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Red Hat Confirms GNOME Classic Mode For RHEL 7 192

Posted by timothy
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An anonymous reader writes "The H-Online is reporting that the upcoming RHEL 7 will use GNOME Classic Mode over Gnome Shell as its Default Desktop GUI. Speaking to TechTarget ahead of the 2013 Red Hat Summit, Red Hat engineering director Denise Dumas said this regarding the decision: "I think it's been hard for the Gnome guys, because they really, really love modern mode, because that's where their hearts are." She added that the same team had "done a great job putting together classic mode" and that it was eventually decided to use it in favour of the more radical modern interface to spare customers the effort of relearning their way around the desktop again."
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Red Hat Confirms GNOME Classic Mode For RHEL 7

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  • I have been using the GNOME shell in Fedora 15 -> 17. Once they added the "extensions" interface it made it palatable as I have a number of extensions that give me back some of the old features. I do like the http://extensions.gnome.org/ [gnome.org] interface though...makes it easy to find and add the needed extensions. But I can't honestly say that the changes GNOME3 introduced were worth the trouble. The workflow isn't greatly enhanced and the learning curve was bad enough to make me curse more than once.

    I hav

    • by unixisc (2429386)
      I did like XP to 7 UI changes - particularly the way Network & Sharing Center was organized. 7 did do a whole lot of things better than XP. However, I agree w/ the rest of it - I wouldn't bother w/ Windows 8, I'd probably be fine w/ either KDE4 or Razor-qt, but honestly, never liked any of the GNOMEs.
    • by jbolden (176878)

      They are solutions to things like unified notification. Of course your 90s style desktop workflow wasn't enhanced. They aren't designed to do 90s better they are designed to replace 90s style desktops with desktops that can fully support workers who either use a mobile as a primary devices or a key component of their workflow.

  • Translation..... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Lumpy (12016) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @10:15AM (#43995291) Homepage

    Our Corporate customers have Demanded that we don't make the interface change for only trendiness, so we are sticking with what works best for fur paying customers.

    • by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @10:39AM (#43995623) Homepage Journal

      continued translation ".. and just because Gnome UI designers need something to do doesn't mean that we're going to switch our UI every year".

      it's not like the changes are likely to stop either. which is the bullshit part, if the new paradigms are so good why the fuck is nobody sticking to them year after year and how many names do we need for desktop widgets really.

    • If they pay you in fur they can't be high value customers. What are they, Hudson bay trappers?
  • by BladeMelbourne (518866) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @10:23AM (#43995395)

    When Red Hat 6 or 7 are mentioned in close proximity I automatically think of the CDs I was installing on my PIII 450 MHz many years ago. Before I visited Fedora, *buntu and Debian.

    I still have that PIII... maybe I should boot it up and frustrate myself trying to get LILO to install and then unfrustrate myself looking at pixelated pr0n at 28.8 kbps :-)

    • by CyberKnet (184349)

      Fully realizing that someone will trump this with something akin to a 300baud modem ...

      CR-ROM???

      You're not old unless you had to go to the store to buy 100 3.5" floppies so that you could download the 76 1.44MB individual disk images over your 14.4k modem connection, rawrite them one at a time, and then spend the afternoon swapping disks as you waited apprehensively for the # prompt of your new slackware installation. Only to have to start again after disk x26 because disk x26 had a bad sector and failed a

      • Remember those days VERY well..Around 1994, the company I worked for at the time, was wanting to put up one of those new-fangled thingies called a website..Since we were actually a Novell shop, the rest of the IT department wanted to go with a then-available httpd NLM (Netware Loadable Module) for the webserver. Since I was evaluating Slackware, both on and off-the-clock, I suggested setting it up via Linux and its httpd, which would be FREE vs the several hundred dollars the vendor wanted for the Novell NL

    • I can relate. I run VMWare with SUSE8 and SUSE 8.2 virtual machines, partly out of nostalgia, partly because it's neat.

      SUSE 8.0 still used Gnome 1.X and I find it much more useful than Gnome 3 (actually I even like it better than Gnome 2, but I know that puts me in the minority). Interestingly, old distros (these are from 2001 and 2002 respectively) are surprisingly useful already and do almost all of what I use a computer for these days, including browsing the web (not all sites, obviously, and yes I'm a

  • so many other distros have such superior and polished desktops. And other distros, not redhat, allow access to their repositories by anyone since paying customer pay for *support* and having public access to repos is way of advertising, marketing and getting community goodwill. All have which became foreign concepts to Red Hat long ago. I haven't seen a RedHat enterprise desktop in a decade. and that's a good thing.

    • by evilviper (135110)

      so many other distros have such superior and polished desktops.

      Actually, I find RHEL to be the best out there. It's quite reliable, and they've included the full compliment of apps you might need, without duplication or lots of stuff that half-works and breaks periodically. My only complaint about GNOME on RHEL6 is that it defaults to the Mac-style top taskbar, instead of the old GNOME 0.x style that Windows 7 adopted.

      I haven't seen a RedHat enterprise desktop in a decade. and that's a good thing.

      RHEL is

      • by rubycodez (864176)

        sad news for you, w3techs found that RedHat became #2 in server space in mid 2012.

        You can't complain about anyone "blatantly ripping off RHEL". most of the distro is NOT producted by Redhat but 3rd party projects (linux kernel, fsf compiler and tools, apache project etc.) do the heavy lifting of making any Linux distro while redhat profits from their work.

        whether it's most vendor-supported depends on what you want to run. If I run postgresql with nginx or apache front ends maybe my "vendor" isn't Ora

        • by evilviper (135110)

          sad news for you, w3techs found that RedHat became #2 in server space in mid 2012.

          Complete bullshit. You're massively misrepresenting the story.

          The survey was only web servers, and those certainly aren't the majority of all servers. The numbers say nothing about the server space at large.

          And RedHat was never #1... Instead, #1 in their ranking was previously CentOS.

          Even then, RedHat distros are only behind because they've split their numbers between CentOS, RHEL, and Fedora. Combine those three (or even

  • We will be upgrading some of the workstations in our ops center in the future and some of those workstations have three monitors on them. If I had to hop across three monitors every time I need to get to the app's menu under the new unified Gnome menu, I would probably be throwing things across the room in a very short period of time.
  • by theJML (911853) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @11:07AM (#43996047) Homepage

    I don't even have X installed on my CentOS and RHEL servers. It's so much easier to manage from the command line... especially remotely.

    But then I'm the kinda guy MS had to come out with "Server Core" for, I suppose.

  • A great improvement, but it still seems to use that stupid window skin by default - it appears to be designed to waste as much vertical space as possible in the header of the window. Obviously this makes a lot of sense in a world of 16:9 monitors where vertical space is at a premium.

    I can understand the Gnome guys re-working the internals of the desktop to make it more maintainable in the long term, and having been using it now for six months I find some of the features of Gnome 3 are quite nice - e.g. the

  • I bet Gnome kills classic mode because too many people are using it.

    • Because, I think, it's just a bunch of extensions, anyone can come along and package them up with ordinary Gnome and ship it as "Gnome, slightly better version" or whatever. So even if they do kill, as in stops supporting it, they would have to kill the entire extension infrastructure to kill the idea.

  • by emblemparade (774653) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @12:59PM (#43997737)

    This shows a lot of maturity on the part of the GNOME devs (for creating a usable classic mode), and on the part of RedHat for defaulting on it.

    Radical change may be exciting for developers and vendors, who are too aware of the usability issues with the "old" desktop paradigm, but it's not trivial to change a culture overnight. We're not all Steve Jobs clones who understand what people want better than they seem to know. iPhones were greeted with love, but the new experimental desktops coming out of the free software world seem to cause more angst than adoration. It takes maturity to recognize that maybe you are going too far all at once.

    Slow but steady is the smart way to go: allow for radical experimentations while not breaking usability patterns built over years of using computers.

    Good show, everyone involved.

  • They'll all just end up copying Windows eventually anyway. There was some really interesting desktop development going on back in the late 90s (and I assume several of those projects are still going) but the tendency has appeared to be to, for the most part, stay with the crowd and suck in Microsoft GUI elements (both good and bad). The pressure to continue doing so, even in the face of the awful Windows 8 will be immense and likely impossible to resist for the KDE and Gnome guys.

    • by 0123456 (636235)

      Except the big selling point of Linux on the desktop is that it's NOT Windows 8.

      • by Richy_T (111409)

        Sure. And one thing that got me into Linux was that it was NOT windows 3.1. That didn't mean that braindead GUI decisions didn't continually get integrated over the years. At least there are (real) choices with Linux.

    • by bmo (77928)

      >They'll all just end up copying Windows eventually anyway.

      You mean like how Microsoft lifted features/concepts from KDE and put them in Vista/7?

      >Windows 8 vs KDE and Gnome

      I'm not sure about gnome these days, but the KDE guys have a fully fleshed out touch centered interface (KDE Plasma Active), but they keep it entirely separated from the base KDE install, because unlike Microsoft, they reacognize that desktops and tablets are used differently.

      This meme that Linux desktop devs blindly follow Microsof

  • by bmo (77928) on Thursday June 13, 2013 @04:38PM (#44000529)

    Ever since KDE stopped sucking around 4.2.6, I've gone back to KDE after hiding out in Gnome 2.x

    It has the least amount of derp out of all the desktop environments. The KDE devs flirted with the "hey, let's remove features" fad, but actually came to their senses a lot quicker than the Gnome guys when they started having to don Nomex underwear.

    KDE 4.10.x is spectacular. It's chock full of features, and not that much bigger in footprint than XFCE.

    As for server stuff, who the heck puts a desktop on a server?

    --
    BMO

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