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Former MLB Pitcher Doxes Internet Trolls, Delivers Real-World Consequences 467

An anonymous reader writes: When Twitter trolls began posting obscene, sexually explicit comments about his teenage daughter, former MLB pitcher Curt Schilling responded by recording their comments and gathering personal information readily available to the public. He then doxxed two of them on his blog, resulting in one being suspended from his community college and the other being fired from his part-time job as a ticket seller for the New York Yankees. There were seven others in Curt's crosshairs, all college athletes, but although he hasn't publicly doxxed those individuals, he hints, "I found it rather funny at how quickly tone changed when I heard via email from a few athletes who'd been suspended by their coaches. Gone was the tough guy tweeter, replaced by the 'I'm so sorry' apology used by those only sorry because they got caught."
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Former MLB Pitcher Doxes Internet Trolls, Delivers Real-World Consequences

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  • Sad (Score:5, Informative)

    by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @06:56PM (#49176233) Journal

    There are far too many sociopaths in the world, and the Internet seems to be a perfect playground for their misanthropy.

    • Re:Idiotic (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Bite The Pillow ( 3087109 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:23PM (#49177933)

      Sociopaths and Misanthropes are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

      The foundation of their illness, the description - basically - no, not basically. At every definition, these are completely different.

      LEARN 2 WORD.

      I won't beleaguer the point, but you need to be slapped on the ass with a dictionary.

      There are too many sociopaths. The internet seems to be a perfect playground where ignorant people can pretend to be informed, and hurt other people in the process.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by the phantom ( 107624 )

        Since you refuse to clarify, and I, being relatively ignorant, must rely on the dictionary definitions, I don't understand the point you are trying to make:

        sociopath: a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

        misanthrope: a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.

        From those definitions, it appears that it is possible to be a misanthrope and not be sociopathic, but that one of the defining characteristics of being a sociopath is some level of misanthropy (or, at least, misanthropic behaviour). Of course, rather than berating the original poster, perhaps you could attempt to bring clarity. On the other hand, perh

        • by Cederic ( 9623 )

          Why can't a sociopath embrace human society and like people? That doesn't stop them doing nasty things.

          I like my small furry creatures in Lemmings. I teach them how to help themselves. They're lovely and cute and so sweet when I tell them to commit suicide, and go, "Oh no!" just before making like fundamentalist muslim.

  • Doxing isn't using public information. It's using private information. Otherwise a phone book would be doxing, so would house addresses.

    • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Chris Katko ( 2923353 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:05PM (#49176307)
      It's using information to garner a public lynching response. Just because the information exists somewhere public doesn't mean it's not doxxing. My drivers license is public information. But if you put it next to a "guy flips old lady the bird" video on YouTube, you are inciting a public response. You are conveniently linking data to the emotional information that would incite someone to act.

      But that's just like, uh, my opinion man. So feel free to disagree.
      • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by sabri ( 584428 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:25PM (#49176439)

        It's using information to garner a public lynching response

        which, in this particular case, was the best thing he could have done.

        His only three alternatives were, in order of saneability:

        - do nothing;
        - go to a local police station and see the complaint archived in a desk;
        - do what I probably have done and get a shotgun out to protect his little girl from threats of sexual assault and worse;

        This guy is the best dad this girl could have right now.

        • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @08:51PM (#49177187)

          No it is NOT the best thing he could do. He is completely reliant on the information he gathered being factual and correct, which he has no way to verify. If someone had decided to leave a trail to an innocent person he could well be up for some serious legal trouble not to mention the pain he inflicted on them. vigilante responses are dangerous. His targets may have been correct this time, but I will almost bet everything I have that someone will now try and take advantage of what he has done to screw over someone innocent next time.

          • not to mention the pain he inflicted on them.

            Won't somebody PLEASE think of the child molesters!

        • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:09PM (#49177323)

          His only three alternatives were, in order of saneability: ...

          Given we're talking about Curt Schilling, he had a fourth option readily available - he could've slapped them silly using a bloody sock.

        • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:4, Interesting)

          by RedWizzard ( 192002 ) on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @01:44AM (#49178443)
          He could have contacted the bully's schools/employers directly, as he apparently did with the other 7 college athletes he mentioned. He could still have publicised the resulting consequences as a warning without exposing these assholes to the inevitable internet pile-on that is occurring now. He's obviously made a judgement that those 7 deserve a second chance and the 4 he outed do not. But while I have little sympathy for these dickheads, and I completely understand his motivation, I don't like this eye-for-an-eye response. There is no proportionality when something like this goes viral. Should these guys have their lives ruined over this? Should they be subjected to the same bullying magnified through the lens of a million internet users out for "justice"? I think not. If one of these idiots kills himself over the response Curt will have effectively sentenced him to death. We shouldn't be comfortable with that outcome as a society.
          • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Xyrus ( 755017 ) on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @11:47AM (#49180585) Journal

            But while I have little sympathy for these dickheads, and I completely understand his motivation, I don't like this eye-for-an-eye response.

            Easy to say when it isn't your daughter receiving death/rape threats. I don't know of a single parent who wouldn't do this (and more) if their children are threatened.

            There is no proportionality when something like this goes viral.

            Then the assholes shouldn't have said anything in the first place. We're not talking about a couple of screwed up kids thinking that they're funny. The people doing this were adults. There is no fucking excuse for this.

             

            Should these guys have their lives ruined over this?

            Actions have consequences. I don't know why people can't get this through their heads. The same freedom that allows you to post rape treats is the same freedom someone can use to hunt you down and expose you.

            If someone came onto your lawn and started yelling about how they were going to rape your daughter, they're not going to get a little slap on the wrist. They'd get arrested, thrown in jail, and possibly be put on a sex offender list.

            IF YOU WOULDN'T DO IT IN REAL LIFE, THEN DON'T FUCKING DO IT ON THE INTERNET.

            Should they be subjected to the same bullying magnified through the lens of a million internet users out for "justice"? I think not.

            Tough. Shit. They should have thought about that before publicly posting rape threats.

            If one of these idiots kills himself over the response Curt will have effectively sentenced him to death. We shouldn't be comfortable with that outcome as a society.

            No, he wouldn't. He's not responsible for what people do with the information. He's letting people know that there as some twisted fucks in their midst. That's a public service. I'm pretty sure most parents don't want to be associated with (or have their kids associated with) someone who thinks it's funny to make brutal rape threats.

            Actions have consequences. If you can't handle the consequences or potential consequences of your actions, THEN DON'T FUCKING DO THEM. The fact that these assholes/idiots didn't stop to think about all the ways this could come back and bite them on the ass is no excuse. We may be a society laws, but we are also a society of humans.

    • Yes, I am uncomfortable with the use of "doxing" to mean de-anonymizing a libeler, when there are innocent victims of doxing [salon.com].
      • by unrtst ( 777550 )

        Yes, I am uncomfortable with the use of "doxing" to mean de-anonymizing a libeler, when there are innocent victims of doxing [salon.com].

        Get used to it, cause doxing refers to what's done, not the motivation. For example, "murder" is someone kills someone else, be it by accident, pre-mediated, etc.

        In addition, whe he did falls entirely within the current definition of doxing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing). IE:

        Doxing is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting personally identifiable information about an individual. The methods employed to acquire this information include searching publicly available databases and social media websites (like Facebook), hacking, and social engineering.

        The very first method is searching publicly available information!

        "Innocent victims of doxing"... is that supposed to be like "but think of the children!" Doxing is what it is. Whether the result is good or bad is subjective and

        • by msauve ( 701917 )
          Yep. Dox comes from documents (docs), as in documenting a person trying to hide behind a pseudonym. Any further connotation comes from context.
        • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:5, Informative)

          by kogut ( 1133781 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @08:14PM (#49176871)

          For example, "murder" is someone kills someone else, be it by accident, pre-mediated, etc.

          Incorrect, and also a terrible example for the point you're trying to make. Murder is the malicious, unlawful killing of someone. It is certainly *not* appropriate to use "murder" to describe an accident. Manslaughter is killing someone with mitigating legal circumstances. Accidentally kiling someone is usually called involuntary manslaughter.

          • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:5, Informative)

            by unrtst ( 777550 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:16PM (#49177361)

            You are correct. I used the wrong word. I believe a more appropriate word would have been "Homicide", which is simply to cause the death of another human being, whereas "murder" and "manslaughter" are types of homicide.

            My point stands though, so thanks for correcting me, and a big FU to the AC's yelling STFU and contributing nothing of value to the topic.

          • For example, "murder" is someone kills someone else, be it by accident, pre-mediated, etc.

            Incorrect, and also a terrible example for the point you're trying to make. Murder is the malicious, unlawful killing of someone. It is certainly *not* appropriate to use "murder" to describe an accident. Manslaughter is killing someone with mitigating legal circumstances. Accidentally kiling someone is usually called involuntary manslaughter.

            He probably meant homicide. If one person kills another person it's always homicide, regardless of accidents/self-defense/etc.

      • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by amicusNYCL ( 1538833 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @08:06PM (#49176773)

        Here's a story about Curt Schilling calling out the guys who are talking about fisting and raping his underage daughter, and you're "uncomfortable" with how people use the word "doxing." Way to keep things in perspective.

        Here, here's a definition for you:

        search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent

    • Re:Uh ...wat? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mattventura ( 1408229 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:24PM (#49176431) Homepage
      Better question is how dumb does a troll have to be to actually be linked to their real-life identity without someone actually cracking their account security?
      • by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:35PM (#49176503) Homepage

        There's a reason why no culture on Earth uses the idiom "as smart as a troll."

        Likewise "as pretty as an airport." -Douglas Adams.

      • Better question is how dumb does a troll have to be to actually be linked to their real-life identity without someone actually cracking their account security?

        If you looked at what these guys posted, you know that they are absolutely in the bottom 5 percent of the IQ department. So I'm not surprised at all.

      • by dbIII ( 701233 ) on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @04:50AM (#49178933)
        Only as dumb as more than 99% of Facebook users.
        Remember we used to tell kids not to give out their real name on the net? Then Facebook happened and what used to appear to be dumb is now the default.
        It would be truly ironic for you to post what you've written above if your name really is Matthew Ventura.
        Even more so if I was really the software dbaseIII that had become self aware over the years instead of someone taking the common form of it's name as a handle.
  • away
  • Seems like he's cool (Score:5, Informative)

    by russotto ( 537200 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:18PM (#49176383) Journal

    The guys who were just messing around with stuff like "Can't wait to date her!" he responded in kind, and the people who were total shits he took the gloves off with.

  • by Rigel47 ( 2991727 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:30PM (#49176469)
    All too often we assume that dealing with trolls is like pissing in the wind but a few crushing responses now and then (being made "famous" and getting fired) is a start. The idiocy of these guys writing stuff like that to a dude who has a wide audience is nothing short of astounding. It's akin to threatening Obama and then being surprised when the Secret Service shows up.

    At any rate, screw the scumbags, they deserve their comeuppance.
  • This guy just made himself the target of trolls everywhere. Boasting about this will prove to have been a very poor choice.

    • This guy just made himself the target of trolls everywhere. Boasting about this will prove to have been a very poor choice.

      I doubt it. These guys look like lamers even to other trolls.

    • trolls are common pathetic cowards. they're middle school bullies in adult bodies if they aren't in fact actual middle school bullies. any effective defense against their lame efforts immediately chases them away like shining a light on a bunch of cockroaches

      you're talking about another kind of douchebag: the stalker

      but what gets the kind of person who becomes a celebrity stalker excited isn't avenging trolls

      if curt schilling or his daughter attract an actual griefing stalker, it won't be because of this episode

      and even then, the proper defense is the response he's already engaged in: a good offense. shut the shitbag down, hard, immediately. schilling sounds like he has his act together. his daughter will be protected and taken care of from the slime out there

  • by Shadow of Eternity ( 795165 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:38PM (#49176539)

    is that sooner or later we're all witches.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      we're talking about targeted low grade comeuppance for bad behavior, directed at the actual douchebags who committed the bad behavior

      we're not talking about targeting waves of completely innocent teenage girls for hysterical spasms of imagined delusional fantastic crimes, and then murdering them brutally

      so no, sorry, your analogy sucks and you don't know what you're talking about

  • Pandora's Box (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mrex ( 25183 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:54PM (#49176685)

    The irresponsibility with which the modern media operates astounds me. The cheerleading tone of this article is unmissable. We are supposed to rise from our seats and applaud this sportsmensch who hunted down the skeeves speaking ill of his daughter. And hey, on one level, I do.

    But here's a little perspective that NJ.com apparently can't be counted on to supply. Just because this case is pretty black and white doesn't mean they all will be. The next time, some jackass will create social networking profiles with breadcrumbs leading back to their real target, and with minimal effort will get a Curt Schilling to do the dirty work, and bear the legal liability, for them.

    This is why we have police departments. I fully recognize that they've deteriorated in capability and trustworthiness, losing their role as guardians of the real public interest to politics and less esoteric concerns like meeting budgets and justifying headcounts, but that's a reason to fix what's broken about our system, not replace it with every-man-for-himself vigilantism.

    • Re:Pandora's Box (Score:5, Interesting)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:20PM (#49177383)

      This is why we have police departments.

      And what happens when the police departments show complete disinterest to your problem?
      Seriously in some regards screw em. I've been robbed and then told by the police that they won't investigate because I'm covered by insurance anyway. Then I see them standing by the road side spending all their time making sure people don't drive more than 1km/h over the speed limit.

      Police departments are great when they work, but often they don't. If someone tries to stab me and I get away, I'd go to the police. If someone hurts my feelings online I'll try to get revenge online.

      • by mrex ( 25183 )

        And what happens when the police departments show complete disinterest to your problem?

        Change the system. Sorry there isn't an easier answer, but that's the price of living in a democracy.

        If someone hurts my feelings online I'll try to get revenge online.

        I've just shown you the cliff at the end of the road you're traveling. If you choose to proceed despite this, there isn't much more that I can say. Via con Dios.

    • The next time, some jackass will create social networking profiles with breadcrumbs leading back to their real target, and with minimal effort will get a Curt Schilling to do the dirty work, and bear the legal liability, for them.

      Yep. Everyone loves a good false flag operation. To be honest I'm kind of surprised that it hasn't happened more already.

  • by Skynyrd ( 25155 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @07:55PM (#49176691) Homepage

    The comments were horrific. Directed at her, because she was his daughter. Her only "crime" was being the daughter of a sports star. She had done nothing, but comments ranged from raping her, to penetrating her with a baseball bat.

    I hope every one of these sick little fuckers loses their job, gets kicked out of school *and* has their name attached to the story. I want somebody to find these comments *every* time that one of these guys is googled, forever.

    This shit won't stop until there are actual consequences. It won't ever stop completely, but it could certainly help.

    • by kentrel ( 526003 )

      I hope every one of these sick little fuckers loses their job, gets kicked out of school *and* has their name attached to the story.

      And then what? Go on welfare? Be homeless? Beg on the street? Never get an education or an opportunity to better himself? Life in jail? Never be able to get a job again? What's your plan that doesn't somebody else (likely us taxpayers) having to support them for the rest of their lives? Are you comfortable with angry people walking around with no money, nothing to do, and completely desperate?

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I hope every one of these sick little fuckers loses their job, gets kicked out of school *and* has their name attached to the story.

        And then what? Go on welfare? Be homeless? Beg on the street? Never get an education or an opportunity to better himself? Life in jail? Never be able to get a job again?

        What's your plan that doesn't somebody else (likely us taxpayers) having to support them for the rest of their lives? Are you comfortable with angry people walking around with no money, nothing to do, and completely desperate?

        Patting them on the head and tell them it's ok there won't be any repercussions ain't the damn answer either.

      • The general idea is that people will hear the story, learn from it, and then not take the risk that the same will happen to them.

        It may not be the best strategy, but historically it has had some degree of success.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        What's your plan that doesn't somebody else (likely us taxpayers) having to support them for the rest of their lives? Are you comfortable with angry people walking around with no money, nothing to do, and completely desperate?

        Perhaps that's something they should've thought about before they applied for that cushy Object Lesson opening.

        How much vile and inexcusable behavior are you ready to tolerate "so taxpayers don't have to support them"?

      • by Jason Levine ( 196982 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:35PM (#49177977) Homepage

        I'm sure these kids will be fine in the long term. They will likely suffer for awhile until they get themselves back on their feet - perhaps at a different job or school. However, they will hopefully learn that actions (including stuff you post online) have consequences and there are actual people on the other side of that screen. Hopefully, other people who would otherwise have engaged in the same actions will learn from this as well and not post horrific "I'm going to rape you" threats (which is their horrid way of saying "you've said something online that I don't like but I'm horrible at debating my position without resorting to graphic threats of violence").

        Maybe if more trolls found themselves victims of the consequences of their own actions, the Internet would be a nicer place.

  • Who? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Mike610544 ( 578872 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @08:09PM (#49176815)
    On Slashdot, maybe 'former MLB pitcher' is less noteworthy than 'creator of Kingdoms of Amalur' [wikipedia.org].
  • by wickerprints ( 1094741 ) on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:42PM (#49177517)

    The police only investigate serious crimes or imminent threats where either a lot of money or someone's life is on the line, and even then, they aren't fast, accurate, or trustworthy. The legal system does not have the time or the motivation or the resources to deal with what is the online equivalent of schoolyard antics.

    That is not to say what these idiots were doing was trivial or harmless. But let's put it this way: suppose every time you had someone come up to you and say something completely disgusting and violent to your face, that your response was to do absolutely NOTHING except file a police report, do you really think that would stop such behavior? If someone punched you, are you just going to stand there and not defend yourself, instead electing to wait until you can go to the nearest station and file a report?

    The bottom line is that you cannot reasonably expect to have a free internet while at the same time tell the government or law enforcement that users must be held accountable for their online actions. People suggesting that victims simply shrug off such behavior are either themselves psychopaths or have never themselves been the target of such abuse. And to then call out the victim for vigilantism is the height of delusion. Oh, but what if this opens up a slippery slope of unchecked vigilantism and real-world consequences for people who are the mistaken subject of retaliation?

    Um,... I have some news for you: it's already lawless out there. It has always been. You can't simultaneously tell people to shrug off the trolls because "oh well that's the internet for you," yet cry foul when people fight back, saying "but what if innocent people lose their jobs?" That's hypocrisy. People are already suffering real-world consequences of the behaviors of trolls. You are just selectively inured to it because it happens a LOT more often and it's been going on for a lot longer than people successfully fighting back...and when they do fight back, it goes viral and makes the news because so many people are so desperate for a solution that it feels good to see the good guy winning for once.

    That should tell you how completely nonexistent civility is in the online realm. People SHOULD be accountable for their actions online. But don't fucking tell me that it's the job of the government to do that for me, because we all know how PERFECTLY that works. What a joke. Accountability is not actually kicking someone in the balls for being a jackass. It's being able to carry out the promise of that consequence.

  • ... so far, and find that this article is way more interesting and relevant than "the dress."

    tyvm

  • by Big Hairy Ian ( 1155547 ) on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @08:28AM (#49179453)
    Sadly this will never happen but if we introduce real penalties for internet trolling the internet might just grow up.

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