Apache OpenOffice 4.0 Released With Major New Features 238
An anonymous reader writes "Still the most popular open source office suite, Apache OpenOffice 4 has been released, with many new enhancements and a new sidebar, based on IBM Symphony's implementation but with many improvements. The code still has comments in German but as long as real new features keep coming and can be shared with other office suites no one is complaining." The sidebar mentioned brings frequently used controls down and beside the actual area of a word-processing doc, say, which makes some sense given how wide many displays have become. This release comes with some major improvements to graphics handling, too; anti-aliasing makes for smoother bitmaps. In conjunction with this release, SourceForge (also under the Slashdot Media umbrella) has announced the launch of an extensions collection for OO. Extensions mean that Open Office can gain capabilities from outside contributors, rather than being wrapped up in large, all-or-nothing updates. You can download the latest version of Apache OpenOffice here.
IBM Open Source (Score:2, Insightful)
For IBM, Open Source == Out Sourcing.
Cheaper than employing programmers in faraway places is to get them to volunteer for free to maintain their code.
Not new really... They have been doing that for years.
German code comments (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm a Dutchman, my native language is dutch, and I use english for all comments because using my native language seems to screw with the industry-standard english terminology in programming.
Anybody here who comments his/her code in his native language? How do you deal with the jargon and what are the benefits of using your native language, apart from being able to type TL;DR-size comments with ease?
Play Nice (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes a few years ago some who did not like OO.org structure created an alternative which some prefer, and there is an issue with Oracle buying OO.org, but now Apache has it.
So before we start modded up the MS shills who want to promote the OO.org versus Libreoffice battle, remember that OSS is about choice, and MS is about the destruction of choice.
Thanks to all the people who have put work into OO.org. It is very appreciated. I have downloaded the new version and will look at it as I need it.
Re:Play Nice (Score:0, Insightful)
Before we all start cat fighting, remember that 12 years ago Sun gave us a office application that competed well with MS.
I like OpenOffice just as much as the next gal or guy, but it never competed with Office. You need something like Outlook before we can even start talking about competing, and then it's just the start of it.
Sidebar! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:PC is not a tablet (Score:5, Insightful)
Given that it's damn near impossible to find a 4:3 monitor larger than 17" and very hard to find even 16:10, it makes more sense to put in sidebars to use the abundant horizontal space rather than the vertical. Of course, once you get to around 24" monitors, it starts to become much more commonplace to have two apps side-by-side, in which case the argument goes back to having toolbars on the top and bottom.
Or we could, you know, have both as options.
Still needs Java? (Score:0, Insightful)
Then it's NFG (No Fucking Good)
Re:German code comments (Score:5, Insightful)
My team code (variables, class and method names) and comment in portuguese. I found that not many programmers down here really know english, so our first attempts with english commentary yielded crappy, useless, unreadable comments. Even comments in our native language sometimes can be confusing, so I think that adding a extra layer of noise wouldn't do it.
Re:Play Nice (Score:5, Insightful)
Nonsense. Nobody ever needed Outlook. And nothing good ever came from Outlook.
Re:I give up on WISYWIG (Score:4, Insightful)
As an added benefit you can store your documents in a source control system such that you can actually keep track of changes. (The change tracking I have seen build into some office suites was fundamentally flawed. They could only compare with one previous version and not show in which order changes were made. And they were relying on all the software used by the various parties to accurately record what was changed. Not really useful as anything other than a toy.)
Re:They seem to be doing a fine job. (Score:5, Insightful)
Comment? Yes. Of the various approaches to argument, the strongest one is to take your opponent's most valid point, the key of their argument, and then to logically rebut it. On the other hand, one of the weakest arguments is the ad hominem attack, declining to engage logic entirely and instead trying to win by bravado and superficial slight of hand. I dismantled your argument, by showing the flaws in how you calculated and interpreted your "5%" claim. You responded (no not responded, but dodged entirely) with an ad hominem attack. I assume if you had a stronger argument to make you would have done so.
Re:And LibreOffice is already merging improvements (Score:4, Insightful)
There might have been a lot of people who were willing to dual-license most of their contributions, but you turned a *lot* of them off with your toxic attitude and the juvenile bullcrap you have been spewing for the last several years on mailing lists and fora. Now, years after flaming potential collaborators enough that they were unwilling to put up with you, you point to a token few dual-licensers as a resounding success.
Re:Sidebar the differentiator - really? (Score:4, Insightful)
It is not quite true to say this was just a merge from Symphony. Actually, your statement is entirely false. The core Sidebar was reimplemented in AOO 4.0, by developers at Apache. One of the core goals was to make it a framework that could be used by Extension authors as well.
You can read more details on this in this blog post:
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/the_sidebar_new_and_improved [apache.org]
And as I've said before, it is regrettable that LibreOffice supporters find it so difficult to graciously accept good code from a good project. No one, absolutely no one, is complaining about you using it. It is under the Apache License, free for LibreOffice or anyone else to use it, now and forever. Although the license says nothing about polite manners, and I never expect to hear even the smallest statement of thanks, I think the larger open source community does find it disturbing that LibreOffice supporters are so eager to take code from AOO while continually insulting it at the same time. Remember, using code from other open source projects does not make you smaller. We all "stand on the shoulders of giants", so try not to piss on them, or upstream in general.
Re:Merge Already! Libre/Open (Score:5, Insightful)
Is that the same way Linux and FreeBSD are "merging"?
And yet Linux doesn't yet have a modern file system...
ZFS works great on FreeBSD. HAMMER from DragonFly BSD is damn good as well. BTRFS still sucks, YEARS after it SHOULD HAVE been stable.
Having a license that supposedly allows you to suck the marrow out of the upstream project doesn't really solve your problems for you, and you can certainly still fall behind.
If the LibreOffice guys were smart, they'd be contributing as many of their changes as possible to the upstream project, so they won't have to do extra maintenance, and more people would benefit from them. Of course, if those LO guys were smart, they would have picked a slightly less horrific and painful NAME for their project...
Re:Merge Already! Libre/Open (Score:4, Insightful)
Can we please get past calling AOO the upstream project of LO? This is like calling gorillas the upstream project of humans...
Yes they share a common ancestry but that is it at this point... sure some stuff can be transplanted from one to the other but there is no upstream/downstream relationship that one would usually understand that term as in the FOSS world (eg Fedora -> RHEL).
Re:Sidebar the differentiator - really? (Score:5, Insightful)
"No one, absolutely no one, is complaining about you using [AOO source]."
And yet here you are, trolling on Slashdot, badmouthing LO and its supporters at every turn.
LO gives credit where credit is due, on their site and in their documentation, and I have yet to see any LO contributor or TDF member badmouth AOO in any public forum.
And AOO is not "upstream" of LO. LO is an independent project and makes its own decisions regarding the incorporation of contributions from other projects. It is a true fork of the original source code, and does not simply repackage whatever AOO ships.
You did good work with the OOXML standardization coverage a few years ago, but these LO/AOO diatribes are doing a disservice to your reputation.
Re:Play Nice (Score:5, Insightful)
It freed us from Lotus Notes.