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It's Not a Car, It's a Self-Balancing Electric Motorcycle (Video) 218

Posted by Roblimo
from the two-wheels-good-four-wheels-bad dept.
Two gyros under the seat keep this vehicle standing up at a stop, which is easier on the driver's legs than putting a foot down the way you do while riding most motorcycles. And no vroom-vroom sound, either. This is an electric motorcycle. The prototype you see in the video gets up to around 20 MPH, but production models are supposed to hit 100 MPH, and go as far as a Tesla S on 1/6 the juice. So little tiny batteries are all the Lit C-1 needs to drive (up to) 200 miles with the gyros spinning merrily away -- keeping the C-1 upright even in crashes, as a simulation in this Lit Motors YouTube video shows. They claim to have more than 200 pre-orders against a projected retail price of $24,000, which is not shabby for a company that hasn't made a single production vehicle so far. (Alternate Video Link)

Timothy Lord: James, we are standing next to this interesting looking vehicle here. Can you tell us a little bit about what it is?

Ryan James: Sure. So we are Lit Motors. We are a start-up electric vehicle company based here in San Francisco. This is our main vehicle, currently codenamed C-1. It is a self-balancing two-wheeled vehicle. It brings together the romance and the efficiency of a motorcycle with the safety and the comfort of a car.

Tim: Let’s talk about the hardware that’s in this vehicle here, what do you have starting from the front and kind of going back for the control electronics?

Ryan: Well, we’ve got a lot of both custom and off-the-shelf parts. This one is an earlier very low budget proof of concept prototype. So a lot of the components that are here doesn’t actually reflect what will be in the production vehicle. Some of it had to be compromised for lower price and some of it we just kind of figured out on the fly. But this is a functional proof of concept prototype—this one actually does balance at 0 miles an hour and drives up to about 20, 25 miles an hour.

Tim: What do we have as far as driving parts?

Ryan: We’ve got an off-the-shelf motorcycle wheel—it’s actually a rear wheel—and then a center-hub steering system. All of the linkages here are totally custom. The production model will have similar linkages, but made in a much more robust manner. The shell is actually steel, AKDQ steel, the same as pretty much every car on the road, and we hand-formed that. Just the start-up costs for stamps and dies, to try to stamp this out, would have been about $3 million. Rather than spend that, we spent about $10,000 and bought an English wheel, a shrinker, a stretcher, and a bead roller and just made it all ourselves—it was totally insane! It took about a month and a half of complete insanity. But we made it happen and we ended up with a hand-formed steel body.

Tim: Did you look at wind tunnel testing to arrive at the shape?

Ryan: Not yet. That is actually something that we are working on right now, quite a bit of virtual wind tunnel testing.

Tim: Let’s look at the inside of it.

Ryan: Sure. So the interior on this prototype is extremely rough. This was made to be much more of an engineering prototype, but you can see the custom carbon fiber seat that we made. We needed a seat and carbon is actually a pretty easy material to work with so you might as well make it out of that—everyone loves carbon. Off-the-shelf steering wheel, somewhat custom steering system, but the steering system is not indicative at all of what the production one will be—this one is purely mechanical. Production will be a drive-by-wire steering system which is enabled by our stabilization technology that I’ll come back to in a minute. The rest of the dash is just sort of for looks—it doesn’t really do all that much. We’ve got batteries along the floor, so lower center of gravity from that. And just behind the batteries you can see the first part of our core technology. We’ve got this right here and an identical one just behind it--these are a pair of control moment gyroscopes that form our gyroscopic stabilization system. We’re using two gyros, counter-rotating, counter-processing on actuated gimbals. That is how the vehicle is able to stay in control of its tilt or lean at all times. So what that means for the driver is: You’re in a fully enclosed vehicle, you can’t put your legs down or anything like that. You pull up to a red light and it just stands there. There are no legs that come down, nothing like that—it just stays upright. As if you’re on four wheels. That same system is actually powerful enough that in most collisions the vehicle will also stay upright. So if you’re driving along and somebody T-bones you, rather than fall over or roll or flip like a motorcycle would, it will actually stay upright and slide sideways. Just like a four-wheeled car does.

And then that also enables a drive-by-wire steering system. That means that the driver doesn’t need to know anything about how motorcycles handle, how they work, anything like that. Anyone can drive it, like if you can drive a car you can drive our vehicle. So although the vehicle has the turning dynamics of a motorcycle that is to say, it leans into turns, the vehicle takes care of all of that for you—it’s smart enough to know as you turn the steering wheel right what that means at 5 miles an hour, what that means at 50 miles an hour, what that means at 100 miles an hour. And it does all that for you.

Tim: What sort of computing power has it got in here?

Ryan: On this prototype, off-the-shelf stuff. We’re running in a LabVIEW environment. We have since moved beyond that and everything in the prototype that we’re building right now and for the production vehicle, it’s all custom boards that we designed and had fabricated, custom OS that we made ourselves and created ourselves. Yeah, everything is totally custom now.

Tim: Let’s talk about timelines, availability and price.

Ryan: Sure. So the price is going to be approximately $24,000. We are actually taking pre-orders right now on our website, litmotors.com/reserve. We’ve been taking pre-orders for the past two and a half years. We’re seeing a really, really strong response with that—we’ve sold many hundreds of pre-orders so far. And production, we are aiming to begin production by the end of this year, by the end of 2014.

Tim: One more thing, a lot of people with any kind of alternative vehicles these days, electric in particular, have, I think, a very legitimate fear of running out of fuel.

Ryan: Sure.

Tim: Talk about the batteries you’ve got in here—how long do they last?

Ryan: Yeah, sure. So some basics specs for this, these, of course, we’re still prototyping so these are best estimates: Top speed should be over 100 miles an hour, so you can take it anywhere, you can take it on the freeway. The range will be up to about 200 miles per charge. What’s really interesting about that is we’re doing that on a much smaller battery pack than you would expect. Because it’s such a small lightweight vehicle and so aerodynamic. For a comparison, a Tesla Model S the 60-kwh version of that gets a 200-mile range—we’re able to get that same range on a 10-kwh hour battery pack—so one sixth of the size.

Tim: Now you don’t have much room at the moment for groceries or a passenger back here. What’s the status of all this electronics that is going to be miniaturized quite a bit?

Ryan: Exactly, yes. So like I said this stuff is all off-the-shelf. This is oriented in here for ease of work rather than for any kind of compact package. The custom boards and electronics and everything that we’ve made thus far have already shrunk that down to about a quarter of this size. In the production vehicle, this back space will be completely open. So there actually will be room for a passenger, there will be an actual seat back here for a passenger. Or for about as much stuff as you can carry on a plane.

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It's Not a Car, It's a Self-Balancing Electric Motorcycle (Video)

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  • No (Score:2, Insightful)

    by GoCrazy (1608235) on Thursday June 19, 2014 @03:38PM (#47275941)

    It's not a car.

    That's a cage. That's a car.

  • by i kan reed (749298) on Thursday June 19, 2014 @03:39PM (#47275949) Homepage Journal

    Because the internet has programmed us to communicate entirely by pop culture references and oblique sexualized insults, leaving no room for actual critical examination of anything.

  • by Jeremi (14640) on Thursday June 19, 2014 @03:47PM (#47276079) Homepage

    Guaranteed death in a car accident -- what's not to love?

    That doesn't stop all the motorcyclists and bicyclists out there; they have even less protection than this offers.

    Plus in this you don't have to wear stifling leather clothing, and you can drive in the rain without getting soaked.

    I think there is a market for this.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 19, 2014 @03:52PM (#47276121)
    the appeal behind motorcycles is gotta go fast, the wind in your hair, and being able to squeeze through tight spots, this abomination does none of these.
  • by houstonbofh (602064) on Thursday June 19, 2014 @04:44PM (#47276613)

    the appeal behind motorcycles is gotta go fast

    There are 200,000 Harley buyers a year that disagree with you.

  • whatever. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 19, 2014 @04:50PM (#47276685)

    Yeah, and don't forget that "loud pipes save lives" around typical inattentive drivers. This thing is silent but deadly.

    A coworker of mine thought that.

    He was STILL clobbered because of a dingbat driving her well sound insulated white SUV - and drove off; never to be caught for hit and run.

    He's pretty screwed up but can still program.

    As for me, walking on the side fo the road to have some narcissistic assholes cruising along at 10MPH - twisting their throttle - VROOM! VROOM! VROOM! - with their fat guts and gray hair hanging out of their over priced leather outfits, just has me putting my fingers in my ears, shaking my head and feeling sorry for such losers who have nothing better in their lives than to spend too much money on crap and live a delusion that they are "born to be wild" on weekends and have to go to their souless corporate drone lives on Monday.

  • by FridayBob (619244) on Thursday June 19, 2014 @05:29PM (#47277033) Homepage

    I like it when my brakes stop me before I slide into something.

    Motorcycles are actually better at stopping than most cars. Ever heard of a stopee?

    (I ride a motorcycle, I find riding in the rain to be unpleasant for a variety of reasons)

    Yes, because if you manage to get your motorcycle's front wheel to slide, it usually means you fall will over. But, that's exactly one of the reasons why the C-1 is so cool: it's gyroscopically stabilized, so if it slides for whatever reason it won't fall over. In that respect it will behave much like a car.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 19, 2014 @07:06PM (#47277743)

    Let's be honest here. Would you like to compare % death rates for MILES TRAVELED instead? I'm a motorcyclist. It's dangerous out there. And how long is the riding season in most of Canada, 5 months?

    It's not guaranteed death by any means. But it's dangerous.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 19, 2014 @07:40PM (#47277979)

    You have made a false claim because you are terrible at statistics. Deaths divided by serious injuries is a nonsensical metric.

    Hint: Go find the total miles driven in cars and motorcycles.

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