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Thousands Visit Trinity Test Site For 70th Anniversary of First Atomic Blast 167

HughPickens.com writes The NYT reports that thousands of visitors converged Saturday on the Trinity Test Site in New Mexico where the first nuclear bomb was detonated nearly 70 years ago. Many posed for pictures near an obelisk marking the exact location where the bomb went off and were also able to see a steel shell that was created as a backup plan to keep plutonium from spreading during the explosion. "It brought a quick end to World War II, and it ushered in the atomic age," Erin Dorrance said. "So out here in the middle of nowhere New Mexico changed the world 70 years ago." Pete Rosada, a Marine Corps veteran, drove with another military veteran from San Diego to make the tour. Rosada said he previously visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese targets of atomic bombs during World War II after the test at the Trinity Site. "This completes the loop," said Rosado.

Tourists who joined a vehicle caravan out to the site at a school in Tularosa were greeted by demonstrators from the Tularosa Basin Downwinders who came to protest the 70th anniversary tour. The Downwinders is a grass-roots group that has set out to bring public awareness about the negative impacts of the detonation of the bomb. Henry Herrera was 11 years old when he got up to help his father with the car on that fateful July morning in 1945 and says the dust from the blast scattered all over Tularosa, remembering how his mother had to wash clothes twice that day due to the fallout dusting the family's clothes line. "I stop to think I'm one lucky, fortunate guy because I'm here and so many are dead," says Herrera. "Gobs of people from around here died and nobody knew what they died of, they just went to bed and never woke up." Albuquerque resident Gene Glasgow, 69, visited the Trinity Site for the first time with relatives from Arizona. Born and raised in New Mexico, he said he'd grown curious through talking to people who witnessed the explosion, including one man who was laying trap line in the mountains at the time. "He thought the end of the world had come."
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Thousands Visit Trinity Test Site For 70th Anniversary of First Atomic Blast

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  • Hey, if you're gonna have a blast, make it an atomic blast!
    • "I'm so excited my lips and eyeballs are tingling like spiderman!" said one excited attendee.

  • by Greyfox ( 87712 ) on Monday April 06, 2015 @04:33PM (#49417373) Homepage Journal
    Hey you guys! Remember back when we spread all that radioactive fallout all over your state? No one gave a shit about a little radioactivity, or asbestos, or rivers catching on fire, or whether you could actually live in the environment. Good times!
    • by zlives ( 2009072 )

      EPA... so overrated.

  • The Tularosa Basin Downwinders came to protest the 70th anniversary tour? Yet The Downwinders' aim is to bring public awareness about the negative impacts of the detonation of the bomb? Seems like an anniversary tour is a perfect opportunity for that. Why protest people who had nothing to do with the testing, and only have historic interest? Should we protest Civil War reenactors? I sympathize with their plight and don't approve of government misdeeds, but the Downwinders shame themselves.
  • by Alomex ( 148003 )

    Many posed for x-ray pictures near an obelisk marking the exact location where the bomb went off

  • From TFA:
    > An Army police vehicle led the caravan from Tularosa, passing the Tularosa Basin
    > Downwinders protesting the alleged fallout from the atomic test.

    What's 'alleged' about the fallout? Did I miss something?
    • Trinity was a very small bomb comparatively to later tests, the alleged is that there is no proof of the claims of these people as it is highly unlikely to be true.

      • by HuguesT ( 84078 )

        Trinity was a 20kt bomb exactly like the one that obliterated Nagasaki. Hardly very small.

        • by spauldo ( 118058 )

          It's small compared to other tests. It's only large compared to Hiroshima.

          You'll note that Nagasaki and Hiroshima are still there. If we dropped, say, a 50 megaton bomb on them, they wouldn't be.

          I'm not entirely sure that the amount of radioactive fallout is directly proportional to the size of the bomb, though.

          • by 0123456 ( 636235 )

            If we dropped, say, a 50 megaton bomb on them, they wouldn't be.

            To be fair, both cities were flattened for a large distance around ground zero, and mostly rebuilt since. They were airbursts, so the fallout mostly blew away when it wasn't brought down by rain storms, but probably small enough that many people were killed by the immediate radiation; with a 50MT bomb, anyone close enough to be killed by that radiation would already have been vapourized.

            • by spauldo ( 118058 )

              I was mostly talking about the fallout. You notice Pripyat hasn't been rebuilt.

              Had the fallout been a lot worse, Nagasaki and Hiroshima would have been cordoned off.

              I'm actually surprised they rebuilt, honestly. There are large parts of Okinawa where nothing gets built. I was under the understanding that it's a religious thing - they believe that the spirits of the dead from the battle there still occupy those sites, and building there would upset them. Okinawa tends to be cane fields, urban sprawl, and

              • by 0123456 ( 636235 ) on Monday April 06, 2015 @09:13PM (#49419319)

                I was mostly talking about the fallout. You notice Pripyat hasn't been rebuilt.

                Bomb fallout decays rapidly because it's mostly short-lived isotopes from the explosion. Reactor fallout takes much longer, because it's mostly due to isotopes with much longer half-lives. On the plus side, because of that, the initial radiation level would typically be much lower.

            • More to the point, airbursts don't create all that much fallout. What's left after the blast isn't enough to be really dangerous over a large area. A low or ground burst will create a lot more radioactive material.

        • When you compare it to other tests, it is indeed quite small.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... [wikipedia.org]

          There were some smaller, but many MUCH larger.

  • Context (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Livius ( 318358 ) on Monday April 06, 2015 @05:04PM (#49417693)

    Bad things happen in war.

    In a way, it's a good thing that people have luxury of forgetting that.

  • "He thought the end of the world had come."

    In a way, he was right.

  • I have not been in New Mexico when the Trinity site has been open. I need to just fly out for the weekend and see it one day...

    However, I have been to The National Museum of Nuclear Science & History in Albuquerque(where bugs bunny always goes). It is a nice museum, apparently on a tight budget, with many interesting planes. They usually have a good traveling exhibit.

    109 East Place is a good book on the secret site in Los Alamos. It was so secret that all communication and travel when through 109

    • by xevioso ( 598654 )

      I wonder what the joke is regarding bugs bunny always taking a wrong turn at Albuquerque. Why not Tuscon or Flagstaff or Barstow. It it just because it's a funny word, like Timbuktu or Kalamazoo?

      • Bugs Bunny always pronounced it "Albakoikey" in his faux-New Jersey accent. I don't think Tuscon or Flagstaff or Barstow has the same mispronunciation humor potential. And it's a funny word even when pronounced correctly, TBH.

  • by aardvarkjoe ( 156801 ) on Monday April 06, 2015 @05:27PM (#49417875)

    Tourists who joined a vehicle caravan out to the site at a school in Tularosa were greeted by demonstrators from the Tularosa Basin Downwinders who came to protest the 70th anniversary tour. The Downwinders is a grass-roots group that has set out to bring public awareness about the negative impacts of the detonation of the bomb.

    So what do these demonstraters hope to accomplish? Are they going to protest hard enough to prevent the test from happening in 1945?

    • So what do these demonstraters hope to accomplish? Are they going to protest hard enough to prevent the test from happening in 1945?

      No, they're going to protest so hard that North Korea's strange little evil laugh is even a bit stranger sounding when someone besides us tests another live nuke.

      Full-time-activist-protester-types aren't known for their rational take on things. A sensible or useful take on the subject matter is never the point. It's all about being able to post protest scene selfies on FB.

    • send them to iran to protest. might accomplish more
    • by spauldo ( 118058 )

      Just guessing here:

      They want to remind the current politicians and the people that vote for them that nuclear testing isn't OK.

      And probably that the US needs to take more concern about the environment, especially the military. Remember the story a few weeks back about how the background radiation in Denver is considerably higher than normal due to poor practices at an upwind nuclear weapon factory? That kind of crap is unacceptable.

      (I'm not an anti-bomb guy or an anti-nuclear guy , but I do think the gove

    • They are actually lobbying for the passage of bills which would provide them with some compensation. They are not protesting the test which took place 70 years ago. I know this because I read the leaflet they handed to me at the site.
  • So typical, North Korea or USA oppressive regimes experiment on their own people.
    Sorry I forgot.
    Only in USA they blast their own people.
    Only in USA state police is unloading ammunition at protesting workers.
    Only in USA cops are in kindergartens.
    Only in USA 99% of population is enslaved by oligarchs.

    God have mercy.

    • yes... all that and more on next weeks "strange unusual faux history of the USA" catch the replay on saturdays 10 PM
  • Right.... Myth repeated many times becomes truth.

    This myth is plainly obsolete and no longer withstands criticism now that WW2 facts are freely available.

    If we were really that concern about saving human lives, we should have exploded Little boy and Fat Man in the same desert, in the presence of enemy nation's, Japanese, military representative and allowed them to film.

    Hell in 1945, several month ago, Tokyo has been fire bombed and there were more victims in Tokyo (a total more 200,000 people - 90,000 dead

    • In fact, nobody was tried for strategic bombing. The closest was the German guy who bombed Belgrade, which was an open city at the time and should have been spared all attack. Bombing civilians was not considered a war crime (and a careful study of Hague(IV) and Hague(IX) conventions will give you insight as to why).

  • by khr ( 708262 )

    Depending how dramatic the site is, the headline could read "Thousands Blown Away by Trinity Test Site For 70th Anniversary of First Atomic Blast."

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