed a user base that has contempt for the developer base.
What has bred contempt for the developers is the developers contempt for their users.
Re:remote desktop vs windows (Score:5, Insightful)
Bitching at Wayland devs has turned "not planned, out of scope" into "working RDP implementation available". It seems to be fairly effective.
Re:remote desktop vs windows (Score:4, Insightful)
The question is, how easy is it to use? With X forwarding, it's nothing more than 'ssh -X remotehost', then just run your program.
Geeze Hatta, have some faith. If not in the Wayland developers themselves (who are also X developers and have some cred here, IIRC), then in the developers, distributions, and users of the Linux community writ large that will evaluate, integrate, and extend Wayland if it's advantageous over X or ignore if it's not.
Everyone, including the Wayland developers, understands that network transparency is a necessary, compelling feature. It may undergo a shakeup and it may not be fully baked on day 1, but it will happen.