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Windows 9 Already? Apparently, Yes. 1009

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from the gift-that-keeps-on-giving dept.
Nerval's Lobster writes "A little over a year after Microsoft released Windows 8, and a mere three months after it pushed out a major update with Windows 8.1, rumors abound that Windows 9 is already on its way. According to Paul Thurrott's Supersite for Windows, Microsoft will begin discussing the next version of Windows (codenamed 'Threshold,' at least for the moment) at April's BUILD conference. 'Threshold is more important than any specific updates, he wrote. 'Windows 8 is tanking harder than Microsoft is comfortable discussing in public, and the latest release, Windows 8.1, which is a substantial and free upgrade with major improvements over the original release, is in use on less than 25 million PCs at the moment.' Microsoft intends Threshold to clean up at least a portion of Windows 8's mess. Development on the latest operating system will supposedly begin in late April, which means developers who attend BUILD won't have access to an early alpha release—in fact, it could be quite some time before Microsoft locks down any new features, although it might double down on Windows 8's controversial 'Modern' (previously known as 'Metro') design interface. Yet if Thurrott's reporting proves correct, Microsoft isn't abandoning the new Windows interface that earned such a lackluster response—it's betting that the format, once tweaked, will somehow revive the operating system's fortunes. With Ballmer leaving the company and a major reorganization underway, it'll be the next Microsoft CEO's task to make sure that Windows 9 is a hit; in fact, considering that rumored 2015 release date, shepherding the OS could become that executive's first major test."
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Windows 9 Already? Apparently, Yes.

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  • by Guspaz (556486) on Monday January 13, 2014 @01:56PM (#45941381)

    In the mean time, Stardock's ModernMix does exactly that (run metro apps in a regular window). Combine that with their Start8 app and Windows 8 is a perfectly comfortable experience for a Windows 7 user.

  • by saleenS281 (859657) on Monday January 13, 2014 @02:03PM (#45941531) Homepage
    Microsoft stated with Windows 8 that they'd be moving to a far faster release cadence. What's with the surprise? The version number change... or? The title says it all - Windows 8 was released a year ago, windows 8.1 3 months ago. If they're going to get Windows 9 out the door anytime soon to follow the faster release cadence they'd HAVE to be working on it already. They probably started the second that Windows 8 shipped. Since everyone here appears to have a ridiculously short memory, let me remind you what was stated at Build 2013: []
  • Re:Metro on servers (Score:5, Informative)

    by mjwx (966435) on Monday January 13, 2014 @02:18PM (#45941767)

    Metro on servers is a big turn off but MS will be slow to accept that server admins have different GUI needs. Sure core is catching on some but the GUI users will stick around until forced to use powershell.

    The problem isn't GUI users, its the fact Powershell is complete shite.

    All this time I cant get a basic instruction on how Powershell works without getting a 500 page book. Learning Linux and AIX wasn't this hard (granted the Linux training covered a lot of the AIX ground).

    Also you have to deal with different versions of Powershell, I once spent an entire day constructing a Powershell script for Exchange 2007 only to find out it required Powershell v3 and only v2 was installed on 2008 by default. It was easier to get management to give up on the idea then go through change control to get Powershell updated.

  • Re:9.1 (Score:5, Informative)

    by smooth wombat (796938) on Monday January 13, 2014 @02:21PM (#45941845) Homepage Journal
    the gradual removal of control,

    Tell me about it. Going from XP to W7 was horrible with things being hidden or removed. I'm still able to do things much more quickly in XP than in 7, the response is snappier in XP than 7, the list goes on.

    W7 was a mess, 8 is a nightmare. I don't want to imagine how bad 9 will be.
  • Re:9.1 (Score:4, Informative)

    by Quince alPillan (677281) on Monday January 13, 2014 @02:31PM (#45941981)
    Both business-class OSes and not meant for the home consumer.
  • by Tridus (79566) on Monday January 13, 2014 @02:40PM (#45942127) Homepage

    Making their desktop/laptop users hate Metro is not advancing their phone/tablet cause. It's the opposite. Nobody who has a bad experience with Metro on their PC is going to go looking for it in another environment.

    They needed to make using Metro painless on PC for that strategy to work, and they failed in spectacular fashion. It's time to give PC users what they want and make Metro a secondary thing in that environment, because it simply works badly on PC and forcing it hurts their other product lines.

  • Re:9.1 (Score:5, Informative)

    by danomac (1032160) on Monday January 13, 2014 @02:51PM (#45942307)

    Windows 7 did move around a bunch of things, especially in the control panel. And of course this followed suit with the registry which impacts group policy - this means that you had to have two GPOs (one for XP, one for W7) to do something as basic as setting and enforcing a screen saver. Talk about a manageability mess.

    My experience with Windows 8 was horrid. Yes, Metro is very annoying to a desktop user, but they've just plain removed things from Windows 8, like the ability to remove a saved wifi connection. There's no GUI way that I could find to remove it, I had to use the terminal to list and remove a saved connection using netsh. What the hell were they thinking? And this is just ONE example that I've noticed with Windows 8.

  • Re:MS H8 (Score:4, Informative)

    by jones_supa (887896) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:03PM (#45942503)
    This. Even if Win8 comes with the funky UI, I'm still mostly happy with the quality of software Microsoft puts out these days. In the past their stuff was unstable, bloated, and had major security problems. These serious problems have now been fixed for the most part.
  • Re:9.1 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Joce640k (829181) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:18PM (#45942701) Homepage

    Touch screen technology has been available for decades. Why do we not see touch screen monitors all over the place?

    Answer: "Gorilla Arm Syndrome".

    And fingerprints.

  • by tepples (727027) <> on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:50PM (#45943189) Homepage Journal
    The only advantage I can think of for Modern UI/Windows Runtime in Windows 8 is that it lets you buy an app once and run it on both your Windows RT tablet and your desktop PC.
  • by schlachter (862210) on Monday January 13, 2014 @04:14PM (#45943495)

    The only time I use windows to get work done is when I'm forced to due to compatibility issues.
    Otherwise, I find it tedious to get work done in Windows, in comparison to OS X or Linux.

  • Re:9.1 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Gadget_Guy (627405) on Monday January 13, 2014 @05:18PM (#45944295)

    I think that a lot of people who love the Metro interface must have upgraded from XP to Windows 8, and so attribute improvements in previous versions of Windows to the Win8.

    Power users should like metro better than the start menu. Once open, you just start typing and the app or file you intended to work with is ready to launch after about 3-4 letters typed. Its like a full screen graphical console.

    That is not a Metro feature. It has been in all Windows since Vista (with the exception of the part where it takes up your entire screen). The difference was that Win8 split the results into files, apps and settings which then required more keystrokes (our mouse clicks) to get to the entry that you wanted. The 8.1 restored this functionality.

    With metro the 5-6 applications that i use really frequently i can pin right in front of my face instead of digging through folders.

    Whereas from Vista onwards, your 5-6 applications that you use frequently would be automatically shown on your start menu without having to pin them (although you do have that option too).

    With 8.1 metro, my "start" area doesn't get bogged down with a bunch of bullshit just because I installed 1 new app - a BIG WIN in my book.

    Once again, this is a Vista feature. Like Metro, you have to go into a different section to see the full start menu that we knew from the days of XP and earlier. But installing a new app will normally just add a single main icon to your start menu, and you click on "All Programs" to see the full group of icons. The difference with Windows 8 is that it is not obvious how to get to the full list of programs in Metro, although the 8.1 upgrade did give a small down arrow button to get to it.

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