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Windows 8 Metro: The Good Kind of Market Segmentation? 389

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nk497 writes "A UX designer working at Microsoft has taken to Reddit to explain why Windows 8's Metro screen isn't designed for power users — but is still good news for them. Jacob Miller, posting as 'pwnies,' said Metro is the 'antithesis of a [power user's desktop],' and designed for 'your computer illiterate little sister,' not for content creators or power users. By splitting Windows into Metro and the desktop, Microsoft has created space for casual users as well as power users." Update: 02/18 18:14 GMT by S : Further explanations from Miller are available now.
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Windows 8 Metro: The Good Kind of Market Segmentation?

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  • Really?!?! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:37AM (#46276427)

    And this would explain why they use the Metro interface on Server 2012? So my illiterate little sister can mange servers in the data center?

    • by i kan reed (749298) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:40AM (#46276463) Homepage Journal

      Have you met most IIS developers?

    • Re:Really?!?! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by x0n (120596) <oisingNO@SPAMiol.ie> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:40AM (#46276465) Homepage Journal

      Not a bad attempt at trolling, but in a data center, server 2012 would likely be a headless server-core instance with no GUI at all. To address your question, I would imagine that developers who choose to develop on a server SKU may want to target Metro/Modern apps so it is available, if required.

      • Re:Really?!?! (Score:5, Informative)

        by i kan reed (749298) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:42AM (#46276495) Homepage Journal

        Sorry to dig in like this, but judging from your site, you're a primary powershell user, and most Microsoft sysadmins... aren't. You're projecting your own usage onto others.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          If you're a real Windows sysadmin today and you're not using powershell you won't remain an admin for long.

          • "Primary" is a critical keyword here and was not included accidentally.

      • by bhcompy (1877290)
        Server core won't work for many applications that require GUI access for configuration or management on the server itself.
        • by tepples (727027)
          Applications that haven't been updated for Server Core won't run on Server Core. So do you ditch Server Core, or do you ditch incompatible applications?
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        You, sir, must be a Linux user. I spend a lot of my day on Windows servers debugging issues and doing deployment tasks. RDP is the standard way to interface with a Windows server, and fucking Metro on 2012 is really annoying.

      • by brainstem (519778)
        Try installing SharePoint on Server 2012 core. The OS components required aren't there unless you install the full GUI (even for a scripted install). Yes, you can temporarily add, then remove them afterwards, but it's still a hack.
      • Hi, as someone with ~6000 Server 2012 boxes in his department, I assure you they are not *likely* server-core in a datacenter setting.
      • Not a bad attempt at trolling,

        Serious?

        but in a data center, server 2012 would likely be a headless server-core instance with no GUI at all.

        Having connected to many hundreds of windows servers throughout the world not a single one was ever running "server core"

        To address your question, I would imagine that developers who choose to develop on a server SKU may want to target Metro/Modern apps so it is available, if required.

        I'm sure this happened...once... in the history of mankind.

        • by gl4ss (559668)

          probably twice. but that's it. there are some people who think that microsoft puts "more robust code" into the server compiles(instead of microsoft just upping some connection limits on them and not make them boot without warning whenever it feels like it).

          but it just tells how fucked up it is that the ux designer has to go on reddit for "damage control". heck, even he doesn't want to fucking use it, but that it's for the magical "mom & pop". just like fucking bob!

          imho the ux designer should just go fuc

      • 99% are NOT headless (Score:5, Interesting)

        by daboochmeister (914039) <daboochmeister.gmail@com> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:34PM (#46277261)
        I don't know what data centers you spend time in, but 99% of the Windows servers I encounter in data centers (maybe more) are explicitly NOT headless. And with the MS certification programs for admins emphasizing the "GUI way" of doing things way too much, there's no reason to expect that to change with Windows Server 2012 adoption.

        In fact, if you accept Azure as the best reference profile for Windows servers, I'm not even sure there's a way to get a headless Windows server on Azure (try searching "site:windowsazure.com headless" if you don't believe me).
      • You can't even use server core for some MS services (CM 2012 comes to mind).

    • No, that's because nobody gives a shit about the UI on a server, so why bother creating a different UI? The Metro interface is good enough to get done what needs to be done while logged in to the server.

      • by Kjella (173770)

        No, that's because nobody gives a shit about the UI on a server, so why bother creating a different UI? The Metro interface is good enough to get done what needs to be done while logged in to the server.

        Which contradicts the whole point about this behind some kind of segmentation, if it were then the workstation/server market would use the traditional desktop. Clearly we shall all use Metro whether we like it or not. Oh well, still 5+ years until my Windows 7 support ends...

      • Re:Really?!?! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by slashmydots (2189826) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:11PM (#46276909)
        I don't care about the UI because I just want to get in and do what I want to do. Since metro thoroughly prevents that, suddenly I care about the UI.
    • "your computer illiterate little sister".....

      What makes you think that little sisters are more computer illiterate than little brothers? Sexist much, Jacob Miller?
  • by grasshoppa (657393) <skennedy.tpno-co@org> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:41AM (#46276471) Homepage

    At least this one admits to working for MS.

    I swear, I have seen more shills flood the internet advocating Windows8 than for any other product in history.

    • by 0123456 (636235) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:48AM (#46276585)

      I'm surprised they admit to being a 'UX designer'. They're so widely hated after the Gnome 3 and Metro debacles that, pretty soon, they'll have to claim they were playing piano in a brothel for those years to make their resume look more reputable.

    • by Joce640k (829181)

      At least this one admits to working for MS.

      I swear, I have seen more shills flood the internet advocating Windows8 than for any other product in history.

      They're probably paying him extra for this little speech.

      Or blackmailing him.

  • mod options (Score:5, Insightful)

    by HybridST (894157) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:42AM (#46276479) Homepage

    Where do I mod this article -1 Flamebait? I'd really like to know.

    • by bigpat (158134)
      I would mod up your post if I had mod points. We really should be able to mod up and down the original post. Since they are overhauling Slashdot.org anyway, I think now would be a good time to introduce this feature. Sure the owners/managers/admins might not always like the results, but it should give them a useful metric about what works, what doesn't and what the community finds useful for starting discussion.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:42AM (#46276485)

    The Windows 8 metro ui drove me mad for months, but because it's still Windows I kept searching for a way to kill them off. Of course I installed Classic shell right away, but finding that way: this: http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-remove-all-bundled-modern-apps-from-your-user-account-in-windows-8/ really fixed Windows 8 for me.

  • The fact that windows does not have this in 2014 is shameful.

  • Because only a 'power' user would find some of the important gestures to figure out how to use that thing.
    • What, move your mouse to the right edge until a huge gutter of icons appears, then clicking "Settings" in order to find a button to shut down / restart isn't your idea of intuitive?

      Remember: this is the company that gave us "start > shut down" - you have to start before you can stop!

  • Bullshit (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Windows 8 is dumbed down in more ways than just this Metro/Desktop schizophrenia.

    A lot of power features are not "hidden". They are GONE.

    If you down want to show them to the causual user that's ok with me..

    But make them optional AND ALLOW TO MAKE THEM DEFAULT for those of us who need to get real work done.

    (Sorry about the shouting, I just spend several hours fighting the usability nightmare that is a 2012 server box.)

    • by Grishnakh (216268)

      Exactly. "pwnies" even says in his posting on Reddit how MS looked at adding multiple desktops to Windows, but in testing they found out that casual users were confused by them. Because of this, they took them out.

      I use multiple desktops on my two computers that run KDE, and of course I use the feature a lot. My wife uses KDE on her laptop too, and she's definitely NOT a power user. Does she get confused by multiple desktops? Nope. It's really simple: I never enabled that feature for her like I did on

  • Whoosh. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:43AM (#46276525)

    This "UX designer" has completely missed the complaint everyone has lodged against Windows 8 and its interface. Nobody cares that there's a new interface added to the system, or even that it's the default. But power users do care that there's no way to bypass it.

    Give us a way to shut it off and restore the original functionality in a control panel somewhere.

    And shut your dumbass mouth, Jacob Miller. We didn't miss the point. You did.

  • If Metro is for the non-power user, then why are so many of its capabilities not easily discoverable? Yes, I really expect grandma to figure out to swipe in from the side. That's just stupid.
  • Don't insult our intelligence. Even so-called "casual" users have been happy with the desktop for decades now. You can't admit that Metro was designed for "your computer illiterate little sister", and then present an upside to the interface. It sucks... end of story.
  • by Bacon Bits (926911) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:49AM (#46276601)

    Because neither Slashdot, nor Neowin, nor PC Pro can apparently do a little goddamn legwork, here's a link to the comment thread [reddit.com] on Reddit.

  • ... does not like the Metro interface. She finds it mostly unusable and not intuitive at all.

    ...Microsoft has created space for casual users as well as power users....

    Not really. What Microsoft did was chase away a significant number of people who were looking for a PC. The sales numbers speak for themselves. If it were only the power users who were avoiding Windows 8, then the sales numbers would not be as bad as they are.

    • by Andrio (2580551) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:01PM (#46276785)

      I posted this story a while back. Still relevant:

      I tried changing the wallpaper on my brother-in-law's Windows 8 laptop the other day. So I downloaded a picture, and opened it after it finished downloading. The picture loaded in the OS' default image viewer. I saw the picture appear, full-screened, and with no interface. I tried right-clicking the picture. That didn't give me a menu, but an interface did fade into appearance. I promptly saw an option to "Set as."

      I clicked it, thinking: "Surely this will let me set the image as the wallpaper", but I was given just two options: set as lockscreen (IT'S A LAPTOP!), and set as 'app tile'

      I immediately closed the window since the option I wanted wasn't there--no wait, actually I didn't close it. There was no UI option to close this fullscreen picture. I alt-tabbed back to the desktop. I found the picture again, right clicked it, and went to the "open with" option. There were like 5 image viewers that came with Windows to choose from. I chose the old "Windows Photo Viewer" and set it as the default so this madness won't happen again.

      • by danbert8 (1024253)

        The first time I had to use Windows 8 it was at a hotel and I was trying to print a PDF. I had to give up... Metro is the worst interface ever. I'm sure if you had a day long training explaining where you randomly move your mouse to so buttons appear it might be usable, but seriously... I'd rather use DOS. I mean if I can only use one application at a time, where is the advantage?

  • Asking if Metro was the good kind of market segmentation is sort of like asking if your wife cheating on you is the 'good' kind of having 'time to ourselves'

    Metro was a bullshit, Clippy, Chicken McNugget version of the iOS design.

    That's *all* it's ever been, and everyone knows this...posting pointless articles about the 'U/X' of Metro is silly. Metro and all Windows products tack on 'U/X' as an afterthought.

    To try to understand good design principles from looking at M$ design process is like learning how to cook by watching a trucker take a shit.

  • Illiterate? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Whose little sister is computer illiterate in 2014? Both of my little sisters are established professionals who have been using computers since they were children, and anyone younger than them has been using computers since birth. This mythical audience doesn't exist except in the minds of "UX Designers".

    • by 0123456 (636235)

      This is the problem with all these new UIs designed by 'UX designers'. They're designed for people who've never used a computer before, and never seen someone use a computer before.

      Which probably means a few dozen Amazon tribes who've never been contacted by the outside world. Not a big market, really.

      • And what's even more funny, is that there have been numerous reporters that have brought their iPad with them to those tribes in the Amazon, or the jungles of the Congo, and they figured out how to use it in about 5 seconds with no instruction whatsoever, as they didn't speak the same language as the reporter.

        Metro / Modern fails in every way except for one: it is a pretty good kiosk interface. Licensors of Windows Embedded will love it - stupidly easy to use with a touchscreen, and you can lock it up lik

  • ... is shite now. It appears to have need Metro-ized (if that's a term). I don't use Windows, but I hear quite a bit from friends who do and complain continually that the UI is devolving into big buttons like child's toys have. Menu functions are increasingly well hidden.

  • user design? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Teunis (678244) <teunis@wi[ ]rsgift.com ['nte' in gap]> on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @11:59AM (#46276749) Homepage Journal
    Metro lacks the user friendliness of a pet rock.
    Learning curve is high enough that an old windows user like me (since the early 90s) can't figure out how to open an application or find where anything I have installed is.
    No menus, no help, no interface, no organization, no context, no structure and too many ads.
    I can't help anyone running windows 8. I can't find applications, documents, programs or interface. I'm not sure what that great scrolling walls of ads is, but it doesn't seem to relate to anything resembling functionality - it's easier to find an installed app using "google play" than it is to use that.

    And forget "power user". I DO know how to open a command shell, and replace the scrolling wall of stupidity with a terrible second-rate wannabe menu that injects ads everywhere. (which is to say, pretty much every start menu replacement)
    I don't actually -need- the start menu - the folders of windows 3 were actually more or less ok.
    If I were running a tablet with this stupidity, it'd probably be tossed across the room.

    It managed to build an interface almost as terrible and in your face as Ubuntu's "Unity". Except that it takes 50-90% of your CPU to run windows 8 and Unity only prevents you from using it.

    I'm not sure who designed either system, but they should be kicked out of user design and forced to go back to school, perhaps in something useful like sales.
    • "can't figure out how to open an application or find where anything I have installed is"

      Exactly.

      Metro is a typical Microsoft endeavor these days, they don't why they are doing anything, come up with some silly whim for 2 years then abandon it.

      If they are strongly considering abandoning Windows Phone, what is the point of keeping the Metro interface in Windows 8?
  • Winkey+D (Score:3, Funny)

    by darkestsoul (3010271) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:01PM (#46276777)
    ... and get off my lawn.
  • Jacob Miller, posting as 'pwnies,'

    First name: OMG

  • by Megane (129182) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:01PM (#46276791) Homepage

    The problem isn't that The UI Formerly Named Metro is good for non-power users, it's that Metro is bad for power users and you can't avoid using it.

    (Likewise, at least so far you can still say "no" to Slashdot Beta.)

  • If you look at the source that 'Bacon Bits' posted -- what I see if a pretty dubious, random post on Reddit, that PC Pro picked up. Nowhere do I see any actual evidence that anyone, other than a troll, or some kid just posted. This is about as useful an article as something 'my friend heard from his cousin's mom's next door neighbor's mother-in-law..."

  • by UnknowingFool (672806) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:07PM (#46276865)

    "Before Windows 8 and Metro came along, power users and casual users - the content creators and the content consumers - had to share the same space," he added. "It was like a rented tuxedo coat - something that somewhat fit a wide variety of people."

    There's a difference between a physical thing that cannot be changed easily like hardware and software which is more malleable. Also they don't have to share the same space. See Android vs Linux. See iOS vs OS X.

    If that's the case, why not allow power users to turn off the settings they find annoying? "We needed casual users to learn this interface," Miller explained. "If there was an option to make all the new go away, many users would do it. It's the same reason why Facebook doesn't have an option to go back to old designs of Facebook. People hate change.

    Casual users would not turn off the interface. Casual users would save files to the desktop because they can't be bothered to put them in folders. And another problem is that this new interface still has enough elements of the old interface to confuse both power users and casual users. It is bi-polar at times and more of a sign it really wasn't ready when launched. If history is correct it won't be before the 3rd version that MS gets Metro working acceptably.

    He pointed out that power users shouldn't normally have to use the Metro Start screen once they've pinned their ten most used apps to the taskbar. Microsoft's research shows that this covers more than 90% of interactions, and the rest of the time it makes sense to search textually for that little-used app, rather than hunting around with your mouse. "That's why we default to keyboard navigation (search to launch/find) in this situation," he explained.

    Most power users I know use more than 10 applications. Also searching pages and pages of unsorted tiles is much faster than using text. Oh, the solution is to manually organize the tiles for each and every program that the user may or may not use right away. Yes, that's much easier.

    Indeed, Windows 8 isn't designed to be used with a mouse, he wrote. "It's designed for keyboard (power users) and touch (casual users) primarily," he said. "Time trials showed that these were far faster methods than mouse-based navigation on the old start menu, so we optimised for that."

    So that makes sense for MS to put it on desktops where the primary input is keyboard and mouse? Also the interface isn't good for casual users either. UI experts like Jacob Nielsen has listed [nngroup.com] all the issues with Metro for power and novice users.

    "In the short term you'll see less resources devoted to it until we get Metro figured out, but once that happens the desktop is very much a first world citizen," Miller wrote. "It will be equal with Metro. The desktop is not going away, we can't develop Windows in Metro."

    So everyone is a guinea pig until version 3 then?

    While admitting that Microsoft hasn't done a good job of marketing the changes and explaining how to use the new interface, Miller revealed that he's currently working on new first-run experience tutorials to address that.

    While marketing is often an area of fail for MS, the problem is that MS would like to ignore that wasn't the only problem. The interface suffers from many other defects. Scores of beta testers including many loyal Windows fans told MS about issues before Win 8 was launched. Also if you have to teach someone how to use an interface, then the interface isn't intuitive. Not all interfaces should be but an interface for casual and novice users should be.

    And he suggested that Windows 9 will help clean up many of the issues with Windows 8, admitting that Microsoft appears to be working on a "tick/tock" development cycle. "Windows 7

  • Whatever. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sootman (158191) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:09PM (#46276881) Homepage Journal

    Doesn't matter if you're right if you can't sell it.

    • It is worth pointing out that all developers are power users, and will write applications first for themselves unless they are paid to do otherwise. The reason Windows is so popular is the sheer number of applications available for it. Once the "newbie" interface is segregated from the "power user" interface, there will be a lot fewer applications written for the former due to everyone but the big companies leaving for more useful environments. Fewer applications, and the unlikelihood of anybody writing any

  • by slashmydots (2189826) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:10PM (#46276893)
    I run a computer shop and a lot of people stop in with questions about Windows 8. The #1 question is how the hell to do anything in the metro interface. Even I had to look up on Youtube how to simply close an app because there's no red X, escape does nothing, and alt-F4 works intermittently. I've had people repeatedly run out of operating memory due to too many apps open because they don't know to click and drag the title bar and sort of throw it to close it. It's the least "simple user" friendly interface ever made. Everything is hidden or unlabeled. It's absolutely the opposite of what he's saying.
    • EXACTLY - I have been an MS user (sometimes reluctantly, sometimes enthusiastically) since windows 3.0 running in real mode on a 286. I have at least tried every O/S since then. I have been a windows developer since windows 3.1. NEVER before windows 8 did I have to search Google (when Bing proved completely useless) to learn how to close an app, or do much of anything really. This is by a very WIDE margin the most unfriendly, un-intuitive O/S I have ever seen. As an experiment, since MS claims this is
    • by phlinn (819946) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:44PM (#46277417)
      What title bar? I haven't seen any clue that the top of the app is something special that you can grab onto... Just another example backing up your point about it being hidden. It's not even in Microsoft's own tutorial for using windows 8.
  • I recently special-ordered a desktop computer for my very-computer-illiterate mother (a retired musician) and somewhat-computer-illiterate father (a retired lawyer) to use, to avoid confusing them with Metro. Meanwhile my niece (I'm too old for my "little sister" to be relevant) has no trouble at all dealing with the traditional Windows Explorer desktop (though she prefers her Mac, which is mostly the same) because she grew up with it. In fact, it's the only interface she's ever known, which makes replaci

  • by Kremmy (793693) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:19PM (#46277005)
    Where do you get the idea that having a searchable list of all applications, not segmented into categories, is a good idea for the novice user? You've created an interface that outright requires previous computer knowledge and said it's for the people who aren't used to computers. Novice Ned isn't going to know what application to search for to do whatever task he's trying to accomplish, he's going to need a categorized list that lets him narrow down his options. What you've done with Unity and Metro is generate a list of executables and claimed it's user friendly. Idiots.
  • In other words, he concluded, Microsoft is "making two meals now instead of one. That way we can provide steak for the grown men, and skim milk for the babies."

    If that's the case, why not allow power users to turn off the settings they find annoying? "We needed casual users to learn this interface,"

    What a load of crap. If it truly was setup with Metro for casual, desktop for power users, then you would be able to select one or the other. If by default, Metro was used, and they made it some normal "difficult" to get to setting that had to be edited under the system management areas, your "casual" users would have no clue how to make that change and would thus, be using Metro. We also wouldn't have Metro on the SERVER editions being used PRIMARILY BY CORPORATE PROFESSIONAL IT DEPARTMENTS!

    This entire int

  • Windows 8 isn't for me. Ok. Got that. So gimme Win7. Huh? Why can't I get it?

    So you make a system that's not for me, but you don't wanna sell me the system that was made for me?

    Maybe you should have asked that consultant who told you that this was a good idea what that "I (heart) RMS" sticker on his laptop meant. Clue: He didn't want to express his love to your Rights Management Services [wikipedia.org].

  • I call bullshit (Score:5, Insightful)

    by js3 (319268) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:22PM (#46277039)

    To really understand metro, you have to watch the development videos at microsoft virtual academy website.

    Somehow their UI designers came up with this ridicilous notion that your apps don't need any "distract" menus or system icons and it should only display content. Content is the king they say, none of those resizing bars or window icons or anything. This is the main reason why metro apps look like that.

    It's like someone designed a car and said.. "you don't doors once you're in the car all you need is the road". To that I say "getting in and out a car shouldn't be an un-intuitive mess dumbass"

  • They tried this "idiots interface" before, what makes them think Metro will end up faring better than that failed attempt? Hi Bob!

    Also, so you train an entire GENERATION of people how to use the start menu and then you take it away to make the system EASIER to use.

  • by EXTomar (78739) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:26PM (#46277101)

    But suggesting that Win 8 Metro is "designed to be the anti-thesis [of power user desktop]" seems like big time BS. All you need to do is look at the lock/login screen: Only a power user would have the inclination to start taping and pushing and dragging things around trying to figure out how to activate the login process. A less experience user would just click around aimlessly looking for a button missed or can't see wondering what the next step is.

    The best interfaces seem to have simple expressions with simple feedback that extend into powerful combination. Win 8 Metro fails at this pretty badly because so many things are never explained or demonstrated or even suggested let alone expressed cleanly or completely. What does putting the pointer in the corner do? Why does click-drag direction-release count as a swipe only in the shell? Expecting a new or neophyte user to figure this out with the intuitive help of Windows 8 is kind of fanciful.

  • Explaining things (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sootman (158191) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:33PM (#46277227) Homepage Journal

    You know how if you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny? Well, if you have to explain a decision you made like this, there's a solid chance it wasn't the right one. Especially when it comes to matters of personal taste, preferences, perception, etc. "No, see, you should like this, because..."

    "De gustibus non est disputandum." [wikipedia.org]

    (I'm not using Latin to make me look smarter, but to illustrate that this idea has been around for a long damn time.)

  • But this does not explain why neither casual nor power users are interested in Windows 8 at all. Feels like they failed twice.
  • This is not how the new UX was sold. In fact, it's nearly a 180 about face. Second, if power users aren't supposed to use the Metro interface, why are we forced to interact with it on everything from Windows 8 Pro to Windows Server?
  • by BUL2294 (1081735) on Tuesday February 18, 2014 @12:43PM (#46277415)
    One thing that nobody seems to talk about is what is Metro doing behind the scenes? I really haven't seen any articles and we (I believe) incorrectly believe that the Metro "apps" aren't running unless they're explicitly executed... Two big concerns for me...

    1) How is my machine being slowed down (CPU cycles, disk I/O, etc.) and how much bandwidth is being wasted (especially if I don't get unlimited data) by Metro apps that are running "in the background"? This is really important at the server level--why do I need any apps running on a server--especially if it's running in a VM???
    2) What information is being sent out the door about my usage to Microsoft and other entities (spyware), especially if those apps came preloaded with Windows 8.x / Server 2012 (base/R2)??? Again, servers are especially of concern--why should Microsoft or anyone else know how I'm using my server?

    Numerous articles have said that Windows 8.x runs better/faster than Windows 7 on all kinds of hardware (even using less memory), but I can't see how this is possible given the concerns above...
  • So, the argument is that there's no clean way to accommodate casual user and power user workflows on the same desktop? Wait, tell that to my cairo dock and GNOME Do running on the XFCE desktop that my wife also uses (and believe me, if ever there was a wider chasm between power and casual user within one marriage, it would have likely triggered the implosion of the universe).

    I think the reality this totally-free-to-say-what-he-wants MS employee is not mentioning is that MS has company-strategic user-hostile motives for Metro ... namely, to claw their way into a 30% cut on apps. Mark these words - very soon, MS will introduce a way for desktop, non-Metro apps to be distributed via the app store, downloaded from a Metro interface. I wouldn't even be surprised if they offer a way to configure it as "mandatory", the only way to install desktop apps (for the protection of users, natch). Then the underlying purpose for the otherwise-ridiculous inclusion of Metro on Server 2012 will become clear.
  • Buried in the Reddit thread, pwnies says

    Use the best tool for the job. My personal setup is Windows for desktops (I think windows handles multiple monitors better than osx does), OSX for laptops (Apple's hardware is just so much better for portables), and linux for servers. I'm currently typing this on my Macbook Air. Definitely agree with you about dev tools on windows though. If you aren't bought into the .net stack, it's a bitch. For any web dev I'd recommend OSX or Linux. I'm a huge vim guy, so using windows and just ssh'ing into my linux boxes works great for me. (here [reddit.com]).

    He must have multiple personality disorder. That comment makes so much sense ... and yet his actual Reddit post is so absent of logic ...

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