Hands-On With Windows 8.1 Preview 505
adeelarshad82 writes "Microsoft launched the preview version of Windows 8.1 at the company's Build conference in San Francisco and early signs show that Microsoft heard the criticisms, and has responded with improvements. The new OS includes a number of changes starting with the return of the Start button and the ability to boot directly to the desktop. However, Microsoft hasn't given up on making the new-style tile and full-screen more usable for all users. If anything, the tile-based Start screen has gotten more flexible, with new smaller and larger tile options. Windows 8.1 also drastically improves built-in search, SkyDrive cloud syncing, mail and Microsoft Music."
Microsoft also released a preview of Visual Studio 2013 and .NET 4.5.1, and there's a program that will give developers early access to the PC version of the Kinect sensor. Other tidbits: Windows 8.1 will use a standard driver model for 3-D printers, and it's getting better support for both high-res displays and using multiple displays with different resolutions.
the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the phrase everyone has wanted to hear, including myself. Microsoft may have backpedaled, but that was the right thing to do.
Good Changes All Around (Score:5, Insightful)
The biggest thing is the fact that you can search all sections (Apps, Settings, Files) with a single search bar now. No more having to type, mouse-move, click, and then find the option I want! Plus, you can disable the "also search Bing" nonsense, thankfully.
I already run using 0 Metro apps, and live mostly in the Desktop space (truth be told, due to my Windows Key + type letters + hit 'enter' style of start menu usage, the start screen doesn't bother me). I'm glad I'll be able to boot straight to desktop, which will further distance myself from the Metro experience.
No Aero then? (Score:4, Insightful)
Grid layouts (Score:5, Insightful)
I really hate them. It is some modern UI koolaid everyone has been drinking apparently. The multsized grids are really hard for me to locate information. The only thing they seem to be good at is forcing me to scan over advertisements before I find what I want to get to, which might be the point, and the reason I hate them.
Why would anyone want Windows 8.1? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the phrase everyone has wanted to hear, including myself. Microsoft may have backpedaled, but that was the right thing to do.
What good is a start button without a start menu?
Re:Good Changes All Around (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Why would anyone want Windows 8.1? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Good Changes All Around (Score:5, Insightful)
Plus, you can disable the "also search Bing" nonsense, thankfully.
Good, I was concerned this would be a gaping privacy hole. On the original Windows 8.1 post on the Windows Blog, I asked the Microsoft rep several times whether this would be optional and he said he didn't know yet and that an answer would be forthcoming. (Not usually an encouraging sign.) Having *local* searches automatically send a http request to Bing (and, presumably, the NSA) isn't something that I think most Windows users want.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
Now we're probably going to have to sit through hundreds of posts for "I've been using windows 8.1 for 10 years and it's just so awesome with the new start button, just what everyone wanted. MS is such a great company that listens to their customers."
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
It'll be a real improvement (a 180) if there's something as simple as a checkbox that says "Suppress Metro interface".
I still don't think MSFT gets it. No one wants to see Metro, ever.
Still no Start Menu - Pass! (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, but until I'm able to completely deactivate the context-destroying, time and scren real-estate wasting Start Screen altogether, Windows 8 (sans 3rd party Start Menu add-ons), is nothing more than a toy.
Yes, I understand that menus are an creeping problem when adding functionality.
Yes, I understand that they're limited when implementing touch interfaces.
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!
I don't use touch interfaces on anything larger than my phone, and even then, my current phone has a fallback to a physical keyboard. I have no use for them on a desktop or even a laptop. NONE.
I'm concerned about productivity FULL STOP. A menu system enables me to do more, faster. Especially with keyboard shortcuts (many of which were completely annihilated when they removed menus altogether in 8).
Managing systems remotely with the Win8/Server2012 interface is a complete pain in the balls, as the "hot corner" functionality for pulling up the various charms bars and other crap have a strong tendency to just not work, or work extremely sporadically in remote management situations. Yes yes. I could learn all the goofy new keyboard shortcuts. A menu system would still be more straightforward and functional.
Microsoft is acting like a kid who's been told to clean his room.
They've basically put it off as long as they can.
Now they're just going to kick some stuff under the bed and other general half-assery and hope it's sufficient.
It isn't. Period.
Re:Why would anyone want Windows 8.1? (Score:3, Insightful)
As someone who uses Windows at home, there are two main reasons:
1.) Games
2.) I use Linux at work, and it's nice to have my OS piss me off in different ways depending on where I am
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, there is a start button there now. But all it does is bring up the start screen, the same as pressing the Windows key. The start menu, which is what most people really want back, is still missing from the OS.
I disagree. Most people were just confused by the lack of a physical button to click on to do anything.
A MUCH smaller subset actually wanted the old start menu back. I know I don't. There are elements of the old start menu that I liked, but most of it was a bad idea. Start -> All Programs was a complete disaster -- lets put a hierarchy of everything installed on your computer in a small non-resizable popup menu. Sorry that was just awful. For anything you need the start MENU for, the start screen is a LOT better.
Pinned aps on the start menu? Use a toolbar if you want a popup menu for those on the taskbar.
The only real loss is the search box that many power users use as a quick launcher - the start screen works for this, and is better if you are actually doing any sort of real search. But a desktop widget would be more appropriate for the "quick launch task of things we already know about."
But this is a power user function / feature not something "most users" do. Personally I'm looking for good 3rd party options, that just address this small shortcoming, rather than try to recreate the disaster that the old start menu was.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:1, Insightful)
Personally I have no idea why people would want the old start menu back. On a large monitor it was a pain to use, while the new start screen has all of the same features and then some with a much larger and easier-to-use area for icons. If someone could accurately describe all of the legitimate downsides (not "it looks like a tablet, therefore it sucks"), I would appreciate that a lot because all I hear is "they changed it therefore it sucks"-type whining.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:No Aero then? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
A MUCH smaller subset actually wanted the old start menu back. I know I don't. There are elements of the old start menu that I liked, but most of it was a bad idea. Start -> All Programs was a complete disaster -- lets put a hierarchy of everything installed on your computer in a small non-resizable popup menu.
Most users don't use the heirarchal menu very often. They usually either type the first few characters to search, or use one of the recent programs listed. But if you're in one of the instances where you're trying to access a program that you don't use very often, and don't remember the exact name of it, the hierarchical menu is light years beyond the start screen.
For example, take a look at what my Windows 8 start screen looks like [imgur.com]. It's an absolute mess, and nearly unusable in my opinion. The Start8 menu that I installed is much easier, quicker, and far more intuitive to use. I suspect that many users feel the same way as I do.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
I still don't think MSFT gets it. No one wants to see Metro, ever.
Agreed, the interest does not seem too high. I've noticed how on Slashdot a lot of the discussion focuses on the problems surrounding the Start screen, but no one even mentions the Metro apps, which for Microsoft is actual big thing with Windows 8.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
Start -> All Programs was a complete disaster -- lets put a hierarchy of everything installed on your computer in a small non-resizable popup menu.
To be fair, though, a LOT of that problem stems from companies making installers that seem to "helpfully" assume that you FIRST want to sort your applications by company name rather than, say, "Games", "Internet", "Graphics", "System", etc, and then the application or a company name under THAT. Did you just install four games, three graphics programs, and two system tools, each by different companies? Guess what? You've now got nine brand new top-level folders, each containing one program icon, one to three readmes, and maybe an uninstaller! Because that makes sense, right? Now keep going until you've got sixty or seventy top-level programs.
It wasn't so much that All Programs was a disaster, it was companies using it as secondary advertising space on your desktop.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
Those being?... Serious question.
Other than Metro, what does Win8 offer that Win7+updates doesn't, assuming you're not a movie company that wants even moar DRM locked into the operating system?
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's a novel idea. How about have tablets default to Start Screen and Metro mode and desktops and notebooks defaulting to looking just like Windows 7 - i.e. Start Menu and desktop mode? And having a user option to override that default.
Then the 0.001% of users who exclusively use Metro apps on their tablet would be happy and the rest of us could just ignore it completely. The only reason they're pushing Metro down everyone's throat is so that people write and use Metro apps and the Microsoft store has something to do.
As it is they've got the boat anchor that is Metro dragging down Windows 8 because people who like Windows 7 hate it. It's dragging down Windows RT too because no compelling Metro apps means that Windows RT is screwed. It's dragging down the Windows Store because no one actually wants Metro.
They've got one very unpopular product - Metro and a number of very popular ones - most notably Windows itself. They've tried to force the people that like and use Windows to use Metro. And probably the reason for that is because if Metro apps take off then so will Windows Phone. Which right now is tanking too.
However instead of this strategy making Metro and Windows Phone more popular they've actually managed to make desktop Windows less popular. PC sales are down and they've made Windows run much less well on non touchscreen machines but the tablets people are buying instead are running Android and iOS, not Windows.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:4, Insightful)
The entirety of metro is just one item in that list. The rest is for everyone.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
How the fuck is it "much better"? Try copying 100,000 files over a LAN from an XP box to a Win8 drive. The OS will shit itself and lock up entirely. Not even a blue screen, completely unresponsive DOA requiring pulling the plug. How about the "full line select" bullshit in file manager windows that makes it a huge pain in the ass to select files with a mouse?
All the review talks about is a bunch of stupid top-layer eye-candy bullshit that NO ONE CARES ABOUT. The goddamned OS should not be an "experience". That's what programs are for. The OS should shut the fuck up, do exactly what I tell it to do WHEN I tell it to do it, and generally stay the hell out of my way and out of my sight. Vista, 7, and 8 are abject failures that can't even correctly perform the minimal basic I/O tasks that are the exact reason we even HAVE operating systems rather than writing directly to the hardware.
Microsoft, you absolutely DON'T GET IT! You keep trying to pander to the idiot teenager mobile device crowd and people too stupid to even OWN a powerful computing device and you are pissing in the faces of everyone who actually uses your shitty OS to do REAL WORK and put food on their tables (mainly because the applications they use won't run on a REAL OS). Quit fucking around and DO YOUR GODDAMN JOBS OVER THERE. Fire the stupid assholes responsible for the abomination that is Win8 and put out an OS that at least does the bare minimum. Window dressing and eye candy is for children. Try aiming at the grownup market for a change!
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Now try typing a few letters of what you are searching for. Much better.
Hmmm...lessee. I want to reduce the size of this here video, to play it on my phone. What the heck was that app called, again? Maybe something like "transcoder"? (types) ... Hmmm..... Nope. Doesn't look right.
Types: <backspace><backspace> (&c) .... Ok, how about "video"? (types) ... Hmmm, nope, that's not it. I don't think so, anyway.
(Types: <backspace><backspace>...<backspace>) Okay, um, "resize"? (types) ...nope.
*clicks around in menu* .... Oh, yeah. Handbrake. Typing transcode did work, but I couldn't tell.
The search interface works really well.
Re:the return of the Start button (Score:4, Insightful)
And when XP arrived almost every customer I had wanted the "Classic Start Menu" from windows 2000. People don't like to learn new things regardless of whether they are better or worse than what they had before.
This is broken on at least two levels.
I was there, and I don't recall any such push-back against the XP menu. There were a few comments about it looking a bit colorful, and feeling slower, but nothing like the reaction to 8's UI. (Of course compared to 98SE or ME, XP was like dawn after a dark night in terms of stability. People loved that.)
Secondly, and more importantly, the first rule of UIs is: don't change it unless it's badly broken.
It's true that most people don't like to learn new things, especially to do with computers. Guess what? Your stupid computer program isn't the most important thing in their lives—or even the fiftieth most important thing. They're not waiting with bated breath for the next "wonderful surprise" you're about to inflict on them. And: you can't change anyone besides yourself. People won't like change, no matter how hard you try to "fix" them. If you want to change the UI, you'd better provide strong, compelling, immediate reasons for that.
There's no evidence that (for anyone outside the executive suites in Microsoft Towers) Windows 8's way of locating and starting applications led to greater productivity and/or better employee morale. There's considerable evidence that the change has caused exactly the opposite.
(The UI mess is sad. Under the covers, 8 is a great improvement over 7. A tight OS.)