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PC Makers Plan Rebellion Against Microsoft At CES 564

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Velcroman1 writes "Fearing rapidly plummeting sales of traditional laptops and desktop computers — which fell by another 10 percent or so in 2013 — manufacturers are planning a revolt against Microsoft and the Windows operating system, analysts say. At the 2014 CES in Las Vegas, multiple computer makers will unveil systems that simultaneously run two different operating systems, both Windows and the Android OS that powers many of the world's tablets and smartphones, two different analysts said recently. The new devices will be called 'PC Plus' machines, explained analyst Tim Bajarin. 'A PC Plus machine will run Windows 8.1 but will also run Android apps as well,' Bajarin wrote. Another analyst put the threat to Windows bluntly: 'This should scare the heck out of Microsoft.'"
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PC Makers Plan Rebellion Against Microsoft At CES

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  • Re:Ugh (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27, 2013 @06:44PM (#45800869)
    To top it off, it's nothing new. Systems like this were released and failed miserably a few years ago. It's a stupid "feature", nobody used it.

    I'm sure this really has Microsoft quaking in their booties. /sarcasm
  • Re:Ugh (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27, 2013 @06:59PM (#45801023)
    You're right, there's even less need for this feature now, since Windows 8 boots from cold faster than Vista and 7 and SSDs are much more affordable.

    The initial push behind this idea was as a workaround to slow boot times in case you just needed to hop on and check your email, browse the web, etc. It's an idea whose time has come and gone, it won't gain any more traction the second time around.
  • by Chas (5144) on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:02PM (#45801065) Homepage Journal

    Why the hell would this scare Microsoft?

    Microsoft is ALREADY making billions off Android royalties [].

    Plus these vendors are already contractually obligated to pay the Microsoft tax REGARDLESS of what OS they load onto a system.

    This would be a perfect trifecta for Redmond. Microsoft will just look at this and go "We'll get a royalty? WIN! We'll still get our OS tax? WIN! We don't have to support it? WIN!"

  • by mrchaotica (681592) * on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:16PM (#45801243)

    What part of "multiple computer makers [are] planning a revolt" do you not understand? They're acting collectively, and if Microsoft refuses them then no Windows machines would be sold at all.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:20PM (#45801303)

    Doesn't work. Microsoft doesn't allow the full support in Mono... Little things would work, but the more extensive support just isn't there.

    And it is under constant thread from Microsoft for lawsuits.

  • by raymorris (2726007) on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:21PM (#45801325)

    I take it you thought these devices are dual boot, Windows OR Android. They are not. Instead, the run BOTH simultaneously, so it runs Android and Windows applications on the same screen. I started to say the same desktop, but of course Microsoft has thrown out the desktop metaphor in a return to Windows 3.1 style single-tasking.

  • People! (Score:5, Informative)

    by roc97007 (608802) on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:27PM (#45801375) Journal

    People people people! Read TFA! These laptops are running Windows and not anything but Windows. This "two OSs at once" crap is just that. They support the Android API, so (some) Android apps will run on Windows. That's all. There's a lot less here than meets the eye.

    So there's no use saying they should have picked Chrome OS or Linux or some other OS to run in conjunction with the Windows OS, because they're not running anything but the Windows OS. Sorry to be a buzzkill.

  • by Joe Behymer (2827761) on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:52PM (#45801597) [] Here's a good place to start: [] There are examples of games with of 95% code re-use across Windows Phone, iOS, and Android.
  • Re:Yeah right. (Score:5, Informative)

    by redmid17 (1217076) on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:53PM (#45801611)
    Windows 8 lets you do all of those OOB except the miniature programs. I want to arrange icons in a meaningful way on a desktop, both programs and functions. - same as Win 7. You can lay them out how you want.

    I want to extend the right click context menu - same as Win 7-zip managed to add itself to my context menu. I rarely add anything to it but it's clearly possible

    I want to be able to have a variety of windows of various sizes open, not just full, 1/4, 3/4. - same as Win 7. You can manually resize windows. Using the snap feature obviously is going to change that, and the Metro app annoyingly default to full screen. I avoid that by not using them.

    I'd like to be able to type the first X letters of a program, have a self-shrinking list of all executable on my computer narrow down as I type (the start menu functionality) - same as Win 7. Hit the windows key and start typing.

    Maybe I was missing something but a lot of that list is unnecessary criticism. There are plenty of valid criticisms of Windows 8 and 8.1, but 95% of it can simply be bypassed by choosing "boot to desktop" or just hitting the desktop tile when you log in. It's dumb it came to that but should hardly be that much of a detriment to a Slashdotter.

  • Re:Ugh (Score:5, Informative)

    by hairyfeet (841228) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {}> on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:53PM (#45801613) Journal

    Well if they do it right it can be damned nice and useful. I have a EEE netbook that has both Win 7 X64 and Expressgate and I have to say that when i just need to check my email, find out some quick fact, do a price check on a part for a customer? Having an OS that is ready to go in under 6 seconds is pretty damned handy.

    So don't think of it as a "dual boot", think of it as a fast limited mobile OS and a bigger slower full featured OS where you choose what would be best for your needs at that moment. If done right this could fix my one complaint about Expressgate, which was how big of a PITA it was to add new apps. If I could get the speed of Expressgate combined with the ease of adding apps through Google Play? Sounds like a winner to me. Its just too bad it'll probably be impossible for guys like me to simply replace Expressgate with Android as I'm quite happy with my netbook and really don't see a point on sinking a pile of money for a new unit when this one runs great.

  • Re:Ugh (Score:4, Informative)

    by Chalnoth (1334923) on Friday December 27, 2013 @10:20PM (#45802547)
    Read the article. This is for devices that are convertible between tablet and laptop configurations with the help of a detachable keyboard. They also mention that they use an emulation layer for Android support. This is entirely believable, as Android has a Java-like interface, such that emulation essentially means building a Java-like virtual machine that has good performance. It's also not that big of a blow to MS, as MS still gets to sell the OS.
  • by Eravnrekaree (467752) on Saturday December 28, 2013 @12:12AM (#45802997)

    Mono cannot allow an easy path to allow code written for .NET to run on Linux when it does not support major parts of .NET, the presentation foundation. This severely limits portability as well as functionality for developers. Few developers will care about Mono as a result.

  • Re:Ugh (Score:5, Informative)

    by Paradigma11 (645246) <> on Saturday December 28, 2013 @04:00AM (#45803731)

    Probably won't be able to disable SecureBoot. That's what makes it better!

    If it is a certified for Windows 8 x86 machine then it MUST be possible to disable SecureBoot. But you probably already knew that.

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