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Google+ Photos To Be Separated From Google+ 114

Posted by timothy
from the they-always-kill-the-ones-you-love dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Speculation on the eventual shuttering of Google+ has once more risen with news that Google+ Photos will soon be developed and run separately from the social media site. This news follows observations that Google+ "was barely mentioned at Google I/O 2014, while there were 15 sessions dedicated to the service in 2013" and that the company has ended its controversial real name policy. Google Hangouts was also separated from Google+ at the end of July." I've actually heard several people praising Google+ lately; scaling it back to "just a social stream" probably fits into some kind of corollary to Murphy's Law.
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Google+ Photos To Be Separated From Google+

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  • Yay! (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 01, 2014 @06:07PM (#47585807)
    First there were Picasa Web Albums [wikipedia.org]. Last year my albums got moved to my Google+ account. Now there is a new branding coming along.. My albums will be moved to another service once again..
    • by Anonymous Coward

      What's with companies like Google, Mozilla and Microsoft continuing to work on projects that are obvious failures, even this is obvious before they've even been released?

      Windows 8 is perhaps the best example of this. Everybody who was exposed to it before its final release hated it. When there's that much dislike from the early adopters, it will be absolutely hated by everyone else. That's guaranteed! And what did we see eventually happen with Windows 8? Well, as predicted, everybody who had to use it hated

      • For Microsoft there is the obvious counterexample to the "good old days" of Windows Me the OS ...
      • by Anonymous Coward

        Have you actually used a Chromebook? As a 20% Linux sysadmin, 80% manager, I have no difficulties using my Chromebook as my primary computer. Access to web and SSH is pretty much all I need.

        • Anyone that hates the Chromebook has probably not watched "regular people" use one. I picked up a c720 new for $175, put a larger SSD in it to dual boot Linux and Chrome OS and its been worth every dime. Everyone that has used Chrome has loved it as they just want a browser and email and I have found it to run Linux very well with the right config. I have been a UNIX sysadmin fo over 20 years and the fact that I can use a sub $200 device to do most of what I need when visiting a client blows my mind. I reme

          • by Anonymous Coward

            They may not say it outright, but your clients probably think you're kind of dumb for using "a sub $200 device to do most of what I need when visiting a client" instead of using a real laptop.

            It's the "most" part that's key. The moment you need to do something beyond what crappy web imitations of real software allow you to do, you start wishing that you had a real laptop. Your clients start wishing you had a real laptop, too. It probably takes just one or two incidents, and the $200 you saved by buying a sh

            • My clients care that I get the job done not what I use to do it. I have several powerful laptops but mostly what I need is a device to run SSH sessions (and some serial sessions) so a Chromebook running Ubuntu works just dandy. If I need more I will obviously use the right tool for the job but a $175 c720 lets me do 95% of what I need and I dont worry about theft of any damage it might take since its so cheap. Now excuse me while my dumb ass walks a block to the beach from my home that I paid for by doing d

          • Anyone that hates the Chromebook has probably not watched "regular people" use one.

            (bolding mine)

            I picked up a c720 new for $175, put a larger SSD in it to dual boot Linux and Chrome OS and its been worth every dime.

            ... the fact that I can use a sub $200 device to do most of what I need

            I'm not sure that someone who changes the OS and storage is representative of "regular people." Or of a sub $200 device, for that matter. How much did the SSD cost?

            • Yea, for sure, normal people wont setup a Chromebook to dual boot. I only keep ChromeOS on it for others to use but everyone that I have let use it has found it to work great. Several of them have ditched their larger and heavier laptops to go with a c720 and they are all quite happy with them as all they really need is good battery life and access to a browser and email.

              If I remember correctly the 64GB SSD was only about $25-$30 so the total cost of the setup was right around $200. It runs Ubuntu 14.04 ver

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Personally, I'm much more of a fan of buying a really good, long-lived computer (say a ThinkPad or a MacBook Pro), and using that as my only machine for work.

            That way:
            1) When I go to a client site, they see I'm not using the modern equivalent of plastic tinker toys to run their mission critical infrastructure (believe it or not, the customer's perception of quality service IS impacted by you dressing up nice, and having professional-looking tools);
            2) When I go to a client site, I have my entire toolkit wi

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          You're not really using the Chromebook at all in that case, then. It's the servers you're connecting to using the web browser or ssh that do all of the real work. The Chromebook is, at best, a dumb terminal. But unlike a traditional dumb terminal, your dumb terminal may very well be sending information to Google that they then use when advertising crap to you.

          I have seen regular people use a Chromebook, and they are not at all happy when they find out that it doesn't run Word, Excel, games, and other Window

          • Yep..I pretty much use it as a dumb terminal but I am not sending anything to Google as I only boot to Linux when I use it, it only boots to Chrome when I let my wife of someone else use it. It might not be ideal for everyone but it does the trick for my needs and keeps me from having to tote my expensive MacBook around in crappy areas of LA. For the money they are great devices, and I totally get that they are not for everyone, but for the money they can be great tools.

    • Re:Yay! (Score:4, Informative)

      by Solandri (704621) on Friday August 01, 2014 @08:57PM (#47586717)

      First there were Picasa Web Albums. Last year my albums got moved to my Google+ account. Now there is a new branding coming along.. My albums will be moved to another service once again.

      You can still access your albums via picasaweb.google.com (picasa.com directs to a download without any links to get you to your albums). It's much more flexible and has more options than Google+ (particularly when it comes to album management). I've just continued to use picasaweb for my albums (there's a Lightroom extension which automatically uploads my photos to it). I've just been using it as though my photos also happen to show up on Google+, not the other way around.

      I suspect the "another service" they'll move it to is photos.google.com (redirects to plus.google.com/photos). They've already migrated the photo viewer in Android to a Photos app. As long as they keep the additional functionality that's on picasaweb, it won't make any difference to me what they call it nor what URL I have to use to get to it.

  • Until they come clean on what they're mining from your activities, I'd stay away from it.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      it would be easier and faster for them to list what they don't mine.... here, i'll list them out for you.

      1. (this space intentionally left blank)

      done.

    • by swillden (191260) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Friday August 01, 2014 @08:07PM (#47586457) Homepage Journal

      Until they come clean on what they're mining from your activities, I'd stay away from it.

      What's to "come clean" about? Their privacy policy says they aggregate information about you from all your uses of their services. There you go. That's it. What else do you want to know? What they'll use it for? For providing you services, and for selling ads which they display to you.

      Seems pretty obvious and straightforward to me.

      (Disclosure: It's not really relevant to the content of my comment, but I'm a Google employee. I'm not, however, a Google spokesperson. The above is my own words and opinions only.)

      • by ljw1004 (764174)

        I'd like to know *which* information they aggregate.

        • by GNious (953874)

          aaaaaallllllll of it.

          simples

        • by swillden (191260)

          I'd like to know *which* information they aggregate.

          I think it's safe to assume that all of the data you put into Google services is fair game. I suspect (but don't know), that Google isn't actually able to make the kind of detailed, nuanced use of the data that is often speculated, but the privacy policy says they collect the data you put into their services, so I'd assume that all of it is collected.

    • by cmorriss (471077) on Friday August 01, 2014 @08:11PM (#47586473)

      Good lord people. They use your information to display ads. Just like almost every other social network in existence. Clearly this isn't a sticking point for most people or Facebook would be a ghost town.

      Problem for you? Fine don't use it, but it's not like it's a secret. For most people it's worth the conveniences Google provides to have their data mined. I know it is for me.

      • Good lord people. They use your information to display ads. Just like almost every other social network in existence. Clearly this isn't a sticking point for most people or Facebook would be a ghost town.

        Problem for you? Fine don't use it, but it's not like it's a secret. For most people it's worth the conveniences Google provides to have their data mined. I know it is for me.

        The problem isn't the data mining or the ads, it's the potential for abuse of the raw data. Your search history is gold to anyone who wants to stalk/harass/blackmail/steal from you. The good news is that Google doesn't have police powers, and is pretty neutral about people's viewpoints and what they want to do. The bad news is at the least the NSA has/had access to it. Search for the wrong thing on Google and you'll never fly again in the US. Plus it's a prime target for hackers. Potentially worth mor

  • android games (Score:5, Informative)

    by ganjadude (952775) on Friday August 01, 2014 @06:14PM (#47585855) Homepage
    The only thing google plus is used for by me is games on android. I prefer it than having 1000 logins, nor using facebook for game logins. I havent found a real use for it other than that
    • Re:android games (Score:5, Informative)

      by Parker Lewis (999165) on Friday August 01, 2014 @07:45PM (#47586367)
      The tech communities are really good. You can stay in touch with some tech leaders, discuss about some nich stuff (like your favorite Linux distro, Astronomy), etc. To me, Facebook = family and friend network. G+ = tech network.
    • in games that allow it, i choose to login thru fb than g+. because that allows me to play against my friends with iphone or the rare windows phone. but yeah, except this, there is no other use for g+.

  • by HaeMaker (221642) on Friday August 01, 2014 @06:17PM (#47585881) Homepage
    Sigh.
    • I logged in w/ my Google+ account just to Like you or +1 you or give you karma or something. Seriouly Ive been on /. since day 1 and I dont know how to do whatever it is Im supposed to do. Maybe Google will just read this and do it for me? Anyway, what you said.
    • Nah, Plus Photos needs an insane frenetic unusable landing page like Hangouts and then only ten percent of the features of Picasa, so they can go ahead and kill Picasa and then kill Plus Photos in two years when nobody uses it.

  • Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by buckfeta2014 (3700011) on Friday August 01, 2014 @06:21PM (#47585911)
    De-plus youtube while you're at it... Fuck that noise.
    • Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by swillden (191260) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Friday August 01, 2014 @08:09PM (#47586461) Homepage Journal

      De-plus youtube while you're at it..

      I have to disagree with that. YouTube is a much friendlier and saner place since the integration. The integration did increase the noise on Google+, but all in all I think it's better.

      • by iampiti (1059688)
        The comments might be better, but who the hell thought it was a good idea to add the Google+ shares in the comments? It ads nothing but pollution
        • by swillden (191260)
          I suppose that's true for the shares that don't add a comment. Well, except that I like to see when my G+ friends have shared something, whether I'm looking at it from G+ or from YouTube. So, just removing the text-free shares wouldn't be quite the ticket, either. Hmm.
          • by iampiti (1059688)
            I think that kind of thing belongs more in Google+. Anyway they should offer an option to remove that from the Youtube comments
            • by swillden (191260)
              There is no difference between a share with a comment on G+ and a comment on YouTube. They are the same thing. I think there's an argument to be made that shares without any comment are noise on YouTube... of course, I think they're largely noise on G+ as well, so maybe the solution is to find a way to encourage people to write something when sharing.
  • ... "seperate"

  • I tried silver bullets, garlic, holy water, blessings, etc and Google+ still wouldn't die. I wonder what finally killed it. Maybe a knight in shining armor, accompanied by the court wizard, went on a quest to destroy Google+ and he's finally at the final boss.
    Everyone hates it? Complete immunity! The FTC, protests, petitions, foreign government lawsuits, HA! Laughable. WHAT? IT'S NOT MAKING ANY MONEY? *dies*
    • by Anonymous Coward

      One of the big problems that EU countries have with Google is the inter-linking of the services it offers, which is a strong intrusion on privacy in European eyes. Americans seem not to care about that, but all EU countries have Data Protection Authorities and applicable laws about that kind of thing, so Google has been getting a lot of heat over it. Indeed, Google's banner line of "One account. All of Google." reads like a threat over here.

      So, it's possible that Google has realized that its previous bus

  • by Bob_Who (926234) <Bob&who,net> on Friday August 01, 2014 @09:01PM (#47586753) Homepage Journal
    Google needed to sort out users versus user accounts. They had to distiguish all of the duplicate human beings, as separate from their various accounts. The high value data is gmail storage, google docs, and especially picasa web albums. Google sites hosted my web site experiments, and docs and forms, cloud stored my binaries, and voice relayed to my phone numbers, wallet, etc etc. The process of attempting to force feed Google+ to me, though futile, still accomplished their primary objective: It functioned to consolidate my multiple user ids and to figure out what I claim is the meaningful data.

    While Google+ is a marketing fail, it was a database validation success, while also changing the overall TOS. This process unified various random accounts to identify the actual user. It combined the data of browsing habits, purchases, phone numbers, handles, ips, mac addresses, adress books, etc. They were all mined and combined to fully implicate individuals accessing anything Google. The fact is, that until all of this Google+ bullshit, I had quietly tucked away thousands of photographs which filled several accounts to the brink. The process of contending with the change forced me to access everything which eliminated the redundancy of me as multiple users. Now Google can be sure its all one of me, which they knew all along, but this just confirms my usage profile and actual breathing existence. I'm not worth as much money to advertisers if I am a redundant user already counted and sold. Just one of me is their assurance to clients so there's no double dipping on real head count. I feel so special, like social currency of unique importance to statistical metrics....
  • I am nonplussed and yet, not nonplussed. Figure that out ;)

  • by enter to exit (1049190) on Saturday August 02, 2014 @01:45AM (#47587609)
    Considering Google killed off Orkut at the end of last month, and still haven't killed blogspot/blogger i suspect Google+ will hang around for a while longer.

    It's a lot more integrated into their other services than Orkut and blogger ever were as well.

    I suspect Google+ will morph into a "Value added" social backend for some of their products, youtube, hangouts, gmail all have Google+ hooks. They are starting to use Google+ to rank your searches, I see my friends posts in my search results often now. They could use this to add personalization to Google Now.

    In a couple of years Google+ may be closer to Discus's "embed everyone" model than Facebook's silo. They might end up using Google+ to integrate the data across their products, which were (and still are) siloed until recently and just remove the Google+ homepage.
  • My friends don't hang out on Google+ and I sure as hell don't post to the site... But it's a nice social stream to get info about my hobbies and people I follow. Heck of a lot better than FB. Not sure where I'll go if G+ shutters down.

  • There's now 2; 1 for G+ and 1 for Piscasa and they don't play well together especially for Mobile. Instant Upload and AutoBackup create 2 different directories and Instant Upload isn't viewable from Android even when you use it in Android. The UI is different for Picasa and G+ even though they're supposed to be the same thing. They have different features. So is this going to be a THIRD way? Because that will suck and it will be time to move everything somewhere else.

    On the upside, not needing an 80MB G+ cl

  • The first post I made in Google+ is this:

    # go away
    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /

  • Sorry for the following rant...

    My photos should stay entirely offline unless I chose to upload them. My last Android phone had them uploading to Google+ by default, without my explicit approval or agreement. Private online photo storage for backups is something that I sometimes use, along with backing up other files. If there is a photo that I want to share with people I will but having them stolen is not appreciated.

    I use my Android phone for personal and business purposes. It is frustrating that the a

    • by Troed (102527)

      My last Android phone had them uploading to Google+ by default, without my explicit approval or agreement.

      Odd. I've always been asked, very explicitly and clear, if I approve of having my photos backed up to Google+ from my Android phone. I've always answered No, and they haven't.

  • Something to do with that period where Google+ thought it could upload my photos without asking. Google+ is just distancing itself from what is now no-doubt the largest repository of kiddy porn on the internet.

  • Google Plus is only incidentally a social network. It was designed to merge and centrally manage the YouTube, Picasa, GMail, et al accounts. It's been quite effective. The stream was an easy add-on goal and an additional selling point for consumers. Circles offer a nice benefit and are being used now not just for the Plus stream but to notify people about one another's activities on the other sites like YouTube.

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