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Posted by timothy
from the national-brotherhood-week dept.
An anonymous reader writes with an unpleasant statistic from France, quoting David Corchia, who heads a service employed by large French news organizations to sift through and moderate comments made on their sites. Quoting YNet News: Corchia says that as an online moderator, generally 25% to 40% of comments are banned. Moderators are assigned with the task of filtering comments in accordance with France's legal system, including those that are racist, anti-Semitic or discriminatory. Regarding the war between the Israelis and Hamas, however, Corchia notes that some 95% of online comments made by French users are removed. "There are three times as many comments than normal, all linked to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," added Jeremie Mani, head of another moderation company Netino. "We see racist or anti-Semitic messages, very violent, that also take aim at politicians and the media, sometimes by giving journalists' contact details," he added. "This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments."
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In France, Most Comments on Gaza Conflict Yanked From Mainstream News Sites

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  • maybe (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 27, 2014 @09:37AM (#47542549)

    Maybe, if you could say the word Israel... without being called an anti-semite....

    This entire conflict is Evil... it doesn't matter, if one side is Jewish and the other side is Islam...

    It has nothing to do with that...

    Having said that... the Israeli apartheid state needs a wake up call... because they are doing what the south african's did before them.

    And, yes I am going there... and what the Nazis did before that.

    • The "fun" part is that being anti-Israel currently is less antisemitic than it is antifascist...

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Ateocinico (32734)

        The "fun" part is that being anti-Israel currently is less antisemitic than it is antifascist...

        Please explain why Israel or Jews are fascist. As someone whose family was victimized by fascism, I find your remark offensive in its banality.

        • Re:maybe (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Clsid (564627) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:37AM (#47542933)

          I would say the Russians were victimized a lot more than the Jews, and maybe even in a more cruel way like in the case of the starving of Leningrad. Israel is being fascist at the moment and I agree, it is awful to consider that Jewish people in Israel are today doing the same thing to others that they suffered in the not so distant past. Perhaps it is time to think about this whole hatred and land grabbing mentality again. Those Palestinian rockets are being launched for a reason.

          • I would say the Russians were victimized a lot more than the Jews, and maybe even in a more cruel way like in the case of the starving of Leningrad.

            So you think no Jews were starved, or worse? That's just sad.

            The starvation resulting from the siege of Leningrad was nothing compared to the Terror Famine unleashed on Ukraine by the Soviet government.

            Israel is being fascist at the moment

            Israel is a modern multi-party democracy of about 5 million people surrounded 100 million plus neighbors that tried to invade and destroy them on multiple occasions. Many of those neighbors, such as those in Hamas, haven't given up the dream of destroying Israel and killing the Jews.

            it is awful to consider that Jewish people in Israel are today doing the same thing to others that they suffered in the not so distant past.

            Extermination camps? Fo

        • Re:maybe (Score:5, Insightful)

          by war4peace (1628283) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:44AM (#47542993)

          My non-jewish family was victimized by fascism. But I don't run around yelling "I'm offended!" every time the subject is brought up. My family moved on 5 decades ago, and I still think it took the a bloody long time to do it.

          Seriously, stop it. Just let it go and move on. You're doing nobody any good.

          • My non-jewish family was victimized by fascism. But I don't run around yelling "I'm offended!" every time the subject is brought up. My family moved on 5 decades ago, and I still think it took the a bloody long time to do it.

            Seriously, stop it. Just let it go and move on. You're doing nobody any good.

            On the other hand it may give the survivors of Palestine a legal basis to demand restitution from Israel if ever justice be done. (Which I doubt...just sayin').

        • Actually, to be blunt, it is less "truly" fascist and resembles closer the German Nazism, complete with the ideal of the superiority of the own race, its right to rule over the lands it claims to "always have been" part of their "home land", the need for "Lebensraum", which has to be taken from others, preferably a group of people you can use as a scapegoat for all the ill that befalls your country and its people, a full blown paranoia over the (perceived or real) threat its neighbors present that can best

        • Re:maybe (Score:5, Informative)

          by nbauman (624611) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @06:06PM (#47545913) Homepage Journal

          The "fun" part is that being anti-Israel currently is less antisemitic than it is antifascist...

          Please explain why Israel or Jews are fascist.

          Because they do things like this:

          http://www2.ohchr.org/english/... [ohchr.org]

          773. At about 12.50 p.m., Khalid Abd Rabbo, his wife Kawthar, their three daughters, Souad (aged 9), Samar (aged 5) and Amal (aged 3), and his mother, Hajja Souad Abd Rabbo, stepped out of the house, all of them carrying white flags. Less than 10 metres from the door was a tank, turned towards their house. Two soldiers were sitting on top of it having a snack (one was eating chips, the other chocolate, according to one of the witnesses). The family stood still, waiting for orders from the soldiers as to what they should do, but none was given. Without warning, a third soldier emerged from inside the tank and started shooting at the three girls and then also at their grandmother. Several bullets hit Souad in the chest, Amal in the stomach and Samar in the back. Hajja Souad was hit in the lower back and in the left arm.

          [The IDF refused to let an ambulance bring them to the hospital, so they walked. Amal and Souad died. Samar had a spinal injury and was left paraplegic for life. The Israeli government never investigated this event or prosecuted the soldier responsible.]

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by cold fjord (826450)

            Because they do things like this:

            http://www2.ohchr.org/english/ [ohchr.org]... [ohchr.org]

            That isn't an indication of fascism, which is a particular political organization of the state. If that allegation is true is may constitute a war crime - if it is true and there are no mitigating factors. The truth of that allegation isn't clear, and it is completely unrelated to the organization of Israel's government.

            Let's check another source.

            HRW’s Credibility Gap: 14 Versions of the Abed Rabbo “White Flags” Incident [ngo-monitor.org]

            Such highly-charged moral accusations, and the repeated use of terms like “war crimes”, are largely based on Palestinian “testimony”, while the ability to verify these allegations is very limited or impossible. Although HRW repeated the misleading claim (in its Sept 10 statement) that its “on-the-ground investigations found no evidence of Palestinian fighters in the area at the time”, HRW had no researchers in Gaza until weeks after the fighting. Their entirely non-transparent, “investigations” apparently consisted of recording Palestinian statements in an interview process that is readily subject to manipulation, conducted by HRW officials who lack professional credentials and have a clear bias, (in this report, Joe Stork ) and are therefore impossible to evaluate.

            As in numerous other examples of highly flawed HRW “investigations” (Gaza Beach, the 2006 Lebanon War, etc.), as documented in detail in NGO Monitor’s report “Experts or Ideologues ”, the evidence shows major inconsistencies and contradictions in the Abed Rabbo incident. NGO Monitor, CAMERA , and other researchers have documented at least 14 significantly different versions of the story. NGOs have published 6 distinct accounts, and 8 others are from the media. The evolution of these accounts also suggests motivations for promoting allegations that may be far from the truth.

      • Re:maybe (Score:5, Informative)

        by cold fjord (826450) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @11:51AM (#47543381)

        The "fun" part is that being anti-Israel currently is less antisemitic than it is antifascist...

        The "fun" part is how thin that beard is [nytimes.com], especially when European Jews are being threatened and attacked as part of the rioting and violence in various European countries when the object of the protests is supposedly Israel.

        ‘Gas the Jews!’: European anti-Semitism during the Gaza crisis [vox.com]

        "They are not screaming 'death to the Israelis' on the streets of Paris, " Roger Cuikerman, head of French Jewish political group CRIF, said. "They are screaming ‘death to the Jews.'" ....

        According to the Associated Press, anti-Semitic slogans have popped up in protests inside Germany. "Gas the Jews," has been chanted at some protests, according to the Associated Press

        Well, many people have a hard time "thinking straight" [zombietime.com] when it comes to Israel.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Umm, have you paid attention to what the people in charge on the Palestinian side of this have done, and are doing? You know, things like killing people for being homosexual? Such that Arabs who have homosexual desires often seek, and receive, asylum in Israel. Or perhaps you have not noticed that their compatriots is Iraq have mandated female genital mutilation in at least one city which they control? Perhaps you have not noticed that the Syrian government has killed more Arabs this year than Israel has, b
      • Re:maybe (Score:5, Insightful)

        by angel'o'sphere (80593) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:21AM (#47542805) Homepage Journal

        That mandate is false and debunked since two weeks already, it never existed.
        Hint: genital mutilation is not an islamic thing but an africans natural religions/tribal thing.
        I don't know many 'arabs' got killed in this YEAR in Syria, but I know the death toll in Palestine was over 1000 in the last two weeks, perhaps you can enlighten us how that will scale for the rest of the year?

        • Re:maybe (Score:4, Informative)

          by Attila Dimedici (1036002) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:30AM (#47542877)
          Well, the death toll for two days in Syria during those same two week was 700, would you care to guess how that will scale over the rest of the year? My guess is that it will be significantly higher than the death toll in Palestine over the same period.
          • There is no news about the last two weeks from Syria ... perhaps it is no longer news ...

          • But it's not new so nobody cares. It may not be right, but that's how it works.

            Think about it. In the past year or so South Sudan, the Central African Republic, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and the Israel-Palestine-Gaza-mess have all been on the news. Most of these will have annual casualties well above the Israel-Palestine-Gaza-mess, but most of that does not matter on the 27th of July, because only Israel and the Ukrainians are currently new.

            More importantly if you;re a Westerner the only one of these cri

        • genital mutilation is not an islamic thing but an africans natural religions/tribal thing.

          I mean, maybe you could say that it's African in that it is most prevalent in countries in Africa. But it is significant in Iran and Iraq, as well. You can check out this link I painstakingly researched: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... [wikipedia.org]

        • by GeekBoy (10877)

          But the mandate to convert to Islam in Iraq is not false

          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-... [bbc.com]

          Convert or die (or pay a 'special' tax)

      • What does that have to do with anything? Does one side (well one side and people vaguely similar to them) being brutal to their people entitle the other side to slaughter even more of those people?

        • Well. except for the fact that nobody is paying much attention to Syria AND the Syrian government is slaughtering more Arabs than the Israeli government.
      • "Compatriot" means "someone of the same country". Which can't ever be the case if it's someone from a different country.

        • Since both the Arabs in Iraq and the Arabs in Palestine are seeking to establish the "Caliphate" I believe that the term "compatriot" is applicable.
      • Re:maybe (Score:4, Insightful)

        by sociocapitalist (2471722) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @12:55PM (#47543815)

        Umm, have you paid attention to what the people in charge on the Palestinian side of this have done, and are doing? You know, things like killing people for being homosexual? Such that Arabs who have homosexual desires often seek, and receive, asylum in Israel. Or perhaps you have not noticed that their compatriots is Iraq have mandated female genital mutilation in at least one city which they control? Perhaps you have not noticed that the Syrian government has killed more Arabs this year than Israel has, by a wide margin?

        You are lumping all muslims and arabs together and even if you were right to do so, itstillwould not justify the way that Israel is conducting themselves.

        40 Israelis dead, almost exclusively soldiers.
        1,000 Palestinians dead. About 80 percent of them civilian and about 20% of them children.

        This is not war. This is not a justified use of appropriate force. This is shooting fish in the barrel and, quantity aside, is disgustingly like what the Germans did to the Jews in WW2.

        • Read up on Sherman's March to the Sea or about German and Japanese casualties during WWII. From the standpoint of fighting a war for survival, which the state of Israel is doing (read the stated goals of Hamas and other Arab organizations which are waging wars of terror against Israel), Israel has inflicted insufficient casualties on the Palestinian Arabs. For that matter, why should Israel be condemned just because they do everything they can to protect their civilians, while their opponents do everything
          • Re:maybe (Score:5, Interesting)

            by sociocapitalist (2471722) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @01:53PM (#47544191)

            Read up on Sherman's March to the Sea or about German and Japanese casualties during WWII. From the standpoint of fighting a war for survival, which the state of Israel is doing (read the stated goals of Hamas and other Arab organizations which are waging wars of terror against Israel), Israel has inflicted insufficient casualties on the Palestinian Arabs. For that matter, why should Israel be condemned just because they do everything they can to protect their civilians, while their opponents do everything they can to maximize casualties among their own civilians?
            Hamas, and other Arab groups fighting against Israel, intentionally take actions so as to maximize the deaths of civilians, and particularly children. They store the missiles they fire at Israeli civilians in schools and hospitals. They use civilians, including children, as human shields while firing on Israeli soldiers. It is Hamas that is responsible for the death toll of civilians in Palestine.

            You're saying that it's okay to use terrorism to fight terrorism.

            Didn't your mother teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?

            I disagree with Hamas methods and I do not in any way support them. But I disagree with Israel's methods as well. Hamas hiding weapons in a school does not justify shelling that school when it is full of children.

            Israel is no longer fighting a war for survival. At one point that argument would have been valid but to say so now is ridiculous as no country in the middle east - and most likely not the entire middle east all together - could defeat Israel's military might.

            On top of that, Israel is not protecting their own civilians as killing Palestinian civilians will not stop Hamas. It will, in the long run, make Hamas stronger as more Palestinian families lose their loved ones and will do anything to strike back at Israel. Hatred begets hatred, as you should know as you evidently have been begot of hatred.

            Per your statement "Israel has inflicted insufficient casualties on the Palestinian Arabs" and the general content of what you are writing it appears that you do not care if those casualties that you wish to inflict are against valid military targets or against civilians. Is that correct?

            • I am saying that when one fights a war, one should fight to win in as short a time as possible. The only way to win a war is convince the civilian population of the other side that any price they might have to pay is better than for the war to continue.
              You make two mistakes. The first is that you believe that Israel killing civilians will not stop Hamas. At some point, if Israel makes things horrific enough for the civilians after a Hamas attack, the civilians will stop supporting Hamas and instead report
              • I am saying that when one fights a war, one should fight to win in as short a time as possible. The only way to win a war is convince the civilian population of the other side that any price they might have to pay is better than for the war to continue.

                You are arguing in favor of terrorism.

                The other way, the valid way, is to defeat the military opponent.

                You make two mistakes. The first is that you believe that Israel killing civilians will not stop Hamas. At some point, if Israel makes things horrific enough for the civilians after a Hamas attack, the civilians will stop supporting Hamas and instead report them to the IDF.

                It is self evident that killing people will make enemies of their families. You have nothing to base your assertion on at all, other than your opinion.

                Again you condone terrorism, warfare against a civilian population. Report them to the IDF? Are you insane? If you came and killed my child I would not report those trying to kill you to the police or army. I would do everything I could to support those

                • The Allies waged unrelenting war against the civilian population of Germany. What do you think the firebombing of Dresden was? Or for that matter the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
                  Please name the war that was won solely by defeating the military opponent?
    • by cmdr_tofu (826352)

      You are 100% right, antisemitism is a very real and very awful thing, but so is Israeli apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy).

      A few Israeli soldiers are refusing to serve and can get away with saying everything that needs to be said. (Well they can get away without being called antisemitic, but they are going to jail for it): http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com]

      I have the luxury of being friends with people who believe in different religions (including Islam and Judaism), an

    • by DarkOx (621550)

      Right the entire conflict is evil and it needs to end, but for it to end the West needs to quit meddling and and the various Palestinian groups need to accept reality.

      Its not the Wests fault for creating Israel. Sure we did but all throughout history wars have been fought and lines on maps have been redrawing various peoples have been pushed out of one spot or another by other groups. There has to be some statue of limitations on these things. 70 years on I think we need to acknowledge we are no-long res

    • by brianerst (549609)

      Maybe you wouldn't be considered an anti-semite if you didn't compare Israelis to Nazis.

      A comparison to South Africa or Rhodesia/Zimbabwe would be more apt - at least you've got some similarities (and some differences too - having a diaspora return to an ancestral homeland that still has a remnant of the original population is different than pure colonization). But nothing that is occurring in Israel/Palestine comes close to what the Nazi's did in a decade. It's a category error.

      • Re:maybe (Score:4, Insightful)

        by TFAFalcon (1839122) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:57AM (#47543077)

        It is quite similar to what the Nazis wanted to do. Not the Holocaust, but Lebensraum - they wanted to remove the 'inferior' Slavs from the land they wanted to occupy. Just like what Israel is trying to do now to the Palestinians (with none of the German 'efficiency').

    • by iceperson (582205)
      How many atheists, Christians, and Jews are members of the Palestinian government?
  • by Etherwalk (681268) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @09:48AM (#47542585)

    Won't someone think of the racists?

    Also, it doesn't say they don't take down racist comments against Palestinians.

    • Won't someone think of the racists?

      Also, it doesn't say they don't take down racist comments against Palestinians.

      "France continues to promote freedom of the press and speech online by allowing unfiltered access to most content, apart from limited filtering of child pornography and web sites that promote terrorism, or racial violence and hatred."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I... [wikipedia.org]

      Also, fuck the racists.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 27, 2014 @09:55AM (#47542623)

    The problem with most of these comments is that they are vile and hate-filled toward not just a country, but an entire religion.

    Europeans have laws against hate speech. That's why these comments are being deleted.

    Personally, I'd leave these comments in place. It shows the hatred that is being fomented in many Islamic middle eastern countries. We should know what they really think and why.

    I think deleting those comments is actually masking a terrible problem.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:12AM (#47542735)

      The problem is that the moment you don't blindly side with Israelis you are labeled as racist nazi sympathizer.

    • In some way it masks a 'terrible problem' however the fact that we know about the huge amount of deletions makes it visible as well.

      The problem behind the problem is: the laws go both ways. If the moderators of the publishers would not delete defaming posts, the publishers would be liable for publishing racist or hate speech, hence they easily would get sued.

    • by eulernet (1132389)

      And what is particularly worrying is that we are in a period of Ramadan.

      The month of Ramadan is a month of self-discipline and tolerance.
      I see no self-discipline nor tolerance here.

  • Meta-problem (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ka9dgx (72702)

    The big issue is that one group of refugees from an attempted Genocide is creating another group of refugees from their attempted Genocide.

    All else is lies.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by dskoll (99328)

      Israel's not very efficient at committing genocide. Boko Haram in Nigeria has killed far more people. ISIS in Syria too. Etc.

      The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a minor regional territorial conflict. But because of huge anti-Israel sentiment among UN members, combined with a healthy does of Islamic racism, this minor conflict that could have been settled years ago is kept festering because the Islamic bloc at the UN sees it as a useful tool to weaken Israel. It's pure cynical geopolitics fueled by Is

      • by Bob9113 (14996)

        Israel's not very efficient at committing genocide. Boko Haram in Nigeria has killed far more people. ISIS in Syria too. Etc.

        The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a minor regional territorial conflict. But because of huge anti-Israel sentiment among UN members, combined with a healthy does of Islamic racism, this minor conflict that could have been settled years ago is kept festering because the Islamic bloc at the UN sees it as a useful tool to weaken Israel. It's pure cynical geopolitics fueled by Islamic f

      • Whereas the palestinian Hamas terrorism and the various shananigan and threat from the various neighbors of Israel (or at least political show off) is undeniable, Israel policy is not that innocent either : the colonizing settlement do certainly poison further the situation.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Jason Levine (196982)

        Another piece of evidence towards this point: After the wars with Israel, Jordan found itself with a good amount of Palestinian refugees. Publicly, Jordan bemoaned the horrible fate of these Palestinians. They were living in tents and looked horrible. However, Jordan could have easily settled them within their territory. They chose not to because - for all of their claims of caring about the Palestinians - their "care" was about how the Palestinians could be manipulated to make Israel look bad.

        This con

      • You can say the same about literally any conflict.

        If only the UK had been willing to give up six counties, or Irish Catholics had been willing to abandoned those counties en masse; or Lebanese Muslims had not minded that they were second-class citizens, or Lebanese Christians had been willing to recognize that the majority changed; or Iraqi Sunnis/Sh'as were willing to give up everything they hold dear; etc. It's really easy to sit in air conditioning and write peace proposals which would make everyone bett

    • Eisenhower was right (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Calavar (1587721) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @11:12AM (#47543143)
      If ever there was a state that was consumed by the military-industrial complex, it was Israel.

      If you look at military spending as a percentage of GDP, Israel spends 1.5x as much as the US. 2% of Israel's population is active military. If you include reservists, that goes up to 9%. Compare this to 0.2% and 0.4%, respectively, for the US.

      Israel is a country that is largely lead by war heros from the 60s and 70s and their acolytes. Let's look at the recent PMs of Israel: Netanyahu (former IDF commando), Ehud Barak (former chief of staff of the IDF), Shimon Peres (former defense minister), Ariel Sharon (former IDF general, former minister of defense), Yitzhak Rabin (former chief of staff of the IDF), Yitzhak Shamir (former Mossad agent). The only PM in the past 40 years who didn't have significant connections to the Israeli defense establishment was Ehud Olmert. (He didn't do anything significant beyond the compulsory military service.) If you look at the financial ties between Israeli government officials and major defense companies, things get even more mixed up.

      The fact is that ever since the Camp David Accords and the agreement with Sadat, Israel was never again in danger of being wiped off the map. Sure, there were sporadic threats from groups like Hezbollah, but in these conflicts, Israel was always orders of magnitude more powerful than it's opponent. The Israeli government should have begun massively downsizing it's military, but it did not.

      When you have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. When you have a huge military, every problem begins to look like one that should be solved by force. When you're country is led by dozens of ex-military and next to no one that was, say, ex-foreign ministry, macho man diplomacy becomes the rule. When you have a former commando negotiating prisoner swap with Palestinians rather than a former diplomat, you end up with commandos going in and rearresting the released prisoners [reuters.com]. This incident is just once symptom of a larger problem. The Israeli government hasn't just fallen victim to the pressures of the military-industrial complex; it is the military-industrial complex.

  • Here in France we have:

    - Massive immigration from Arab countries (1)
    - Extremely stupid and obedient journalists (2)
    - Very active Jewish lobbies that successfully implanted the equation "criticism of Israel = antisemitism" into the brains of said journalists and politicians.

    It's only logical a lot of people support the Palestinians and hate the journalists. It's also expected that journalists will describe these people as antisemitic.

    (1) more accurately Maghreb i.e. Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria
    (2) they make

    • by mjwalshe (1680392)
      I think you forgot a higher level of anti-Semitism in france when compared to other European country's for example Denmark and the UK
  • by pla (258480) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @10:49AM (#47543027) Journal
    This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments.

    The war in Syria doesn't involve a nuclear state casually bulldozing civilian houses, complete with civilians inside, all because a handful of pesky terrorists keep lobbing ineffective bombs into empty fields.

    Israel's problem really boils down to a matter of proportion. Yes, they have an unenviable situation to deal with; but they have chosen to respond in a way that makes them look like monsters (to the point that even many Jewish Israelis consider their government's behavior nothing short of reprehensible). When you cook ants with a magnifying glass, no one blames the ants, even if one or two do manage to sting you.


    As for the FP's hypothetical French forum moderator - You count as part of the problem. When people can freely say things such as what I wrote above, they can contribute to the discussion, sometimes even vent a bit, and move on. When, however, fairly peaceful discussion vanishes under some bullshit pretense of racism - People then feel the need to escalate the impact of their few words making it through to other eyes.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by iceperson (582205)
      That "handful of pesky terrorists" happen to be the elected Palestinian government. This is what happens when people elect terror organizations as their representatives...
      • by Uberbah (647458) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @02:45PM (#47544475)

        That "handful of pesky terrorists" happen to be the elected Palestinian government. This is what happens when people elect terror organizations as their representatives...

        More like....lies repeated by those who are useful fools at best and racists at worst. The storyline put forth goes like so: this all started when Hamas kidnapped three teenagers and then killed them in June. Israel launched a search and rescue mission, and Hamas responded by firing rockets.

        But it's all bullshit. The month before the teens were kidnapped, the IDF straight up murdered [theguardian.com] two Palestinian boys in the street. And the month before that Israel tried to provoke Hamas by murdering [reuters.com] one of its members the same night that Hamas and Fatah announced a unity agreement. Despite Israel's repeated violations of it's own cease fire agreement with Hamas, no rockets were fired.

        But Bibi found the excuse he needed with the kidnappings of the three teenagers. Despite being pretty damned sure they were all dead - you can hear gunshots over one of the teens cell phones and the car was soon found full of blood and bullet casings - they spent weeks arresting Palestinians and bulldozing homes in Gaza for a kidnapping in the West Bank even after the Palestinian Authority was helping [voanews.com] search for the missing teens. And even Israeli outlets admit [timesofisrael.com] that rockets were only fired in response to IDF attacks:

        1. At least 16 rockets were fired at Israel Monday morning, most of them hitting open areas in the Eshkol region, the army said. The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.

        Since then, a thousand Palestinians have died, many of them children, for which the population equivalent would be over 200,000 people getting killed in the U.S. On the Israeli side, almost all of the ~35 deaths have been soldiers, with only three civilians dying, and only one via rocket. Scale and proportion? Get some.

    • all because a handful of pesky terrorists keep lobbing ineffective bombs into empty fields.

      Houses have been destroyed by these rockets. People have been killed. Millions of people have to run to shelters every few hours (or several times an hour, depending where they live). In a handful of incidents squads of Hamas terrorists have emerged from tunnels or the sea close to small Israeli towns, and if they weren't spotted by the Israeli military they would have taken over these towns, slaughtering or kidnapping their population.

      Yes, they have an unenviable situation to deal with; but they have chosen to respond in a way that makes them look like monsters

      Ok, Mr. Prime Minister. What would you consider a proportionate response

  • Did anyone actually expect to read a single interesting comment on this article?
    As opposed to hundreds of angry people pushing either one political view or the other?

  • by cmdr_tofu (826352) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @05:46PM (#47545775) Homepage

    From mainstream news, you would think this is a conflict Muslim Palestinians and Jewish Israelis. While that element exists, there are a lot of Israelis who do not support the actions of their government. There are massive demonstrations in Israel right now and a very strong contingent of JATO (Jews Against The Occuppation)

    http://countercurrentnews.com/... [countercurrentnews.com]

    In my opinion this is a conflict between pro-peace people and pro-war people.

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