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Google Confirms Shut Down of Schemer

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  • Here we go again... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Frosty Piss (770223) * on Sunday January 12, 2014 @05:34PM (#45933959)

    Google confirms it will shut down goal sharing service Schemer...

    Queue the folks who built their entire business plan around this free service and will now bleat about how unfair it is, proving once again the Google == Apple == "Micro$oft" == pure corporate evil.

  • Google Plus (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MrEricSir (398214) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @05:40PM (#45933985) Homepage

    How long until they shut down Google Plus? Please tell me it's soon.

  • Where? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Chompjil (2746865) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @05:45PM (#45934017)
    I never heard of thisbut now that I have it looks intresting
  • by Nerdfest (867930) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @06:15PM (#45934193)

    Well, unless it's based on a a free, open protocol that you can host yourself if required.

  • by Urkki (668283) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @06:33PM (#45934301)

    Something about Google today makes me want to run to Microsoft's arms. At a time I even entertained the idea of working (well, seriously applying) for Google, when life situation would allow relocating. But something has gone sour, like milk. First there was just something in the taste, now it seems there are clumps in it already. Wave. Reader. Insistence of linking everything together in ways I am not comfortable with. This. Soon Scholar?

    Who in their right mind is going to make any kind of investment (of time and effort) into any of Google's future stuff? Not me.

  • by jtownatpunk.net (245670) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @06:40PM (#45934341)

    Raises hand.

    My last company decided to Googleize just as I was leaving. The VeeP who set it in motion had a list of services he wanted. Thing is, we already provided nearly everything he wanted and none of the things he wanted were unique to Google's offerings. Even back then, there was a pretty significant list of services that Google had shut down and it was clear that it would be risky to heavily integrate anything beyond docs and email into our business practices. I have no idea how it turned out because my last day was in the middle of the transition.

  • by DTemp (1086779) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @06:51PM (#45934381)

    I had only heard of it because I found the iTunes page where they list all of the apps by Google. There are a couple others most people have never heard of there.

  • by excelsior_gr (969383) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @07:18PM (#45934499)

    On the other hand, kudos to Google for not using their dominance in mail, search, Android and other services/products for trying to push Schemer down the throats of their users. They had a product, it didn't fly on its own, it's OK for it to die. Which is not what other companies are doing with bloatware software on phones, tablets and laptops. Nobody got a killer app by doing this and the people at Google seem to realize this.

  • by Swampash (1131503) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @07:19PM (#45934507)

    Google in many ways looks like Microsoft of the early 2000s. It has lots of bright people, lots of money, and has an enormous range of products that make no money while being sustained by one monopoly product that makes incredible money. It was lucky enough to be the Last Big Thing before Apple hit top gear and it's desperate to find the Next Big Thing before it falls behind.

    In its approach to products, however, Google is more accurately the ANTI-Apple. Apple starts from "what do customers need?" and ruthlessly eliminates everything but the purest core product that meets that customer need. Apple focuses on a tiny number of things that people want and does them as perfectly as it can within the time it has at a price that no competitor can match.

    Google on the other hand starts from "what cool shit can we do and how can we make money out of it?" "Hey employees, spend 20% of your time brainstorming cool stuff, we'll see if we can use that shit". Google then dribbles ALL OF THAT SHIT out - not launches, dribbles - in broken half-finished beta versions and then waits to see if anything works. Google has no product focus and just has a nonstop conveyor belt of "cool shit" projects coming out the door - Answers, Jotbot, Jaiku, Notebook, Sidewiki, Gears, Wave, Buzz, etc etc etc - that die because they are technically nifty solutions to problems that nobody actually has. Even when something potentially cool like Google+ comes off the production line it's fighting an uphill battle from day one - is fundamentally crippled - because no thought has been given to how people will actually use it.

  • Re:Google Plus (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Adult film producer (866485) <van@i2pmail.org> on Sunday January 12, 2014 @07:41PM (#45934593)
    The Google+ integration with Youtube has forced me to turn comments off on my channel and link people to my own domain where I use Disqus for comments. I only have 7200+ subscribers but the new comments sections on youtube is unwieldly and very difficult to manage, especially because it's combined with Google+.
  • by hairyfeet (841228) <bassbeast1968@ g m a i l.com> on Sunday January 12, 2014 @08:27PM (#45934813) Journal

    In reality it shows what many of us have known for awhile now, which is that Google, like every other western corp, can't be counted on for anything whether you pay for it or not. FYI Google WAS getting paid for this, Google Reader, and every other app they shuttered THROUGH ADS, THAT is their business model, THAT is what they based the company on, now they are acting like "if it don't make iMoney it ain't worth having" and THAT is what is wrong with western corps and why they frankly ain't worth shit anymore.

    Take IBM's PC division, they were making between 8-12% profit every year, year after year. But you see while most countries have companies that would say "solid profits every quarter, that's good right?" they weren't making the same as the #1 company of the time which was Dell, so out it had to go! I bet my last dollar that if you looked at all the apps Google has killed, Reader, Buzz, this? That they were all making a profit but it wasn't the profit of (insert #1 company) so it doesn't matter, its worthless.

    This is why I've been telling people that actually like Google+ "Don't care about it, look at it as a throw away fly by night service as Google WILL shit all over it trying to make it FB and when it don't make FB money? It'll be shitcanned" and I have been saying this for months. Now what do we see? Google shitting on Google+ AND on Gmail [osnews.com] by making it so ANYBODY can add you to a circle and then spam you. its opt OUT not opt in, why? because G+ isn't making FB money, that's why! this is why you can consider every bit of Google to be as worthless as any fly by night, because if it isn't #1? It WILL be shit on and shitcanned, because all that exists is #1 as far as western business is concerned. being #2? is being shit, doesn't matter if its profitable, doesn't matter if its growing, its not #1 so its shit, its worthless.

  • by Tool Man (9826) on Sunday January 12, 2014 @08:35PM (#45934855)

    Well, unless it's based on a a free, open protocol that you can host yourself if required.

    And you can easily get your data out of the system. Because if you cannot get your data, you cannot host it elsewhere.

    That part at least is something that Google does put some work into. You can use Google Takeout to get quite a bit back, in a form you may conceivably use elsewhere. Not sure about Schemer specifically though.

  • Re:Where? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by VortexCortex (1117377) <VortexCortex AT ... trograde DOT com> on Monday January 13, 2014 @12:07AM (#45936279)

    That's my reaction to many of the news stories about Google shutting down a service. You'd think Google of all companies wouldn't be so shitty at advertising.

    My grandfather was a tile setter. Everything from huge granite slabs inside office buildings and store-fronts to tiny bathroom tile mosaics. His kitchen needed to be retiled, but he was always too tired after work. His house was in such state since before I was born. He retired and still his bathroom and kitchen needed tile work badly. I helped him with electrical remodels, cabinetry, painting, but when it came to the tile work, he'd do it himself. Now he's too old to do it himself, so I retiled his house of 60 years with him supervising and barely able to walk, using the tools he left me and the techniques and tricks of the trade he taught me.

    I'm a programmer and cyberneticist -- an OS and game developer by hobby -- I live to code, I do computer security research wherein I discover and report exploits and even create guidelines and OS paradigms so that such bugs can not crop up again... I haven't applied my OS updates in 2 months. Granted, I don't use OSs I haven't built myself for anything requiring security, but still... I hear news of ransomware encrypting machines, and leave my cold backups -- the only preventative measure -- out of date and incomplete. My game's enemy AI code still needs training -- brain the size of small planets, but only chaotic wiring therein. I'm still having too much fun setting selection pressures and environment variables such that the simple powerups evolve to run screaming from the players, not wanting to get eaten. There's a bug in my hobby OS's heap allocator where the first block allocated can't be freed properly -- meh, that only happens on shutdown anyway, It's a simple error in the linked list via hash table, I'll get around to fixing it someday.

    My mechanic friend drives a car that's severely in need of engine and body work. My neighbour is a commercial painter, has all the equipment and sprayers, and yet their garage's paint is flaking off leaving the boards in danger of rotting around the very paint cans they contain. I know a nurse who smokes and drinks and eats herself unhealthy consistently, she'll even say matter of factly, "I've stayed up late enough tonight I'll probably be sick by next week, so I can't afford to go out tomorrow."

    And now you mention that Google -- The largest Advertising company online -- has shitty advertising for its own products? Well, at once I find this obvious -- par for the course -- yet am also amazed by the cybernetic implications. Probably some phenomena like confirmation bias, but the exact opposite in every detail while remaining largely the same mathematically -- a false satisfaction bias? Rather than add the ability to react appropriately firing off with deadly accuracy, perhaps tonight I'll model the mechanism by which the game's enemies' just fail to kill their hated bosses via defeatist self loathing.

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