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Brazil Announces Plans To Move Away From US-Centric Internet 285

trbdavies writes "The Associated Press reports: 'President Dilma Rousseff ordered a series of measures aimed at greater Brazilian online independence and security following revelations that the U.S. National Security Agency intercepted her communications, hacked into the state-owned Petrobras oil company's network and spied on Brazilians who entrusted their personal data to U.S. tech companies such as Facebook and Google. The leader is so angered by the espionage that on Tuesday she postponed next month's scheduled trip to Washington, where she was to be honored with a state dinner.' Among Brazil's plans are a domestic encrypted email service, laying its own fiber optic cable to Europe, requiring services like Facebook and Google to store data generated by Brazilians on servers located in Brazil, and pushing for 'international rules on privacy and security in hardware and software during the U.N. General Assembly meeting later this month.'"
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Brazil Announces Plans To Move Away From US-Centric Internet

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  • by themushroom ( 197365 ) on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @05:07PM (#44887933) Homepage

    are outside Brazil, such as the United States, because beside a small collection of servers you want to call secure and local (Brazil's own webmail server, for instance) everything else is "out there". Including most of the "Brazillian content" such as info about the Rio '16 Olympics and all those hot photos of women at Carnivale.

  • Re:Efficacy? (Score:4, Informative)

    by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @05:38PM (#44888261) Homepage Journal

    did it say in the story that they would move the datacenters into europe?

    besides, unless they got shadow cabling they're not going to send all the data over to usa from europe.. which is what usa gets now when the data is routed through them.

    another article said vladivostok for cable end, too.

    and heh, this does accomplish money into brazil. by forcing facebook, google etc. to store the data in brazil they have to build datacenters into brazil.

  • by Stormwatch ( 703920 ) <rodrigogirao@POL ... om minus painter> on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @06:17PM (#44888619) Homepage

    Dunno about the chips, but the government has been pushing for free software for over a decade now. Personal anecdote: I worked a temp job in a public organization, and all the machines there ran Ubuntu, except for one with Windows XP (no idea why), and a support guy brought his own Macbook.

  • Re:Dear Facebook.... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Uberbah ( 647458 ) on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @06:26PM (#44888669)

    Right. Just like how every time Google has been threatened with having local regulations applied to them in France or Germany or what have you, the for-profit corporation writes off the countries involved and pulls up shop.

    Unless they, you know, cave. Which is pretty much every time.

  • Re:Well, obviously (Score:3, Informative)

    by Em Adespoton ( 792954 ) <slashdotonly.1.adespoton@spamgourmet.com> on Thursday September 19, 2013 @12:45AM (#44890857) Homepage Journal

    So Brazil will tap and decrypt all internet traffic to enforce this rule?

    As I said, they have no need to tap and decrypt all internet traffic. All they have to do is get the inbound and outbound router data summaries. If all the country's traffic going TO those servers matches the encrypted data going FROM those servers to some location in the US, and all encrypted traffic FROM those servers in the US matches the traffic coming out from the server, it's pretty obvious that nothing's being stored there. Brazil owns the upstream and downstream routers, so this is trivial to check.

    The reason for this is that unlike the US, Brazil has limited backbone connects to the rest of the world. This is part of what they're trying to fix.
    Here's a picture that explains it fairly well:
    http://www.gigaomnimedia.com/images/cable-capacity.jpg [gigaomnimedia.com]
    As you can see, other than one small line via Argentina to Spain, all of Brazil's international traffic goes through the New York or California trunks.

    They're still better off than Australia though, on all things Internet-related.

  • Re:Well, obviously (Score:5, Informative)

    by TheLink ( 130905 ) on Thursday September 19, 2013 @03:15AM (#44891259) Journal
    There's no need to even count the data. If you're actually putting the servers on in the USA instead of Brazil the speed of light will rat you out. Put the servers too far away and the increase in latency becomes noticeable.

    So just require certain servers to respond within X milliseconds. The side effect is it'll make some users and gamers happy :).

    You could still be shipping the data elsewhere for the NSA, but the "transactional" servers would still have to be in Brazil. Detecting the data shipping and spying in this case would be harder since the latencies will be low and the byte counts could be a lot less due to filtering, summarization and compression.

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