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Military Drone Lost Over Lake Ontario 258

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First time accepted submitter slipped_bit writes "An MQ-9 Reaper drone has gone down over Lake Ontario during a practice mission. The flight, being operated by the New York Air National Guard's 174th Attack Wing in Syracuse, NY, was going well for about three hours before contact with the aircraft was lost. A search was started but had to be postponed due to weather."
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Military Drone Lost Over Lake Ontario

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  • by avgjoe62 (558860) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @09:54PM (#45419447)
    Blame Canada!
  • by girlintraining (1395911) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @09:55PM (#45419449)

    In other news, Iran took credit for the downing of this drone as well, saying they have already begun disassembling it and that 'Murica should be very afraid. Pictures have already appeared on the internet of Iranians holding cans of Ginger Ale and eating pancakes, showing their cunning ability to blend in with the indigenous population in order to get close enough to strike at the very heart of the imperialist dogs!

    • by Mistakill (965922)

      In other news, Iran took credit for the downing of this drone as well, saying they have already begun disassembling it and that 'Murica should be very afraid. Pictures have already appeared on the internet of Iranians holding cans of Ginger Ale and eating pancakes, showing their cunning ability to blend in with the indigenous population in order to get close enough to strike at the very heart of the imperialist dogs!

      I heard North Korea did it

      • Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)

        by theshowmecanuck (703852) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:01PM (#45419809) Journal
        No, they just executed 80 people [nationalpost.com] for watching the news at 11.
      • by ae1294 (1547521)

        In other news, Iran took credit for the downing of this drone as well, saying they have already begun disassembling it and that 'Murica should be very afraid. Pictures have already appeared on the internet of Iranians holding cans of Ginger Ale and eating pancakes, showing their cunning ability to blend in with the indigenous population in order to get close enough to strike at the very heart of the imperialist dogs!

        I heard North Korea did it

        Your thinking of their weapons of mass erection project..

    • Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)

      by M. Baranczak (726671) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:37PM (#45419957)

      Nonsense. The drone just hit a deer. Everyone in upstate NY does it sooner or later.

    • by ae1294 (1547521)

      Hey leave my wives out of this!

  • by quax (19371)

    I get my freshwater from there.

    • Re:Bummer (Score:4, Interesting)

      by damn_registrars (1103043) <damn.registrars@gmail.com> on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:37PM (#45419693) Homepage Journal

      I get my freshwater from there.

      Considering how close that is to a nuclear power station [wikipedia.org] I think you might have bigger things to worry about than a military drone that went down in the lake.

      • Never mind the other one across the lake [wikipedia.org] just east of Toronto that used to be the worlds largest nuclear powered generating station. But that one is a CANDU [wikipedia.org] reactor, far less likely to melt down. BTW, the largest nuclear generating station in the world also uses CANDU reactors and is located a little northwest of Toronto [wikipedia.org].
      • by quax (19371)

        Not too worried about our CANDU reactors. They ever so often spell some tritium but given the seize of the lake not really too much of a concern.

    • Re:Bummer (Score:5, Funny)

      by istartedi (132515) on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:47AM (#45420417) Journal

      Not to freak you out but.... 1. Fish defecation. 2. Aquatic bird defecation. 3. Guys on boats in the middle, nobody is looking. 4. Bilge. 5. Poorly maintained outboard motors. 6. Probably some truly horrendous stuff that didn't come to mind in the minute I took to type this while thinking about it.

      On your side, as they say, "The solution to pollution is dilution".

      If you like, you may think of your tap water as homeopathic drone.

      • by quax (19371)

        Yes, but what if they put some really icky radar swallowing paint on their drone? Since all the military tech is top secret I cannot know the dreck that it may contain. I prefer the familiar horrors.

  • practice/fail/practice/fail...the scientific method in action.
    • One would usually want to get one's crashing out of the way with small styrofoam remote controlled airplanes before we fail with big expensive remote controlled airplanes.
  • Forgive My Ignorance (Score:3, Interesting)

    by FrankDrebin (238464) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:01PM (#45419495) Homepage
    But why does a state national guard have an attack wing?
    • by icebike (68054)

      They used to fly F16s.
      Its not unusual for ANG wings be have attack capabilities.

      Especially near those Dreaded Canadians.

    • by Deadstick (535032) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:24PM (#45419617)

      Guard units have a nicely dovetailed dual role. Most of the time they act as reserve squadrons for the Air Force, and can be deployed overseas. The rest of the time, their ground organizational structure, which ordinarily keeps their aircraft and crews ready to go, can be mobilized on a moment's notice to deal with local disasters.

    • by Guppy06 (410832) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:25PM (#45419625)

      The National Guard is simultaneously both a state militia and federal reserve force, with Uncle Sam getting priortiy. For all intents and purposes they are Air Force whenever the Pentagon wants them to be.

      • by theshowmecanuck (703852) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:26PM (#45419909) Journal
        It also serves to remind people of the idea that the U.S.A. is a group of united states. The Guard units really answer to the Governors and are each states' mini-armed forces, even if they are occasionally assigned to work with the federal armed forces.
        • It also serves to remind people of the idea that the U.S.A. is a group of united states. The Guard units really answer to the Governors and are each states' mini-armed forces, even if they are occasionally assigned to work with the federal armed forces.

          And the U.K. is a group of united kingdoms. Fuck, I hope Scotland and Wales get their own mini-armed forces! Northern Ireland already kind of does if you count the paramilitaries!

          • British Army regiments have individual identities, with many of them identifying with home areas around the UK, so in essence Scotland and Wales do have their own armies as there are Scottish and Welsh regiments.

        • by Guppy06 (410832)

          The Guard units really answer to the Governors

          Presidents Eisenhower [wikipedia.org] and Kennedy [wikipedia.org] disagree.

          Many (but not all) states do continue to maintain their own "state guard" militias, over which the federal government has only limited constitutional control over. But the Pentagon generally has little use for "soldiers" they aren't even allowed to train, let alone appoint commanding officers for. The National Guard is a federal construct designed specifically to get around those limitations, by creating federal units with federal money that the states can maybe

        • The Guard units really answer to the Governors and are each states' mini-armed forces, even if they are occasionally assigned to work with the federal armed forces.

          That hasn't been true for years. Over the past century the Guard has increasingly been part of the regular forces and under Federal control.

    • by LWATCDR (28044)

      ANG actually often function as Air Force reserve units. The ones along the boarder with Canada used to specialize in air defense aka interceptor missions back in when the US actually cared about defending it's air space but more than a few have been attack units for a long time. Just think of them as reserve units.

  • So what (Score:2, Funny)

    by cachimaster (127194)

    15 million dollars in equipment was lost. What's the big deal? I'm sure they spend that much in air-conditioning per day.

    • 15 million dollars in equipment was lost. What's the big deal? I'm sure they spend that much in air-conditioning per day.

      This time it was unintentional.

    • Not in Syracuse they don't.

    • Re:So what (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Biff Stu (654099) on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:07AM (#45420053)

      Exactly my thought. If an F-22 went down over Lake Ontario on a training mission, we would have a dead pilot, and lost $150 million aircraft, which can't be replaced. The F-22 loss might have been noted on CNN, but certainly wouldn't have been /. worthy. So, here we lost a $12.5 million aircraft, which can be replaced, and nobody dies. Somehow, I doubt that the submitter and the /. editors are pro-drone, but I see this story and think that, to the extent that I actually give a shit, it makes an excellent argument for drones.

  • by hamster_nz (656572) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:04PM (#45419505)

    Call James Bond as an Evil Cat-Patting Genius has taken control of it. We must recover it before they get our launch codes!

    Oh, so this isn't the plot for a movie?

  • Just an accident. And when the first drone "accidentally fires" on a US citizen... what then?

    • by LWATCDR (28044)

      1. Do you know how rarely aircraft fly with live air to ground ordinance in US air space? Live fire practice is actually pretty rare and the bad PR of an F-16 fully loaded with bombs crashing into a shopping mall is very hight.
      2. Why is it any more likely to happen with a drone than a manned aircraft and the federal government has had them for a century now.
      3, You do know that it is man at the controls when a drone fires correct? Just like in a manned attack aircraft.
      So runaway fear is alive and well on sla

      • by tragedy (27079)

        1. Do you know how rarely aircraft fly with live air to ground ordinance in US air space?

        No. Mostly because that sort of thing would be kept a military secret. We know more about what sort of things happened in the past, from declassified records. The 1961 Goldsboro NC loss of two 2.5 Megaton nukes springs to mind. At least one of them had all but one of its safety mechanisms triggered and nearly detonated, which would have killed everything in a 17 mile radius. The core of one of the stages of one of the bombs is still buried deep below the site.

        So, there's at least a little historical precede

        • by LWATCDR (28044)

          Actually no. That was back in 1961 when SAC flew airborne alerts and probably long before you where born. You do not think people learn? Besides I was replying to the implication that the a drone would be targeted at someone in the US.
          As to worry? The weapons that drones carry at least to day are small compared to what manned aircraft carry. On a good note the US and USSR have an agreement to not fly nukes in their warplanes in time of peace. That is one of the reason for the freak out when a B52 flew with

        • by Sarten-X (1102295) on Thursday November 14, 2013 @08:05AM (#45421707) Homepage

          And that's a good reason why they don't actually do such things often these days.

          1961 was in the middle of the Cold War. The armed B-52 was not in the air for practice - it was on an actual mission, waiting for the Soviets to strike first before it'd fly off to strike Soviet targets. Since there are no enemies today that have the Soviet's first-strike capability that we feared so much, there's no real need to keep live weapons in the air.

    • by gl4ss (559668)

      they've been used for it on purpose.. not reportedly on american soil but really does that make any difference? enemies of the state don't get arrest attempts now, just blown away along with whoever happens to be nearby.

  • by the_skywise (189793) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:10PM (#45419543)

    (With apologies to Johnny Five...)

  • by sandbagger (654585) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:17PM (#45419585)

    Newsflash on CBC.

  • by s.petry (762400) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:43PM (#45419723)

    The drone was attached to the New York Air National Guard’s 174th Fighter Wing – the first fighter squadron to be converted from piloted F-16s to an all-drone force.

    Wait, what? An F-16 capable of carrying near 18,000 lbs of weapons and flying at mach 2+ is replaced by a drone flying at 240Mph carrying 3800lbs? Well, I'll be danged if someone in the DOD should not be fired for that decision. I could see it if they replace a squadron of A-10s with hundreds of these for close air support, but F-16s?

    There have been numerous previous crashes of Reaper drones. Drones are expected to see much wider civilian use in the United States when the first federal permits are issued, which is expected in 2015, and regulators are keenly examining such crashes as they develop safety guidelines. The international market for drones is also expanding.

    Okay, so they don't have a good safety record and we accept that since it's Defense. I'm good with this, but then they state...

    “I have quite a bit of confidence in the safety of the airplane,” he said. “If you compare it to other platforms or aircraft that are flown by the Air Force You’ll see that it’s a much safer platform.”

    So they have a higher crash record than any manned platform, no feedback for what is going wrong, yet somehow they are a "safer platform"? I guess that depends on what you are keeping safe. Pilots, okay. Tax money? Nope. Our borders? Nope, not that either.

    As long as they hype the drones, people ignore why we have those for "Defending our borders". The ANG role is the last line of defense against an invading air-force. Reapers and Predators can't shoot down a MIG or SU of any type. Seems like a huge conflict of interest to man the ANG with these.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:01PM (#45419805)

      Are you really concerned about an invasion of the US mainland that will entail MIGs? You realize the cold war ended 25 years ago right?

      You also realize the cost of a drone verse the cost of an F-16 that will never be deployed? I think your complaints about tax dollars are a little skewed.

    • If it can replace one brave guy in the cockpit with one coward in a bunker I'm sure the USA will be ALL for it.

    • Wait, what? An F-16 capable of carrying near 18,000 lbs of weapons and flying at mach 2+ is replaced by a drone flying at 240Mph carrying 3800lbs? Well, I'll be danged if someone in the DOD should not be fired for that decision.

      The usual fate of an upstate New York air base is to be closed or re-purposed. Keeping F-16s and their pilots at operational readiness is expensive --- and it is an expense that is increasingly hard to justify.

    • by tragedy (27079)

      Wait, what? An F-16 capable of carrying near 18,000 lbs of weapons and flying at mach 2+ is replaced by a drone flying at 240Mph carrying 3800lbs?

      It wouldn't be so bad if the Reaper were actually cheaper than an F-16. It looks like it's presently more expensive than some models of F-16, although the price may come down over time. You would think someone would have just come up with a remote control module for the F-16.

    • by echucker (570962)
      Wait, what? An F-16 capable of carrying near 18,000 lbs of weapons and flying at mach 2+ is replaced by a drone flying at 240Mph carrying 3800lbs? Well, I'll be danged if someone in the DOD should not be fired for that decision. I could see it if they replace a squadron of A-10s with hundreds of these for close air support, but F-16s?

      And the true irony here is that The Boys from Syracuse used to be an A-10 unit before they went to F-16s. And what did they do with them when they went to the Gulf back in 1
  • Ogopogo (Score:4, Funny)

    by PPH (736903) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:47PM (#45419741)

    Flying in low over the lake, the last image captured was a tentacle reaching up .....

    • by rueger (210566)
      Wrong lake. Also, Ogopogo [wikimedia.org] doesn't have tentacles.

      Yeah, I grew up in Ogopogo's back yard and probably waterskiied over him a thousand times.
  • The drone was attached to the New York Air National Guard’s 174th Fighter Wing

    They found it. Apparently it got stuck to one of the fighters.

  • by the eric conspiracy (20178) on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:03PM (#45419823)

    Having lived in Syracuse I'd say forget searching any time other than July and August.

    Damn worst weather in the US.

  • Oh sure, a "practice" mission.
  • Ontario, it is known
    Never gives up a drone
    When the winds of November come early

  • ... the power of poutine !!!

  • I think there's something wrong... with my head.

    I read the tag as "SuperMangoTit" and was going to look it up on KnowYourMeme.com.

    Don't worry, I figured it out before it went that far.

    Side note: I like the way other sites use underscores to replace spaces in tags. Makes tags much more readable.

  • I guess they'll have to postpone the invasion of Canada.
  • we better start posting fliers on telephone poles now.

    Have you seen this drone?
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  • For sale: Used, slightly wet MQ-9 reaper drone, responds to the name Fido.

  • anti-aircraft canoes will be known around the world. Moo haa haa haa.

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