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Elon Musk Bailed Out of $6bn Google Takeover To Save Tesla From 2013 Bankruptcy 118

An anonymous reader sends word that Elon Musk almost sold Tesla to Google in 2013 when the company was close to bankruptcy. "Elon Musk had a deal to sell his electric car company Tesla, to Google for $6bn (£4bn) when it was heading for bankruptcy with just two weeks' worth of cash left in the bank. During the first week of March 2013, Musk spoke to his friend Larry Page, chief executive of Google, about the search giant buying his car company, which at the time was suffering from falling sales amid technical problems with the few Model S luxury sedan cars it had delivered. Ashlee Vance, author of upcoming book Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX and the Quest for a Fantastic Future, claims in an extra for Bloomberg two people 'with direct knowledge of the deal' said Musk and Page agreed to the buyout and shook on a price of around $6bn. This was plus promises from Google to invest $5bn for factory expansion and to not break Tesla up or close it down."
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Elon Musk Bailed Out of $6bn Google Takeover To Save Tesla From 2013 Bankruptcy

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  • More competition is better. We know google is working on their own car - but the Tesla is here today and doing better than anyone ever thought. No wonder the guy can do rocket science.

    • Google isn't working on a car. They're working on an autonomous driving system that would be added to someone else's car.

      • They're not? [youtube.com]
      • Actually, you do not know that for sure.
        Google has been focused on an Autonomous system. That is true. But, so far, no car maker has expressed an interest in it.
        As such, there is no reason to believe that they will not consider building their own cars. And if they were to do so, I am guessing that they will Work with Tesla to make their own.
        • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:53PM (#49511881)

          As such, there is no reason to believe that they will not consider building their own cars. And if they were to do so, I am guessing that they will Work with Tesla to make their own.

          There is a very good reason to believe they will not consider building their own cars. The reason is economics. Cars are a generally low margin business with huge capital requirements. The engineering and manufacturing are something Google has absolutely no expertise or advantage in. A VERY profitable large car manufacturer has profit margins around 8-10% (see Porsche or Toyota) and most are somewhere between 0-5% most of the time. Google right now has profit margins around 25%. If they got into the car business in any sort of meaningful way their profit margins would drop like a rock along with their share price. They would be jumping into a cutthroat business that they have zero advantage or experience in. Even if they bought a company like GM outright, it would be basically nothing but a huge distraction from their primary business. A company like Tesla they could manage because it is so small but eventually they would probably sell it off.

          While Google has the financial means to get into the car business if they wanted to, they would be insane to do so. I could easily see them providing technology used in cars but I don't see any (sane) reason why they would actually want to make cars themselves.

          • I haven't seen any evidence yet that Google isn't interested in huge distractions from their primary business.

            They are one of the most schizophrenic companies there is - starting up random projects just to cull them after they actually start to make traction.

            • by sjbe ( 173966 )

              I haven't seen any evidence yet that Google isn't interested in huge distractions from their primary business.

              Google hasn't done anything that would qualify as a huge distraction. Yes they go off on all sorts of tangents but none of them are giant, bet the business, diversions. Nothing that would harm their core advertising business. Even Android is really nothing more than a defensive play to ensure they cannot get locked out of the mobile market by Apple and Microsoft. Certainly nothing they have done is a distraction to the degree getting into the car making business would be.

              I work in manufacturing and am w

              • by mjwx ( 966435 )

                I haven't seen any evidence yet that Google isn't interested in huge distractions from their primary business.

                Google hasn't done anything that would qualify as a huge distraction. Yes they go off on all sorts of tangents but none of them are giant, bet the business, diversions. Nothing that would harm their core advertising business. Even Android is really nothing more than a defensive play to ensure they cannot get locked out of the mobile market by Apple and Microsoft.

                You are aware that Android is currently dominating the mobile market?

                You're also quite wrong. Google have a huge stake in GIS and have become one of the worlds leading imagery providers, so much to the point that they now have their own satellites (GeoEYE).

                Google is extremely diversified, so much so they could survive the complete destruction of their advertisement business.

                • You are aware that Android is currently dominating the mobile market?

                  You'd have to live under a rock to not know how Android is doing. What is your point? Google makes virtually no money from Android directly.

                  You're also quite wrong. Google have a huge stake in GIS and have become one of the worlds leading imagery providers, so much to the point that they now have their own satellites (GeoEYE).

                  Which is entirely consistent with their search driven advertising business. That's not a distraction. That's a core business for them and really it is a cost center. They bought that so that they could enhance their local search.

                  Google is extremely diversified, so much so they could survive the complete destruction of their advertisement business.

                  Google is barely diversified at all. You haven't actually looked at any of their financial statements. Google makes close to 95% of thei [sec.gov]

        • by swb ( 14022 )

          Apple is also purported to be building their own electric car, but I don't think either Apple or Google want to be in the car *manufacturing* business. That is messy, labor/union intensive and involves a whole lot of engineering and regulatory crap they know nothing about.

          They want to be suppliers to whoever IS building the cars. Building your own skunkworks vehicle gives you a shiny to show off but more importantly gives you a lot of engineering exposure to the internals that you wouldn't know about othe

    • That's probably the reason Tesla fired a third of its employees in China and is having more cars in its inventory than it sold. I'm very sorry, but Musk is overrated. The strategy in China was just plain dumb ignoring the reality of the market and the infrastructures. The electricity distribution network in China (and many other countries) is just not ready. In fact, hydrogen fuel-cell is probably a better alternative to oil. The distribution network for fuel-cells can easily capitalizes on the existing net
      • by mspohr ( 589790 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @01:02PM (#49511967)

        I believe the China problem was that a lot of speculators bought a lot of cars hoping to make a killing. The resulting oversupply led to cancellations. It was badly managed.
        On the issue of hydrogen fuel cells; they just don't make sense for many reasons:
        - efficiency (they are less efficient than gasoline)
        - distribution (they require special transport trucks... you can't use any existing distribution)
        - hydrogen is made from fossil fuels so no benefit to the environment
        - fueling (fuel stations cost several million dollars and have low capacity)
        Electricity, OTOH, is ubiquitous. Electricity service is everywhere and the demand from electric cars is a rounding error on electric capacity. Plus, batteries and electric motors are much more efficient (90%) than internal combustion engines or fuel cells (30%).

        • So, you bought Musk's BS about the speculators? Seriously, this was far to be the problem.
        • No the big problem with the China push was regulatory. In order to have an electric car, you have to have a way to charge it. Installation of charging stations at the owner's home was required - and that means it's limited to those who own an actual house (not an apartment). So the market instantly shrunk down by orders of magnitude. I know several wealthy people in Shanghai who were interested in the Tesla, but because they lived in penthouse apartments could not get a charging station installed - and
          • Exactly, that's part of the problem. Beside the requirement to have a charging station at home, there isn't charging station spreaded in the country to make this car useful. Even the guy that teamed with Tesla to install charging stations recognized the problem when he attempted to do a long roadtrip with his Tesla car. There is a whole logistic behind spreading Tesla cars at large which cannot be neglected since sales will heavily depend on it. Seems someone at Tesla is beliving in some kind of magic to so
        • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

          Also the electric car has one huge manufacturing advantage. It is very easy to extend the factory to start producing domestic solar power kits, complete versions. The primary part of which is not the solar panel but the battery, inverter and control systems. So the panel can be conventionally outsourced and the rest of the kit assembled and ready for sale and installation. Right now is the right time for a retail complete ready to install kit by skilled trained franchise dealers. Part of that kit of course

      • Most of the industrial hydrogen available is created by extracting it from hydrocarbons.

        So you can either refine the oil into gasoline / petrol / diesel, or you can extract the hydrogen from it and burn that. Either way, you still are pumping oil from the ground, and still dealing with the carbon waste.

        If we were cracking hydrogen from water at industrial scale, then there might be something to hydrogen-based transportation; but that takes energy on a scale of nuclear reactors and apparently nobody is inte

        • Right, but at the end you have a fuel-cell that will not burn carbon and produce CO2. You are using natural gaz to produce hydrogen (not oil, petrol or diesel) for now, but wait, what if you stopped doing research because lead-acid batteries were not efficient to make a car? Do you have an idea of the cost of running a complete reliable electricity network with enough capacity to recharge Musk's batteries in all the developing countries and even in remote areas in developed countries? There may be a market
          • by mspohr ( 589790 )

            We have a complete reliable electricity network capable of recharging all of Tesla's cars right now and for the forseeable future. I generate all of my electricity needs including electric car with a smallish solar installation at home. I don't even need the grid. Electric cars are the future of road transportation and they are the reality of road transportation today... just buy and electric car and stop burning fossil fuel. You don't have any excuse to continue polluting the air.

        • by mspohr ( 589790 )

          Nobody is interested in generating electricity to make hydrogen because it doesn't make sense. You waste about 80% of the electricity compared to just putting it into a battery.
          http://phys.org/news85074285.h... [phys.org]

      • Tesla recently sold a record number of cars, exceeding expectations.

        It doesn't matter if demand in China is lower than expected when demand in the US and Europe is unfulfilled. Units that might have been originally planned for China get redesignated for US or Europe during production.
        • I don't know where you picked you stats, but recently Tesla just announced otherwise.
          • I don't know where you picked you stats, but recently Tesla just announced otherwise.

            Actually I watched the recent excitement regarding Tesla on CNBC earlier this month, but googling shows:
            "April 5 (UPI) -- Tesla Motors announced it broke a company record for the first quarter of 2015 ... The record was broken through a 55 percent sales increase for the same period from the previous year."
            http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Wo... [upi.com]

  • ...because Mr. Gates, a good friend of Mr. Jobs, personally chose to continue releasing versions of Microsoft Office for Apple's products to help Apple remain a viable platform for Microsoft's customers.

    Please tell me how an anecdote from a couple of years ago is news...
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      • It's like you're from an alternate timeline. In this reality, the original iPhone completely blew away everything else on the market.

        I guess the biggest thing was the internet in your pocket. A real browser, easy email, camera, pictures, video, music... 1000s of songs worth of music, in fact; it had a whole iPod built right in. All integrated nicely into a very slim phone. Click to dial numbers on the internet, Granny-capable conference calling; hell, you could look shit up on the internet *while* talking o

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      Sarcasm aside, Microsoft was heavily under the anti-trust scope at the time, and needed a viable OS competitor to not look like a monopoly. MS thus wanted Apple to survive. (It's possibly the same reason AMD is still alive.)

      • Everyone seems to forget that Apple had a smoking gun in the $1B+ QuickTime vs. Windows Media lawsuit, and one of the conditions of Gates and Jobs making a deal was cross-licensing all patents.

        THAT is what Gates wanted. Jobs needed the cash to keep Apple afloat (which he got far more of by liquidating Apple's holdings in ARM after killing Newton), but also needed the legal squabbles to go away and needed a reason for people to continue buying Mac, and Office was that reason.

        One of the reasons NeXT never we

  • --headline with a question mark--
  • Maybe it's my reading comprehension, but this headline made it sound like this deal actually happened to me.

    According to the article, "But the deal never happened because Tesla's fortunes quickly began to turn after Musk demanded that all staff, no matter what their job title, get on the phones and sell cars to curious customers who had placed refundable deposits."

    Perhaps the headline should read "almost bailed out," or something similar.

    • by StikyPad ( 445176 ) on Monday April 20, 2015 @12:15PM (#49511515) Homepage

      Nevermind, I read "bailed out" to mean the company was saved by the sale, or the company was "bailed out," not that he opted out of the sale. I still think the headline could be more clear.

      • by Twinbee ( 767046 )
        Yes, the brackets are:

        "Elon Musk Bailed Out of ($6bn Google Takeover To Save Tesla From 2013 Bankruptcy)" rather than:

        "(Elon Musk Bailed Out of $6bn Google Takeover) To Save Tesla From 2013 Bankruptcy"

        A better headline would be: "Elon Musk bailed out of $6bn Google Takeover, despite teetering on the edge of bankruptcy".
  • Seriously, the google boys are some of the most important business guys going. However, unlike most of the business ppl, such as Romney, Fiorina, McNerney, Welsh, Koch bros, etc, they focus on nothing but making money and have no interest in the future of America or Mankind.
    • unlike most of the business ppl, such as Romney, Fiorina, McNerney, Welsh, Koch bros, etc, they focus on nothing but making money and have no interest in the future of America or Mankind.

      Uhh, I'm pretty sure any feigned interest in mankind by the motley crew cited above (no offense to the band) has to be part of a ploy for more money/power (if there is a difference). You should probably add a bunch of names from the left as well.

    • unlike most of the business ppl, such as Romney, Fiorina, McNerney, Welsh, Koch bros, etc, they focus on nothing but making money and have no interest in the future of America or Mankind

      None of the people you quoted appear to give a damn about the future of America or Mankind, either. They simply chose a different route to more money and power for themselves - one that hurts far, far more.

  • and that will stick with him forever.

    • No it won't business deals fail all of the time. Remember the Sprint/T-Mobile merger? It failed. [venturebeat.com] Previously AT&T's attempt at buying T-Mobile also failed [wikipedia.org] and Deutsche Telekom received a hefty premium for AT&T dropping the deal.

      As per the original acquisition agreement, Deutsche Telekom will receive $3 billion in cash as well as access to $1 billion worth of AT&T-held wireless spectrum.

      So there may or may not have been a penalty associated with this deal not going through, the article doesn't discuss this.

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