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German Chancellor Proposes European Communications Network 197

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An anonymous reader sends word that German Chancellor Angela Merkel wants to build a European communication network to keep data transmission away from the United States. She plans to discuss the issue with French President Francois Hollande. "Merkel said in her weekly podcast that she disapproved of companies such as Google and Facebook basing their operations in countries with low levels of data protection while being active in countries such as Germany with high data protection. 'We'll talk with France about how we can maintain a high level of data protection,' Merkel said. 'Above all, we'll talk about European providers that offer security for our citizens, so that one shouldn't have to send emails and other information across the Atlantic. Rather, one could build up a communication network inside Europe.' Hollande's office confirmed that the governments had been discussing the matter and said Paris agreed with Berlin's proposals."
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German Chancellor Proposes European Communications Network

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  • as they say (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 16, 2014 @06:29AM (#46258767)

    "He may be a bastard, but he's our bastard"
      I'd much prefer the data to be captured by European organizations than the NSA.

  • Re:Just a Band-aid (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Coeurderoy (717228) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @06:42AM (#46258793)

    Then at least there is an option to protest against the local "legally bad guy", the US is destroying democracy because in practice voting anywhere outside of the US is useless.
    Either you live in a dictatorship (Like for instance Equatorial Guinéa wich is protected by the US petrol industry and whose "president" gets elected with 95+ % whenever he feels bored) and then voting is just a "show", or you live in a democracy, and then it does not matter who you are voting for because the US economy is basically bullying whom ever was elected into working in the way most profitable for the US, and the only choice is to be hurt "right now" by sanctions (and loose the next election) or being hurt by bad policies in a couple of year (and hopefully it will be the oposition's mess to handle)...

    So unless the European Union starts to fess up and do exactly the kind of things Angela Merkel is proposing the world would be split between a disfunctional democracy (the US) and non democratic countries, where the most powerful is the one run by the Chinese "communist" party, not the most desirable outcome...
    Including not very desirable for 99% of the US citizens, since it would end up with a small "elite" protected by an overreaching army and the rest of the citizens not really "needed" by the elite (with the exception of a minority of plumber, waitresses, hookers and other "personal service providers" ...)

  • Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by petes_PoV (912422) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @06:56AM (#46258851)

    Are there even any ...

    I think you've missed the whole point of this. The basic problem is that any packets that touch american soil become subject to american surveillance and american law. Even if the data / email / web pages are only transiting, fron one "free" country to another.

    This is clearly unacceptable and since the americans don't have any motivation to fix the problem, the rest of the world (or at least: countries in Europe, at this stage) will just find a way to bypass it.

    As the old saying goes: The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.

  • by Opportunist (166417) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @07:42AM (#46258935)

    Whenever Merkel makes a comment, I instantly wonder what her real intentions are. And this time it didn't take long, she wants control over what information is coming into her area of reign.

    If she was honest about wanting the US spying to end she'd first of all ferret out and shut down the various spying locations still scattered across Germany. It's not like the US never had bases there or shut them all down...

  • Re:So... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by AchilleTalon (540925) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @08:00AM (#46258975) Homepage

    Pretty much studip idea to solve the problem. Encryption is the way to go rather than trying to build a parallel infrastructure which will anyway be subject to laws of the countries where the infrastructure is installed. It doesn't solve anything. It is not like other countries are not spying anyone else.

    In fact, the proposed solution may just create the problem as well. What she propose is what China is building, a network owned by the State, managed by the State and purposedly for the best interest of the State.

  • Re:Why not (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Znork (31774) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @08:06AM (#46258993)

    I'm of no interests to secret services whatsoever

    Yeah, that's not up to you to decide. Someone else will decide that and if your phone was at the wrong place at the wrong time and someone misread or misinterpreted some data you're going to be the guy on the floor with assault rifles pointed at your back and your family screaming around you. Better hope your realize the masked men are the cops so you don't struggle and get shot.

    It's not like those doing the monitoring are certain to be competent or even guaranteed to be sane, and with signal-to-noise ratios being what they are and the extreme rarity of actual terrorists you can be sure that most hits will be false positives. Other people 'of no interest'.

    Intent DOES matter to me and I do not think that any government in western democracies would dare misuse this power for oppressing people.

    Oh, right, because we're not voting any representatives of ideologies that have shown no such restraint into power in Europe. Oh, wait...

    So if you want to keep from being 'of no interest' in the future, better keep from saying anything that could possibly piss off communists, neonazis, religious fundamentalists or anyone else who might possibly wield power in the future during the rest of your life. The archives are going to remain but the intent of today has no binding power over future rulers.

  • Re: as they say (Score:3, Insightful)

    by emakinen (875208) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @08:06AM (#46258997)
    Better to have firewall of EU than global jail by US.
  • Re:as they say (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Luckyo (1726890) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @08:11AM (#46259023)

    When you are threatened by a great evil that wants all data you have, your choices are to firewall yourself off or surrender.

    This is true on both micro or macro scale, and we have discussions on how to protect our data on micro scale here on slashdot all the time. It's quite sad that when people view it as "well it's our evil guy" suddenly massive theft of data becomes completely justified and counter measures undesirable.

  • Re:as they say (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sique (173459) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @09:19AM (#46259179) Homepage
    The U.S. can do very much to an European citizen. Putting him on a no-fly list. Outbidding his company by tipping his bids to their own company. Stealing trade secrets and contract details to competitors. Damaging his reputation by disclosing secrets he has to keep to interesting parties. Letting some accidental data breach happen.
  • Re:as they say (Score:5, Insightful)

    by St.Creed (853824) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @09:44AM (#46259239)

    The U.S. can do very much to an European citizen. Putting him on a no-fly list. Outbidding his company by tipping his bids to their own company. Stealing trade secrets and contract details to competitors. Damaging his reputation by disclosing secrets he has to keep to interesting parties. Letting some accidental data breach happen.

    Yes, I'm sure those things will have an impact on 99% of all EU citizens... Since we all regularly fly to the US doing business versus US competitors. Not.

    Your own government doing this is much more dangerous than any other government: google "schleppnetzfahndung" and "berufsverbot" for nice examples of Germany in the 70's versus the trade unions, dissidents, journalists... they ruined the reputation of hundreds of thousands of people who just didn't toe the line. And it didn't just happen in Germany, lots of examples of EU governments doing stuff like that. Hell, the Greek government only recently removed the requirement that your religion has to be on the passport.

    I'm not a fan of what the NSA has been doing, but let's be clear here: it was with full knowledge and cooperation of most EU intelligence services.

    Socialists say: "the enemy is at home". I find that to be more prophetic every time I read the news, lately.

  • Re:So... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by St.Creed (853824) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @09:49AM (#46259273)

    Of course encryption would solve things. However, encryption would make it more difficult for her OWN intelligence service to spy on the citizens. That would be... double plus ungood.

  • Re:as they say (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sique (173459) on Sunday February 16, 2014 @11:29AM (#46259699) Homepage
    This is all right and fine, but I was just saying that the NSA can't do anything against an E.U. citizen is plainly wrong (and a little naive).

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