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Ferrari's New Car Tech Idea: Make Car Go Really Fast 226

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cartechboy writes "Forget EV batteries and autonomous driving. Ferrari understands old-school advanced car tech — basically, they just want to make the thing go ridiculously fast. The Italians showed off very serious chasis technology today in the new Ferrari Speciale at the Frankfurt Auto Show. The new electronic 'Side Slip angle Control' system uses algorithms that compute and analyze lateral acceleration, yaw angle, steering wheel angle and wheel speed in real-time. The system compares these readings to target data, and then just adjusts traction control and electric differential to be more efficient. Top speed: 202 mph."
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Ferrari's New Car Tech Idea: Make Car Go Really Fast

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  • Please proofread (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    The word chassis has a double-S in the middle.

  • That's about 90.3 m/s!

    • Re:202 mph (Score:4, Funny)

      by MurukeshM (1901690) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @06:05PM (#44824211)

      That's about 325 kmph. The Bugatti Veyron has a top speed of over 406 kmph. What's so special about this Ferrari?

      • by Tx (96709)

        The Veyron costs like 5 times as much.

        • by ackthpt (218170)

          The Veyron costs like 5 times as much.

          Also contains massive quantities of unobtainium.

        • Re:202 mph (Score:5, Interesting)

          by You're All Wrong (573825) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @06:27PM (#44824431)
          Then buy a ZR1 that costs 1/20th of a Veyron, and can still go faster than this Ferrari.
          • Re:202 mph (Score:5, Insightful)

            by dicobalt (1536225) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @06:34PM (#44824517)
            But does the ZR1 handle as well on a track in the twisties? Of course, I'm going on the assumption that people get cars like this to race them. Where racing is defined by doing something more complicated than going in a straight line.
            • Re:202 mph (Score:4, Informative)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @07:59PM (#44825031)

              I'm going on the assumption that people get cars like this to race them.

              Umm...no. People get cars like this to overtly display their abundance of wealth to members of the opposite sex while still allowing them to pretend that they're interested in something beyond that wealth. That they go fast is just a happy coincidence.

              • No. People with this sort of money realize that just having the money is enough to attract more women than they want.

                They buy the cars because they want the status symbols among their (predominately male) peers or even just to themselves.

            • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

              by Anonymous Coward

              The short answer: Yes.

              The long answer: The C6 Z06 has a faster lap time around the Nürburgring than any Ferrari.

          • Re:202 mph (Score:5, Informative)

            by Ralph Wiggam (22354) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @06:42PM (#44824619) Homepage

            When Jeremy Clarkson reviews the ZR1 on Top Gear, he acknowledges that it can go toe to toe with the 458 Italia on the track despite being a fraction of the price. But he points out that the ZR1 is absolutely horrible to drive on the street.

            • Re:202 mph (Score:5, Insightful)

              by AlexOsadzinski (221254) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @06:54PM (#44824707) Homepage

              The Corvette and the 458 are both terrific cars, but in very different ways.

              I don't have a ZR1, but I have the 427, which is reasonably close to the ZR1 in many ways. While Chevrolet probably makes very little money on the Corvette, they still have to cut a lot of corners, and it is NOT an exotic. The performance is amazing in a straight line, and not bad on the twisties. The interior is, um, not impressive, although it's improved on the new C7 versions. You're sitting in a plastic car that's fantastic value for money and a lot of fun.

              The 458 (Italia version, as I can't speak for the Speciale or Spider) is a luxury exotic. It's an "event" to drive it, and the dynamics, sound and overall experience strictly dominate the Corvette. But the Corvette (the 427 at least) is only $80k, and a moderately specced Italia is over $300k: every one is highly customized for the buyer by the factory, and every option is, um, fully priced, e.g. $32k for special paint, $n,000 for every bit of carbon, etc. For getting from one place to another, the Ferrari isn't worth 4 times the Corvette's price. For sheer fun and excitement, "worth" is in the mind of the buyer.

            • by vlad30 (44644)
              One has a much better chance of getting you laid thats why its worth 5 times the price to some men
            • He also called the ZR1 car of the year when it came out and from what I remember he did buy one. They just like to bash American cars on the show. It's a comedy show first and a car show second. The ZR1 has the magnetic suspension so it can be adjusted between stiffer and softer. I can't say personally how much it actually changes though. I have a base model with the Z51 option (stiffer suspension) that I daily drive and it's fine. If you drive on bumpy roads it can be rough, but it's a sports car and
      • by rssrss (686344)

        The Bug goes very fast in a straight line, but Ferrari goes much faster around curves, which is what wins sports car races.

        Ferrari has adapted this technology from their Formula 1 racing cars which have been very successful over the years. What Ferrari is trying to do is compete with Porsche and Audi which have dominated sports car racing over the last few years. Bugatti is produced by a subsidiary of VW-Audi which also owns Audi and Porsche.

      • Re:202 mph (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @07:34PM (#44824863)
        It isn't the straight line top speed that matters. You could always get 200+ mph out of big block American V8s. It's speed and stability around corners that matters. This Ferrari seewms just the ticket for that off-camber, diminishing radius turn with a pothole at the apex.
        • As I recall - the Talladega could give you 200+ in the late sixties. Washington and Nascar started work on forcing LESS powerful engines to be used, bringing "record speeds" at the race tracks DOWN. I'm less of a Mopar fan than I am a Ford fan - but Dodge was producing cars that went head to head with the Talladega, and sometimes won.

          Funny thing is - if you're capable of balancing atop three or more high speed gyros, there are a number of inexpensive motorcycles that will outrun any of the cars being sold

          • In the late sixties most small town engine shops could get you 500+ hp out of even a small block 289 Ford or 327 Chevy. I was always partial to the 289's square bore and stroke. After that, 200+ was just a matter of rear end ratios. Friend had a 327 built up in an old Studebaker Commander and would race anyone for pinks starting side by side at 100 mph. Thing actually handled pretty well due to some suspension work and thank god for the Airheart disc brakes on the thing. Still pretty scary.
      • Re:202 mph (Score:5, Informative)

        by Flere Imsaho (786612) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @07:48PM (#44824943)

        Try turning in a Veyron at 406 kph and see what happens. You have to switch the car (when parked - you need the ignition key) into a special mode to get to it's top speed, and that mode includes lowering the spoiler to reduce downforce.

    • by flyneye (84093)

      I've got a 79 Trans Am with a 403 Olds that can kick the shit out of wimpy 202 mph. Lets race for titles, buddy.

  • New Idea: Make car go faster

    Innovation is Repetition: The mantra of the film and TV industry

    Ferrari is still awesome though. Give me one now.

    • by AK Marc (707885)
      This car isn't their fastest, and they aren't the fastest maker. This is about extending stability control to speeds well above legal. 99.9% of the cars won't see it ever used, but they are bought for their "capabilities" not performance, so it's a valuable feature for the billionaire that wants the exclusivity to drive 35 mph on city streets.
  • Just such a shame they asked people to obey "traffic sings" at the very end. Although they may have been talking about the engine note...

  • 201 mph (Score:5, Insightful)

    by swaq (989895) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @05:42PM (#44823933) Homepage
    Ferrari built a car that could do 201 mph in 1987. Glad to see they're improving...
    • Safely? Relatively speaking that is.

    • by snero3 (610114)
      But, in 1987, could it do this sideways? Also I believe that in 1987 it could only do 201 mph for about 30 seconds before it blow up. ;)
    • by stymy (1223496)
      That's a higher top speed than most formula 1 cars, and yet we all know which would win in a race.
    • And they keep overpricing each year...
    • Ferrari built a car that could do 201 mph in 1987. Glad to see they're improving...

      Yeah but was that 201 mph around a 90 degree turn ?

      (joking of course)

  • chances are it gets 8 miles to the gallon, thus you get a top speed of 202 mph for three minutes before the next refill... even though that refill might be in another county.

    • The previous version (458 Italia) gets 17.7 mpg.

      Probably not at 202 mph though.

    • by PPH (736903)

      All you people can think about is speed. I'm waiting for a nice, economical hybrid [wikipedia.org]. At 78 mpg, this beats a Prius (in more ways than one).

  • My driveway has several turns that severely limit how quickly I can get down to check on the mail.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F40 [wikipedia.org]

    (1987...top speed, 201.4 mph)

  • Some say... (Score:5, Funny)

    by bobdehnhardt (18286) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @06:01PM (#44824165)

    Can't wait for The Stig to take it round the track. Some say his home computer is a Commodore Amiga, and he still believes 640K is more than enough RAM for anyone.

  • ...what kind of recurring maintenance all those systems need, and if they have reasonable failure modes. Or, does the car just, like, explode like a meteorite when the handling controls fail.

    Oooooh. Aaaaaah. Sorry about Bill...

  • cars are using tech to go fast. It's about time~

  • In a race a DeLorean reachs the finish line like 30 years before the Ferrari.
  • Germany vs Italy (Score:4, Interesting)

    by GoogleShill (2732413) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @07:45PM (#44824923)

    My 996 Porsche 911 Turbo had steering wheel angle, yaw rate and lateral acceleration sensors and could brake each wheel independently. It also had a viscous coupling in the center diff to keep up to 90% of the power to the rear wheels, only giving the fronts as much as they needed. The 997 model introduced an electromagnetic coupling for even more precise control (and the ability to run different diameter tires). Even in a 50 MPH slide with all four wheels spinning, that thing would go almost exactly where you pointed it. That feeling is one of the finer things in life.

    I didn't RTFA, but I don't see what Ferrari has done here that Porsche didn't have 9 years ago.

    • by gr8_phk (621180)
      I work with guys who did yaw-stability-control calibration. Apparently it's quite satisfying to get it dialled-in just right. It's also not so much a high-end feature any more.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      They introduced AYC in 1996 with Lancer Evolution IV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Yaw_Control
      The system takes inputs: .steering angle .lateral acceleration .longitudinal acceleration .throttle position .wheel speed
      And actuates the hydraulic system to split the torque on rear axel helping the car in turn in and out of the corner.
      In 2001, with Evolution VII in addition to rear differential they introduced ACD - Active Center Differential, that would modulate torque between front

    • My 996 Porsche 911 Turbo had steering wheel angle, yaw rate and lateral acceleration sensors and could brake each wheel independently. It also had a viscous coupling in the center diff to keep up to 90% of the power to the rear wheels, only giving the fronts as much as they needed. The 997 model introduced an electromagnetic coupling for even more precise control (and the ability to run different diameter tires). Even in a 50 MPH slide with all four wheels spinning, that thing would go almost exactly where you pointed it. That feeling is one of the finer things in life.

      I didn't RTFA, but I don't see what Ferrari has done here that Porsche didn't have 9 years ago.

      Put a little horse icon on it?

  • by Greyfox (87712) on Wednesday September 11, 2013 @08:18PM (#44825185) Homepage Journal
    A while back I jokingly told a fellow skydiver I refused to fall slower than the top speed in my car. Average terminal velocity is 120 mph. Falling at 200mph would be kind of a bitch. I might be able to fall faster than the Ferrari if you pushed it out the back of the plane, though (Actually, that'd make an awesome Red Bull commercial...)
  • by smash (1351)
    At 202 mph, they are 1 mph better than tha official top speed of the Ferrari F-40, released in 1987.
    • Yeah, same for computers, it's a pain that there's been no progress since Pentium 4's 4Ghz processors

  • Forget EV batteries and autonomous driving. Ferrari understands old-school advanced car tech — basically, they just want to make the thing go ridiculously fast.

    What is "old-school advanced car tech"? The original "old-school advanced car tech" was stuff to make cars reliable and serviceable in an environment of poor-quality roads and no service centers. Or maybe the "old-school advanced car tech" that Saab created to make their cars safe. The phrase certainly doesn't equate to making the thing go ridiculously fast in my mind.

    Yay! Ferrari made another fast car. But everyone is playing with electronics to do the same kinds of things these days and McLaren road

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