Leaked Build of Windows 9 Shows Start Menu Return 346
Billly Gates writes A leaked alpha of Windows 9 has been brewing on the internet. Today a screenshot shows what MS showed us at BUILD which includes a start menu with additional tiny tiles for things like people, calendar, pc settings, and news etc. "The new hybridized Start menu appears to be part of build 9788, which was compiled on July 4. While no one seems to have leaked the ISOs for build 9788 yet, the general consensus seems to be that the build does indeed exist somewhere at Microsoft — and that it might also feature Windows NT kernel version 6.4 (i.e. the complete version number is 6.4.9788). The screenshots show a Windows 8.1 Pro watermark, but this isn’t unusual for a very early alpha of a new build of Windows. If this really is the next version of the Windows NT kernel, then we’re most likely looking at an early build of Windows 9 (Threshold) rather than Windows 8.2."
Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:5, Funny)
2015 will be year of the Linux Desktop!
Microsoft craps its pants (Score:2, Informative)
2015 will be year of the Linux Desktop!
Guess you have not been paying attention, chromebooks are here and occupying all the top slots and rating on Amazon, making a killing in schools, and have a slew of new models out now, and not have Android compatibility...you know the OS that put iOS and windows in the ground...they even look like a mackbook air *winks*.
GNU/Linux continues to do very nicely as well.
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2015 will be year of the Linux Desktop!
Guess you have not been paying attention, chromebooks are here and occupying all the top slots and rating on Amazon, making a killing in schools, and have a slew of new models out now, and not have Android compatibility...you know the OS that put iOS and windows in the ground...they even look like a mackbook air *winks*.
GNU/Linux continues to do very nicely as well.
So where are your solid numbers (Amazon ratings and sales ranks don't specify models sold) ? And please let me know if I can use my Chromebook offline on my airplaine. Sorry, no way a Chromebook is replacing my Macbook anytime - I see you can't even view the movies you buy on the Google Play store offline [1] (ie, in an airplane - no that GoGo streaming is not allowed for movies) - what use is that?
[1] https://productforums.google.c... [google.com]
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You are not the target market for Chromebooks. The funny part is they still cost like 1/8 of what your Macbook did. My mom has a Chromebook and she loves it. I never get tech support calls anymore. Everything just works.
The target market seems about 1/8 the size as well (consequently, not significant enough for Microsoft to worry about it much). I skipped the Chromebook and got my parents an iPad - sure they don't type as much, but the banking, shopping and gaming options on the iPad are much more mature and reasonable than on a Chromebook and it's a hell of a lot more portable.
If you're going to keep it at home all the time, maybe it's a great tool for things like home folks and the classroom - but it is NOT a laptop repl
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Guess you have not been paying attention, chromebooks are here and occupying all the top slots and rating on Amazon, making a killing in schools, and have a slew of new models out now, and not have Android compatibility...you know the OS that put iOS and windows in the ground
Parent said desktop not dumb terminal.
OMG the Irony (Score:2)
Those are all appliances.
guess the irony of this being a post about the *hope* of Microsoft receding, on its path to turn computing into Microsoft appliances is lost on you. Although as I said *Linux* and opensource(even a little free software) seems to continue to flourish.
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:5, Informative)
Among dinosaurs who still use desktop computers, instead of laptops or tablets, I guess.
You're either retarded, or you don't do anything useful with your computer.
Anyone who wants to do anything graphics-intensive would laugh at someone trying to push a laptop on them.
I hate idiots who think laptops are for gaming. They go buy the crappy $200 Walmart bargain, then wonder why it won't play BF4.
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:4, Insightful)
My desktop is connected to two large flatscreens ( 60" and a 42" LCDs ) , I have two browsers open , multiple tabs , downloading with 3 instances of BNR2 , watching TV through a tuner card on one screen , lying back on the couch with a USB extender on the mouse and a wireless keyboard , allowing me to cycle between different programs and tabs with ease , all running effortlessly thanks to Win 8.1 and an I7 CPU , 5 TeraBytes of hard drive storage allowing me to store and replay multiple video and audio files.....and some retarded kid thinks I should replace this setup with a tiny screened finger smudged tablet.
Wow.Some people really are sheep.We dinosaurs aren't going extinct any time soon.
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ok, let me clarify: "with similar price tags".
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:5, Insightful)
Both my desktop computer AND my laptop have one thing in common: neither of them is a tablet. And Windows 8 as is is ONLY oriented towards tablets.
A lightweight OS oriented in low power usage and touch-based controls, which just happens to still maintain some sort of classic experience because they couldn't be arsed to remove it the way they removed other perfectly functional features, is not the OS I want to use.
Windows 9 may or may not be good enough to get into my computers. We'll see.
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:5, Informative)
And Windows 8 as is is ONLY oriented towards tablets.
You realise it has a desktop right? That all your applications still run and operate the same as they did on Windows 7 right? Yes *one* of the methods used to launch applications has changed to be touch-friendly but that's it.
It's funny the way people can evangelize the linux desktop or OS X yet those same people are completely befuddled and useless when you take their start menu away. Yes it was a change, yes that change was good if you wanted to use Windows on a tablet and no it wasn't particularly useful if you wanted to use Windows on a desktop but if you boot-to-desktop then it's not much different to OS X. You have the Taskbar (Dock), Desktop (Desktop), Win+S for search (Cmd+Space for spotlight) and you have the Start Screen (Launchpad), it really isn't that hard.
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To be clear, I have with a Windows tablet and a touch-enabled Windows laptop and I don't mind the interface on either;
Same.
but I absolutely abhor it on non-touch equipment.
Agreed (insofar as the start screen is concerned).
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Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:5, Funny)
" And Windows 8 as is is ONLY oriented towards tablets" false.
false
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Having to fucking search just to get to windows update? It's broken windows.
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:4, Insightful)
Kindly point us to your magical gaming laptop that handles graphics and games "better than most gaming desktops". Quite a few of us are looking for such a machine, and sadly it does not exist yet.
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It does exist. It just costs about twice as much at 3000$+
And then really doesn't function very well as a laptop, as it is too big, and uses enough juice on gpu/cpu to give it less than great battery power.
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I don't want a laptop with annoyingly loud fans and very shout battery
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You can do water cooling and / or set up fans in a way they are not that loud and get a UPS that can run your desktop + screen + your internet hardware all in one unit if you want.
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Depends on the laptop.
Clevo P570WM : high-end desktop Core I7, 880M GTX SLI, 3 slots for HDDs/SSDs. More expensive than a desktop, but hey, good luck taking a flight with your desktop...
Lol.... Have you even considered that second grade electronics such as the ones used by clevo and rebranded all over the world (here in Greece by Plaisio - Turbox budget laptops) won't last more than a year and a half TOPS running full throttle on games. I run a small IT business and daily i deal with people beeing fooled by computer super markets into buying Clevo and shit. Never beeing happier (businesswise) when i have one of those on my bench, it's easy money reflowing GPUs. Not that higher grade lapt
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People who actually need to use computers for tangible purposes.
The tablets people you mention shouldn't even be using electronic devices in the first place.
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Yes, people need hand-holding level support for their iPads
In what way? And who are these "people"? You mean all people, you included? Or just a subset that you've found that you've extrapolated? I have had the odd question about what a feature does or say how to set up email on a Galaxy after having an iPhone but certainly nothing like ongoing maintenance or servicing.
Exactly what would you say servicing and maintenance for an ipad would be that "people" aren't capable of?
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Bravo, you can use a device with minimal help, just like the majority, but that doesn't automatically make the minori
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:4, Insightful)
Either you know full-well that there exist a nontrivial number of people who can't wrap their head around what to do when their iPad tells them an OS update is available, if you're so socially inept that you live in a fantasy world where everyone else is just like you.
No, you simply have an over-inflated opinion of yourself and those you deem "technically capable" because the numbers don't lie, those who aren't capable of updating are the extreme minority [cnet.com].
You don't need to perpetuate the idiotic falsehood that only socially awkward people know what to do when their device says an update is available, if you need to feel superior in that manner to justify your social awkwardness that's your problem but that perception is not reality, there was 25-35% adoption [techcrunch.com] of iOS7 in one day for god sake.
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there was 25-35% adoption of iOS7 in one day for god sake.
And what was the percentage in the following week? You're quite lucky to not have many technically-inept friends or family members. And it's not about superiority, but the social awkwardness I was referring to was making assumptions like the one you seem to be making by implying that the majority of users are as technically inclined as you and quoting news articles, rather than real-world experience, as your source; a sign that you don't have said experience.
How many of those 87% of iDevices were upgraded b
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And what was the percentage in the following week?
I don't have the week-by-week numbers but adoption is close to 90% presently and frankly given the simplicity of the update process it is easy to see why.
And it's not about superiority, but the social awkwardness I was referring to was making assumptions like the one you seem to be making by implying that the majority of users are as technically inclined as you and quoting news articles, rather than real-world experience, as your source; a sign that you don't have said experience.
No it is that the "real world experience" you claim to have is not representative of the real world since the numbers prove that the vast majority of people are indeed upgrading.
How many of those 87% of iDevices were upgraded by a friend or family member of the user, or by GeekSquad or some other service that exists for the purpose of gouging device users of their hard-earned cash in exchange for clicking 2 or 3 buttons, and how many were upgraded by the user? Your sources dont, and can't, say.
The dialog tells you there is an update, you simply click Install or Later and you actually believe that when presented with such a dialog that most people will have no idea what t
Re:Microsoft is wasting people's time (Score:5, Interesting)
Most non-trivial software is still written for desktops, and that probably won't change any time soon because tablets lack the screen real-estate; and plugging a mouse (for fine pointing) and keyboard into them is not always convenient.
When it comes to work and productivity, desktops still rule (writing, reports, spreadsheets, CRUD, graphics, sound editing, high-end gaming, etc.) Maybe that will change one day as the market for tablets grows so large that "productivity" application makers target tablets first. Then people will start purchasing bigger tablets for productivity usage rather than a Windows PC.
That tipping point is roughly 4 to 12 years off, I would gander a guess.
If MS plays their cards right, then maybe they can get decent Windows tablets on the market so that the dream of one device for all usage is closer to a reality such that those who want productivity applications AND a nice tablet can have both. However, their Window of opportunity (pun intended) is closing fast: Google is hot on their heals.
Start menu driver (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, the start menu is part of the "kernel" now. Such design, much engineer, wow very built.
Fuck Tiles! (Score:5, Insightful)
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The whole thing reminds me a more professional version of some random schmuck's GeoCities page circa 1998.
Not GeoCities, AOL [imgur.com]. Circa what, 1991?
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Yeah that about sums it up for me...
Sticking with Windows 7 until Android is more mature on the desktop then if MS is still on it's "It needs to look like a clown drank a bunch of paint and puked..." kick then yeah switching I will go.
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", fixed sizes"
what? Are you lying? becasue almost nothing you said is true.
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They are fucking ugly. The super square shapes remind me of basic X window managers. Hell even CDE is more pleasing to look at.
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Yep (Score:2)
Re:Fuck Tiles! (Score:5, Informative)
It's probably worth noting that in the Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 "leaks", technical previews, and consumer previews - ALL had the ability to enable a start menu by changing a registry key from 0 to 1, and ALL had that option removed in the final builds.
I have no reason to believe 9 will be different until after the grand master image is released to OEMs.
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What if they are like the IOS applets in MacOSX where the emphasis is on the desktop?
As long as things do not go all full screen closed door syndrome I do not see it as a problem
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Tiles can hold useful information that changes though. I dunno about you, but I always like to see what the current weather is every time I go to open an application.
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Notifications like those are things that should show up in the system tray, not only if I happen to go to the Start Menu.
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Tiles unlike icons are supposed to be
a) live so they are presenting useful summary information
b) variable in size, so the amount can vary
The legacy stuff doesn't make use of the Window8 and Microsoft unfortunately itself doesn't install; by default some of the really cool applications that use Windows 8; like their Bing based applications.
Re:Fuck Tiles! (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah yes, the 'hater' fallacy. If you don't agree with the current trend, you must hate all change.
All that's needed is a simple editable menu for application links. It's not that hard.
How is searching for tiles easier than searching a list in the menu? If you hated doing it in the start menu, you should hate doing it with the tiles, with all that extra eye panning and scrolling. As far as text search goes, users shouldn't need it because your menu is neat and orderly and easy to read. Sticking a search box onto widgets just says loudly and clearly that the design has failed.
If all you want is one click access, add some shortcuts to the shortcut bar...oh right, they broke that too.
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It's not a fallacy when the hater provides nothing objective other then 'its teh suxors.'
Tiles:
Easy to see what you need based on color alone, quicker then reading.
Easier to organize
hot keyable
If you aren't using search in either windows 7 or 8, you aren't really using the OS well.
win f isn't hard to use. I suppose you could have a menu with a complete list of every file, but that's seem pretty cumbersome.
You can adjust there size , or not, depending on whats easier.
I don't use the OS to look at the OS, I u
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It's a fallacy when you're ignoring the reasons surrounding "its teh suxors". There was no exploding gas tank in the Pinto, just a bunch of Ford haters....
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It's not a fallacy when the hater provides nothing objective other then 'its teh suxors.'
But the person you called a hater rattled off a fair sized list of what was wrong.
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Text menu with small icon:
easy to see what you need based on color or picture alone, with the text right beside it.
small and unobtrusive to the rest of your workflow.
easy to organize, drag and drop where you want, or sort by alpha.
If you are typing stuff into widgets instead of finding what is needed with a few clicks, you aren't using the GUI very well..or it's badly designed. At that point, I'd prefer a command prompt...that doesn't suck.
Sizing is an unknown for win9 at this point. I hope I can just tur
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This is the one thing I simply don't understand with Metro (actually I do understand why they did it, but how they thought it'd fly is completely beyond me). There's something called a desktop. It does exactly what every phone interface does. With a bit of modification (expand the icon size and make it a widget of sorts), it does exactly what Metro aspires to do.
There's something called Programs (or All Programs) in the start menu. It lists every program out there with an icon and some text. Give it its own
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I don't think that word [wikipedia.org] means what you think it does.
Re:Fuck Tiles! (Score:4, Interesting)
How is it not the same number of clicks? In the best case, in both systems, it's two clicks. You click once on the start button, and then once again on the item you'd like to launch. In either case, that's assuming that you want to launch something that's going to come up right away, and you aren't going to go hunting through other items.
Of course, in both systems you could cut out clicks entirely by pressing the Windows key on the keyboard and typing what you want.
It seems to me that the big difference is that Microsoft hid the button, meaning you had to hover in the correct place before you could click. Then the menu that came up brought up, by default, showed a bunch of tablet apps, and not the desktop apps that you probably want, in a way that completely broke the context you were working in. Every time you wanted to launch something, you were thrown into a different little virtual world with no common spacial orientation, and where all the buttons behaved differently.
It may not seem strange to you once you've gotten used to it, but the normal and appropriate reaction when a person first encounters this sort of thing is to feel unpleasantly disoriented. A good UI designer would know that it was bad, and that users would be unhappy with the change. A good UI designer would also know that hidden hover buttons and hover menus are not generally desirable.
Or were you just trolling?
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I'd almost buy that, except people generally seem to like the Mac OS interface which hasn't had a meaningful Start button in the Windows sense, since OS 9 or so. You don't have to make an exact clone of XP for people to enjoy it.
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What I miss the most is the classic start menu where you can completely create your own sub-groups in a hierarchy. When I'm trying to remember which utility I wanted to use, but the name was something goofy that I haven't us
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You seem to be assuming that "innovative" and "good" are synonyms when it comes to products. A smartwatch powered by static electricity might be innovative, but it would be a shitty product if you had to rub it on your sweater just to see what time it is.
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The problem isn't that they are trying, or not trying. It's that they are trying the same shit again, even after finding out it doesn't work (community bitch-slapping that W8/W8.1 has, atrocious phone sales, etc) and saying "Oops! Next time we'll get it. Oh, and you'll have to pay all over again."
I have zero interest in Metro, or the whole tiles motif. They function well enough for touch interfaces, even if I don't like their aesthetic take on it... but meanwhile back in the real world, people don't get a l
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I have no idea how true it is, but I've seen at least one person comment (maybe on a blog) that Windows 8 reminds him of a cross between Windows 7 and Gnome 3. If so, it gives me even more reasons to be glad that I use Linux and Xfce. (I started out with Gnome 2, but switched to Xfce when I read about what Gnome 3 was going to be like.)
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Slide-ins on websites have been around a LOT longer than Metro. I did one based on Fallout's pipboy interface back in the 90s, does that mean I influenced Microsoft? They come and go though are generally abandoned after a time because users didn't know they were there, they interfered with navigation, and/or they just plain annoyed users. As to the Toronto Sun, it's a fucking tabloid their bread and butter is sensationalist in-your-face over-the-top garbage.
When I see the Toronto Sun's interface I think o
Re:Fuck Tiles! (Score:5, Informative)
Second, Metro is actually pretty decent when you figure out how the keyboard shortcuts (win-key +s for searching, alt-tab to switch windows, alt-f4 to shut a window, etc.). But it's pretty awful if you go at it with a mouse -- and MS did not, at all, make this clear.
First, it's not called "Metro" - that was an internal code-name. Microsoft calls it "Modern UI". That's the name of the Start screen / Tiles paradigm. Second, those keyboard shortcuts were available since Windows XP, it's nothing new. But all the win-key shortcuts are useless if you don't have a Windows Keytm. And the "hot corners" are pretty awful. Sometimes they just won't pop-up or take forever, and it's much worse if you're in an RDP session. The Start *button* DOES help with that.
What most people that have tried it haven't noticed yet is all the stuff that gone or broken. Windows backup? Gone. Get used to File History - and adding a bunch of folders to your "Libraries", because that's the only place File History checks. There is no way to set preferred wireless networks. No more "Home", "Work", or "Public" networks, just "Private" and "Public". That's cool - but Windows decides by itself which one it is. And if it guesses wrong? The only way to fix is dig through the registry and figure out the right numeric to use for the right network connection. VERY annoying if Windows guesses your company's VPN is a "Public" network.
Don't even get me started on "Windows account" logons, OneDrive, and Media Center.
I hate morons (Score:4, Insightful)
If you look at some of the comments on that page, you get gems like the guy asking if the start button was the only reason someone didn't get Win8.
Sure, you can hack the OS to get a free start button, but that's not the point. You do NOT reward bad behavior, or the companies will never learn.
Chick-Fil-A won't sell you a sandwich without pickles? You're ok just pulling the pickles off? That's stupid. You complain to the manager to get the sandwich made correctly. If you never speak up, then they won't know what they're doing wrong.
The goal of any company SHOULD be to please their customers while making a tidy profit. The problem is that today's companies seem to be all about making an obscene profit while...wait...we have customers? Oh right. Our "customers" are the people who pay us to provide the data we mine from the people who pay us to use our products that don't do what they want them to.
Start Menu is not the problem... (Score:2)
Ok the start menu is *a* problem, but really it *the* problem is strategy of Metro and Microsoft store, and turning open computing into a closed electronic device. I suspect none of this is rolled back, but the same old metro repackaged into a more palatable form like you got with the start button, and the rest store/electronics device kept for *cough* security reasons.
Where is Android compatibility on my GNU/Desktop goddamit!!!..at least there is chromebooks and I don't have to continue with the windows ta
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I don't care about the Start menu; I don't spend much time in there, and even if I did, if I can't figure something that simple out I should stick to plumbing. The really annoying thing is that every file association now has to be redone to stop bringing up Modern (Metro) apps, and I have to be careful to install the Desktop versions of software I want.
That is the PITA, but it's so minor that I still use Win 8.x because yes, it's better than 7 overall.
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Can you shut all those bullshit tiles off and have a simple text menu?
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hyuck hyuck.
What's the big deal about win8? (Score:4, Informative)
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I had to get a Windows 8 laptop, Surface 2, and Windows phone for work to test an application we're working on. I use OSX and Android day-to-day so from all the stories I expected to have an awful time trying to navigate through windows to even get to the application to start my testing/dev work but I don't see what the big deal is. The interface was intuitive enough for me ...maybe i didn't try to do enough, I just looked at the screen for the app, then click/touch it. :shrug:
The big deal is when you have a laptop or a desktop without touch or you just hate having a screen full of fingerprints. When using a mouse, the windows 8 GUI is inefficient and poor to navigate. Of course, those unhappy with the Windows 8 or 8.1 interface can easily find add-ons that fix the Start menu and re-enable boot to desktop. Personally, I installed Start8 and have been happy ever since.
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In fact, there are a few things I miss from it when I have to do stuff on Win 7 (such as right-click the start icon to bring up all the admin options). And no, I don't use a touch screen or a laptop; just a plain old desktop with mouse and keyboard.
That button didn't even exist until after a lot of complaining. You can hardly complain about the complaining, when it gave you the very feature that you love so much.
As an aside, it puzzles me that you called the button an icon. But then of course, one of the countless usability mistakes in Windows 8 is the failure to visually differentiate buttons from other images and text.
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Windows 8 just does dumb shit. The first box I setup had a touchscreen. The instructions say to move the mouse to the upper right corner. So I move the mouse and nothing happens. Check all the cables and everything but it all appears working. Finally figure out they want me to move the CURSOR to the upper right using my FINGER. The mouse is not even used!
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Actually, the worst thing fior me about Windows 8 when I had to use it wasn't even the lack of the start menu; it was the fact that every time you move the mouse cursor near the corner, Windows 8 pops up some stupid sidebar. I want to move the mouse cursor from one monitor to another and Windows 8 kept getting in the way of that every time as if I were using a tablet device that needed these gesture popups.
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The hyperbole tends to be pretty thick around here, I've used software interfaces that weren't just bad but simply atrocious and if Microsoft could conjure up one so bad I couldn't make it work for me and still be usable outside a mental asylum seems highly unlikely. Hitting the start button to shut down the computer doesn't even register in the top 1000 silliest shit I've had to do in order to make semi-broken, bizarre and buggy applications work. So "broken and useless" is probably more like "temporarily
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Well, yes, if all we ever did with a Windows 8 laptop was turn it on to test our (pre-installed) application, then Windows 8 would have absolutely no problems. As such, our usages would constitute approximately 2% Windows and 98% our application.
And if Microsoft were to base their UI design goals on those use cases, they might as well have a machine that boots directly to the app and forget the Windows UI, entirely.
Which is to say, mods, that parent is about as informative as if I told you the desert would
oh, please, it's never "leaked" (Score:5, Insightful)
IOW, yet another "Slashvertisement."
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It's always, without exception, a strategic move by the PR department, to encourage public chatter about some product.
Yes, that's probably who leaked it. Kinda like those prototype Apple phones that get "lost" at bars and turn up in the hands of a tech gossip writer.
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As someone who actually had a product (they owned and managed) leak, I can tell you that it is never "always" a strategic move.
This might be orchestrated by the Microsoft PR team, but please don't assume that every leak is.
Looks Like the Right Direction (Score:2)
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" I want is XP updated to modern code
so..you want something that's easy to break, easy to infect, but written with modern code?
You can NOT use modern code and have the PoS known as XP.
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Right, no Aero glass? (Score:2)
I don't want spartan overly minimalist buttons, windows and dropdowns that hinder more than they help. I want delineated areas that indicate boundaries with beveled widgets that say "click me". I also don't want white-washed backgrounds that strain the eyes when I'm trying to work productively - I want various shades so I can see that the menu, taskbar or URL bar is not part of the main page.
i hate it less (Score:2)
games please run on != so the one thing i use windows for i can stop
Is it a hybrid menu out of pure ego and hostility? (Score:4, Insightful)
The Metro-ization of Windows has failed badly. You don't even need to look at Netcraft to prove it.
So why insist on a hybrid Start menu? Is this just simply the result of some assholes who simply refuse to admit their idea sucked greasy balls and by God they're going to fucking jam it down some throats anyway?
I haven't used a pure Win 8 device (phone or tablet) in its native mode so I'm withholding personal judgement on it that mode. It gets reasonable reviews (or at least the phone does) from people who have used it like that, but nobody I know is super enthusiastic about it from a desktop perspective at all. Nobody.
You would have think with Ballmer's exit SOMEBODY at Microsoft might have been willing to say "we shouldn't metro-ize the desktop. They really don't like it."
It may get more interest if it is done right (Score:3)
The issue with Metro is that the "Only full screen mode," is a deal breaker on desktops. I do not have a 30" screen to run one program at a time, thanks (barring a few exceptions). However they become perfectly usable when they are in a window. Modern Mix for Stardock does that, and apparently Windows 9 will do it natively. Ok well at that point, Metro is just another API you can use alongside Win32 and .NET and maybe there's some interest. If a Metro program works just like any other then perhaps more peop
hybridized start menu = half-assed fix (Score:3)
On a system that isn't a tablet, I DO NOT WANT A TOUCH INTERFACE, or even a hint of it unless I get a touch sensitive monitor and explicitly turn it on (a prompt asking me if I want to would be fine, too). For desktops and laptops, Windows 7's start menu is absolute perfection.
Don't try to improve perfection. I don't want to see any trace of the formerly-known-as-metro style interfaces anywhere on a desktop OS. Don't try to sell me a Windows tablet and think that shoving a touch interface in my face on the desktop is going to get me to buy. Android is where it's at for tablets. Trying to force that crappy UI on me will make me not even consider Windows tablets even IF you make it far superior to Android.
All you've done is alienate customers with Windows 8, and you're still trying to shove that loathed (loathed isn't even the word for it) abortion of a UI in people's faces. I'm going to be buying a bunch of Windows 7 licenses while it's still available because Windows 9's isn't shaping to be much better than Windows 8. If I have to run 9, I'll be installing classic shell on it, like I do on Windows Server when I have to work on Windows servers (who the FUCK thought it was a good idea to put a tablet UI on a server OS anyhow?!)
Oh, and while you're at it bring back glass. Knock it off with that Windows '80s flat look.
Forget the fugly tiles for a second... (Score:5, Interesting)
I still want to know why a clean install of winders 8 eats 17Gb of hard drive space...
I mean, what the hell is in it that takes up that amount of space? It's obscene. And yet I can fit a fully working linux distro on a CD.
Somewhat on topic, 64bit only or still no balls? (Score:3)
Subject says it really. Win7 shouldn't have shipped with a 32bit version, Windows 8 definitely should not have shipped with a 32bit version and for goodness sakes, Windows 9 most god damned definitely should not be shipping with a 32bit version.
Can we finally get a single unified build here? It's time to let it go.
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Well the term 'professional' simply means someone who is paid. Since most businesses still use windows, you are wrong.
Jesus Wept (Score:2)
I am seriously tired of people rewriting history to get versions to make sense. The only thing that is partially true is that Microsoft does not make evolutionary transitions easy, but then all OS's have some difficulty with that...eg Pulseaudio, iOS upgrades on iPhone 3G. The difference this time is the shift to tabletifying the OS...and turning your computer into an electronics device instead of a computer. The underlying OS is still Vista version 3.
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I'm kind of lost on your choice of numbering. I would say that even versions suck and odd versions are great, but I don't know which one your referencing with each number. In my eyes, it's safe to say that every other major one
I guess I've always been confused about the numbering. Considering Windows 3, then there was 95, 98, 98SE (Second Edition, which was rock solid IMHO), ME (which was so awful I can't blame them for trying to forget it ever happened), XP, Vista, then we have seven. Even if you disco
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Windows 4: Windows NT
Windows 5: XP
Windows 6: Vista
Yes, I know that some versions of the non-NT kernal in 4.0 (Windows 95 - Windows ME) are good.
My original post is meant more of a joke than anything else. I've selectively chosen data points to validate my claim.
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95 all, 98 all and me are 9X
2000 is NT 5
XP is 6 or NT 5.1 should of been NT 6
Windows 8 has a bad rap and better to call it 9 (Score:2)
Windows 8 has a bad rap and better to call it 9 then 8.2 or 8.1.2 / 8.1 U2
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Not necessarily. 8.2 means : ok we heard you, we fixed the mess, here is the correct version. 9.0 means : preceding version was ok, now here is a new one, which will be good trust me.
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Not necessarily. 8.2 means : ok we heard you, we fixed the mess, here is the correct version. 9.0 means : preceding version was ok, now here is a new one, which will be good trust me.
Here's a coupon for $25 off the $200 upgrade.
Schizoid (Score:2)
Pretty much explains M.S.'s design team. Start, no Start, Start, No Start. Tiles, no tiles.
It's like daytime TV now.
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