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The Little Bomb-Detecting Device That Couldn't 217

theodp writes "Widely deployed in Iraq and promoted by military leaders, BusinessWeek reports the ADE 651 bomb-detecting device had one little problem: it wouldn't detect explosives (earlier Slashdot story). 'The ADE 651,' reports Adam Higginbotham, 'was modeled on a novelty trinket conceived decades before by a former used-car salesman from South Carolina, which was purported to detect golf balls. It wasn't even good at that.' One thing the ADE 651 did excel at, however, was making money — estimates suggest that the authorities in Baghdad bought more than 6,000 useless bomb detectors, at a cost of at least $38 million. Even though ADE 651 manufacturer James McCormick was found guilty of three counts of fraud and sentenced to 10 years in prison in May, the ADE 651 is still being used at thousands of checkpoints across Baghdad. Elsewhere, authorities have never stopped believing in the detectors. Why? According to Sandia Labs' Dale Murray, the ideomotor effect is so persuasive that for anyone who wants or needs to believe in it, even conclusive scientific evidence undermining the technology it exploits has little power."
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The Little Bomb-Detecting Device That Couldn't

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  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:12PM (#44280073)

    But, back when I did, I can tell you: a functional golf ball detector would've been very handy.

  • I knew it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by lesincompetent ( 2836253 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:16PM (#44280101)
    James randi too was amazed at how basically all dowsers keep believing they have their special powers even after they've been thoroughly debunked.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:21PM (#44280127)

    Nobody can prove your claims to the contary for the make belive threats you countered

  • Re:nothing new... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bfandreas ( 603438 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:37PM (#44280223)
    This bomb detector thing was a mixture of greed, negligence, incompetence and corruption. I can't even begin to imagine the mindset that enables somebody to make money by directly endangering lives. Every aspect of this war stinks.
  • I wish (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Going_Digital ( 1485615 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:38PM (#44280229)
    If only people would believe the evidence then we wouldn't be lumbered with all the paranormal and supernatural ideas so widespread in our society today. There are clearly enough stupid people around though to make these cons pay.
  • Re:Thank you... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jd2112 ( 1535857 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:38PM (#44280233)

    According to Sandia Labs' Dale Murray, the ideomotor effect is so persuasive that for anyone who wants or needs to believe in it, even conclusive scientific evidence undermining the technology it exploits has little power."

    That explains a LOT about how the US Congress thinks/works.

    ...And those who elect them.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:46PM (#44280267)

    Do some of those have stripes on them?

  • Re:nothing new... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gandhi_2 ( 1108023 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @07:01PM (#44280329) Homepage

    Ahh. the salt peter myth.

    No, I "broke one off" there many a time my friend.

    The kits tested for nitrate-based and some others I don't remember. Octyl-based? Wished I still had the little hand-out.

    We had a VBIED there later on. So I can see residue then. But not before. We DID fire our weapons all the time, but not over the lunch meat! There are nitrates in lunch meats, but if lunch meat causes a false-positive then your kit isn't really worth much.

  • by Seumas ( 6865 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @07:06PM (#44280351)

    The real reason they continue to use these isn't because they somehow have convinced themselves that it works. It's probably not even directly a scam insofar as they're shoving money to some business cohort through the military industrial complex. I would suspect that what this is really about is that it's far cheaper to stick a device in a young man's hand and convince him that it's there to protect him, so that he'll actually continue to actively do his job, and have him wind up being blown up -- than it is to spend money on any sort of real device. The man is disposable. The worthless device is the placebo to motivate him to feel safe in doing his job. And when he dies, it was a far cheaper investment than the amount that any sort of real device would cost to produce, purchase, train on, and deploy.

  • by __aaltlg1547 ( 2541114 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @07:34PM (#44280501)

    All those FDA approved food additives are are fine.

    The scanners the TSA uses are safe and effective.

    Putting millions on subsidized healthcare and ensuring even more of the incidental costs are hidden from consumers will reduce healthcare spending.

    There was no coup in Egypt ...

    One of those, the third one specifically, stands out as not fitting the theme.

    You do realise it's the *same government* that has given us the TSA, the FDA, and the many other ruinous mistakes in every area it's involved in that you expect is magically going to take charge of health care and make us all better?

    Surely you jest.

    This is also the same government that put a lander on Mars with a sky crane and created the internet. And how come the FDA doesn't get credit for making food and drugs in the USA among the safest in the world?

  • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @08:03PM (#44280657)

    That's the ideomotor effect. You know, possibly subconsciously, where the water is likely to be (read Blink! by Malcolm Gladwell) based on experience. So when you walk to that spot, the stick points down.

    I've had well drillers dowse for wells before. I didn't give them any crap for their show. Because they had a track record for finding water. Why? Probably 30 or 40 years drilling wells. But even if they think its the stick, that's fine with me. Same as with the baseball players with the lucky socks.

  • Re:I wish (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wisnoskij ( 1206448 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @08:24PM (#44280745) Homepage

    I don't know what you are talking about. There is loads of scientific evidence on the oil reserves in Iraq.

  • by dcollins ( 135727 ) on Sunday July 14, 2013 @09:43PM (#44281073) Homepage

    "... very religious so not a liar."

    Yeah, because that obviates any concern that someone might be self-deluded into believing in magical things.

    (Btw, I also have relatives said to be wonderful dowsers... and I don't believe it a bit from them either.)

  • by __aaltlg1547 ( 2541114 ) on Monday July 15, 2013 @09:17AM (#44283411)
    Yes. My point is, if you cherry pick mistakes, every organization will look incompetent. Name one big organization that hasn't made big, costly mistakes. Is Microsoft run by fools who know nothing about software or business because Windows 8 sucks? Does Ford know nothing about cars because they gave us the Pinto?

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