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Study Suggests That HUD Tech May Actually Reduce Driving Safety 195

Zothecula writes: Having a heads-up display constantly feed you information while cruising down the road may make you feel like a jet pilot ready to avoid any potential danger but recent findings suggest otherwise. Studies done at the University of Toronto show that the HUD multi-tasking method of driving a vehicle is dangerous. "Drivers need to divide their attention to deal with this added visual information," said Department of Psychology professor Ian Spence, who led the research. "Not only will drivers have to concentrate on what’s happening on the road around them as they’ve always done, they’ll also have to attend to whatever warning pops up on the windshield in front of them."
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Study Suggests That HUD Tech May Actually Reduce Driving Safety

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  • The problem... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 29, 2015 @08:30PM (#50015715)

    IF you have some kind of info 'popping up', there's your problem there. Show speed. Show specific information. Do not constantly CHANGE that information to make drivers deal with new data.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Precisely. A friend of mine worked on the first heads up displays for NASA. He painstakingly measured how much information an astronaut/jet pilot could pay attention to at once, and react to within a certain time frame. The same sort of design needs to go into cars' HUD's. My car has a full time HUD showing speed, very unobtrusively. I no longer need to move my eyes from the road to see my speed. Same for when I use the car's GPS, and have a trip showing. I don't have to remove my eyes to look at the
      • He painstakingly measured how much information an astronaut/jet pilot could pay attention to at once, and react to within a certain time frame.

        Aviation folks have an awesome term for when pilots freeze from information overload. They call it having a helmet fire [wikipedia.org] which to this day cracks me up and is a perfect term for the problem.

    • by LWATCDR ( 28044 )

      Pretty much. The only pop-ups I can see are navigation prompts.
      Navigation prompts are going to decrease your attention to the road but far less than a map would.

      • Exactly: is it better to have pop-ups from your nav system telling you when and where to turn, or is it better to fumble with a paper map, or drive around endlessly in circles lost, or pulling over and stopping constantly to ask some codger for inaccurate directions (and then getting lost again because the directions were bad)?

  • by buchner.johannes ( 1139593 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @08:32PM (#50015725) Homepage Journal

    Similar statements could be made for desktops, where tray icon pop-ups for updates, email and chat notifications distract and interrupt workflows.

    Maybe both for desktops and cars, this problem can be solved by detecting whether the user is currently focussed (on the road or a task) or relaxed/idle, and may be interrupted. Mylyn is a very impressive demo of thinking in this direction, I would like to see more of it.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @08:47PM (#50015831)

      Similar statements could be made for desktops, where tray icon pop-ups for updates, email and chat notifications distract and interrupt workflows.

      This. This is why when I want to get work done and not get distracted I shut down Outlook, IM, my browser and any other thing that might distract me. The difference is if I get distracted on my PC, I get distracted. If I get distracted in my car people could die.

      A big popup interface on the windscreen is going to serve as a fantastic distraction. Especially as it's primary use is going to be Facebook, Twitter and so forth. People who are already terrible drivers will be staring right at the back of the car as they plough into it because their brain wont even register that the car is coming closer as their too distracted reading the latest tweet about gluten free mittens or some such.

      As such, I'm filing this study under N for "No shit".

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @08:56PM (#50015861)
        The problem with this is why the person doing the study is important. If, when you get 10 MPH over the limit, the windshield pops up a huge warning message, that's bad. But having the speed on the view 100% of the time, with the color of the display changing as the limit is reached, and passed, would give the same information and should make you more safe, not less. I could ask the same question and get opposite answers, depending on what I want to find.

        The HUD that's augmented reality (overlaying IR on real view, so you see deer sooner and such), that should never be a distraction.

        What is in the HUD that's distracting? Everything the ECU knows, displayed in Matrix style? Yes, distracting and not useful. But the tasteful HUDs? If they are distracting and intrusive, that's more a driver problem, not a HUD problem.
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          My car has the speedometer right below the windscreen, in the driver's eyeline when looking forwards. It's actually distracting. With the police using dodgy equipment and the proliferation of cameras you become obsessed with making sure I'm never even 1MPH over the limit. That if I see a mobile site in the distance I can slam on the brakes and do a good 15 MPH under the limit, to offset errors form their equipment. They camouflage them so you have to be extra vigilant.

          Obsession with speed and limits makes t

          • My car has the speedometer right below the windscreen, in the driver's eyeline when looking forwards.

            You mean front, top and center? Well, that's just bad design, right there. There should be a tachometer there.

            With the police using dodgy equipment and the proliferation of cameras you become obsessed with making sure I'm never even 1MPH over the limit

            Blaming your speedometer for bad ticketing practices is like blaming cotton for slaves getting whipped.

            Obsession with speed and limits makes the roads less safe.

            That doesn't really reflect on the validity of the idea of a HUD, though.

            • by AK Marc ( 707885 )

              There should be a tachometer there.

              Given that most cars are automatics, there's no need for a tach anymore.

              And the tach should be on the HUD, a bar at the top of the windscreen running from right to left that turns red at 90% of redline, and flashes at 100% of redline. The reason the tach is front and center (and big) is so that you don't have to look at it. Your peripheral vision can pick up the location with sufficient accuracy for timing shifts and such. The speedometer should be in the same spot so you can watch the road with periphe

      • Facebook and Twitter will be its secondary purpose, we all know that the primary purpose will be to push ADS in your face while you drive so the car manufacturers can get in on the ad revenue.
        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          Facebook and Twitter will be its secondary purpose,.

          Sure it may be its secondary purpose, but it will be its primary use.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Extra information is bad. Information that you would have been taking eyes off the road to see anyway is more safely presented in a HUD.

      What the study found is that having the nifty display is an invitation to push more information to the driver than they previously were processing.

    • Similar statements could be made for desktops, where tray icon pop-ups for updates, email and chat notifications distract and interrupt workflows.

      Popups and notifications are high on my list of things we can do without. If I am sitting at my computer it means that I am there to accomplish a specific task. I do not welcome interruptions on my computer any more than I appreciate robo-calls when I sit down to dinner.

      Highest on my list are those dialog boxes that pop up after selecting an option that say "Are you sure you really want to do that?" Yes, I am you fucking retard that's why I clicked the button in the first place and to think that someone had

    • Similar statements could be made for desktops, where tray icon pop-ups for updates, email and chat notifications distract and interrupt workflows.

      Or websites where the number of responses (and sometimes one or more category icons) obscures text you're trying to read.

  • Quelle surprise! You ain't targeting bogeys. You're driving down the road. Stay on task and chill.
  • by bbands ( 1068870 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @08:36PM (#50015763)
    My wife's 'vette has a hud in it and the first thing I do when I drive the car is turn the hud off. When flying the best advice is to keep your head 'out of the cockpit', in other words scanning the skies around you. New pilots' are always glued to the instruments, mature pilots eyes are focused outside except for quick scans of the instruments.
    • My wife's 'vette has a hud in it and the first thing I do when I drive the car is turn the hud off. When flying the best advice is to keep your head 'out of the cockpit', in other words scanning the skies around you. New pilots' are always glued to the instruments, mature pilots eyes are focused outside except for quick scans of the instruments.

      Your wife has a flying car? That is so cool.

      • Your wife has a flying car? That is so cool.

        All 'vette owners think they're pilots.

        Apparently, a surprisingly large amount of pilots also own 'vettes. Because, you know, it was good enough for the astronauts. ;-)

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      My wife's 'vette has a hud in it and the first thing I do when I drive the car is turn the hud off. When flying the best advice is to keep your head 'out of the cockpit', in other words scanning the skies around you. New pilots' are always glued to the instruments, mature pilots eyes are focused outside except for quick scans of the instruments.

      This, a thousand times this.

      I was trained to drive defensively from the word go. This means keeping your eyes outside the car. You'd only need to scan your instruments (which realistically means just your speedo and maybe your rev counter if you drive a manual and cant hear or feel the engine (AKA: the most incompetent manual driver in the world)). I check my instruments every 10 to 15 seconds, about the same interval as I check my mirrors.

      As such I've never understood the argument "I keep getting sp

    • So you turn off the HUD and use the Force?

    • Those "quick scans of the instruments" are quicker when you can glance at the HUD (which can be done without refocusing) instead of having to look down at the dashboard and refocusing your eyes.

      "quick scans of the instruments" are the whole reason the HUD was invented.

    • New pilots' are always glued to the instruments, mature pilots eyes are focused outside except for quick scans of the instruments.

      I guess you'll never be an instrument-rated pilot.

  • hey! everything gets hacked. just you wait.
  • by thogard ( 43403 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @08:59PM (#50015889) Homepage

    They asked the people to report a box showing up? That isn't normal when driving, therefor the test its self might be distracting.

    HUD displays should only be used to display info that is normally checked anyway like the speedometer as well as things like the new IR cameras that can detect deer near the side of the road which will be invisible. Having displays pop up some virtual brake lights on a stopped or slowing down car is fine but it has to be done right. It took aviation decades to get the basics for instruments right. The stuff that looks cool on a HUD demo in an office isn't what will work best in cars on a dark foggy road.

    • by flopsquad ( 3518045 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:31PM (#50016049)
      When your post popped up on my windshield HUD just now, I thought it was the most insigh%$&+'#{+&'NO CARRIER
    • It was a poorly designed test with respect to driving. From TFA:

      To ascertain the effects of extraneous information in a driverâ(TM)s line of sight, professor Spence and his team of students created two tests to measure the outcome. The first involved volunteers completing a number of computer-based tests in which they were required to say how many of a number of randomly organized spots were shown on a screen as quickly and accurately as they could.

      Added to this, in some tests a black-outlined squa

  • Don't throw distracting trivia at the driver. DO use computational methods to highlight things the driver should definitely pay attention to that might not be obvious.

    For example: if the view ahead is obstructed, or visibility is limited, a supplementary warning about oncoming objects that are out of sight could be useful.

    • V2V is coming whether it's a good idea or not, but on the plus side it will produce a lot of data which would be useful on a HUD. It could tell you which vehicles are braking even when the sun is in your eyes and you can't see their lights, for example. It could also guide you to one side of the lane or the other (or to another lane entirely) in order to dodge a pothole or other road obstacle that you can't possibly see, well ahead of time. So yeah, there's a whole lot of data coming which could well be use

      • V2V is coming whether it's a good idea or not

        Except, it won't. Not really nearly as soon as you think, and nowhere near as widespread.

        Sure, there will be some fancy expensive cars with it. But look around at the cars on the road. The overwhelming majority of people will simply NOT be paying for this feature.

        They'll be driving older cars, or they'll be unwilling to pay a premium for it.

        All of these wonderful future pieces of tech are contingent on two things: people actually paying for them, and adoption

        • by mysidia ( 191772 )

          In reality, that guy behind you in the 1987 Malibu isn't going to have it, and never will.

          Until the insurance companies start requiring it in order to have the best possible insurance rate, then he will pay for the retrofit, once it doesn't make any financial sense not to add the system.

          This still requires that V2V be affordable and provide sufficient benefits.

          I don't see it sticking with fancy cars only.... If backup cams have been made mandatory, then I see V2V safety features becoming mandat

        • Sure, there will be some fancy expensive cars with it. But look around at the cars on the road.

          I have. The average age of the American car is 11 years, and that's an all-time high. They're putting fancier and fancier tech into cheaper and cheaper cars because it doesn't cost them that much and it's a way to compete. V2V works best when it's in the most vehicles, so they'll want to put it in a lot of vehicles. They just won't put the HUD into a lot of vehicles, they'll want to charge you extra for that.

          • by mysidia ( 191772 )

            They'll probably "give away" the V2V enablement, and have all that stuff turned on by default, so it's maximally useful to OTHER drivers who pay for the feature, BUT for getting the V2V features that most benefit the end user, they will probably be options or "licensed feature packs", for example... you need options to have a display or warning tones to alert about hazards immediately ahead by the V2V network, or you need additional 'sounding devices' or 'display features' to show the construction/s

  • Study shows that when you misuse HUD, it can distract drivers.

    But if you're showing them an alert about something they're clearly not aware of, then are you making them more or less aware of their surroundings?

    If they don't have to look down to see the next navigation instruction, are you making them more or less aware of their surroundings?

    Bullshit story is bullshit. Welcome to Slashdot!

    • Essentially. My visitation rates to Soylent News has ticked up quite a bit recently.
      Clickbait pablum like this is meant for linking to 'socials'.

      Fuck that. Fuck dice.

    • Most of these kind of studies are pretty much bullshit ... they tend to try to measure something easy with a correlation with accidents for a given situation and then pretend the correlation will hold come hell or high water.

      If they had to actually put people in sims for 1000s of hours for each paper they couldn't publish a lot of papers of course.

  • by dlenmn ( 145080 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:03PM (#50015923)

    When the dangers of driving while holding a cell phone became clear, many places banned hand-held cellphones while driving but allowed hands-free cell phones. After further research, it seems clear that hand-free cell phones aren't any safer [wikipedia.org]. Even a little distraction can be very dangerous when you need quick reflexes. Minor distractions are particularly dangerous because most of the time you don't need quick reflexes; you're just cruising down the highway -- lulling you into a false sense of security. I'm guessing a HUD causes similar problems.

    • Yes! Absolutely!

      While we are at it, can we please ban other passengers from cars, especially children! They cause all sorts of distractions.

      I also suggest banning all roadside signage, 'loud' paint jobs on cars, personalised number plates, DEFINATELY in car entertainment, anything within visibility of the road that can create light glare.

      Oh, and could we PLEASE remove all the cup holders, what the hell are drivers doing eating or drinking in their cars?

      And while we are at it, how about teaching people to dr

      • I reported some facts, added a little interpretation, and finished with one sentence of speculation. Where did I suggest banning anything?

        Surprisingly, you reminded me of something relevant. IIRC, there's evidence that talking on a cell phone (hands free or not) is _more_ distracting than talking to a passenger in the car. (I don't have time to look up sources ATM.) It sounds weird, but it's plausible that interacting with something that's actually in the car is less distracting that paying attention to a d

    • by AJWM ( 19027 )

      I used to think that a hands-free phone should be fine when driving, since I was used to a fair bit of radio chatter while flying a plane.

      But there are significant differences: radio chatter while flying is about the flying -- you're giving or getting info about your flight from ATC, if you're in formation you're discussing with the other aircraft where everyone is relative to each other and what your about to do, etc. You're not having a discussion about Junior's day in school or what John and Mary are

    • None of those studies had any statistically significant real accident rate numbers for hands free calling ... the simulation measured metrics during conversation (which is not the critical point of cellphone use in a car) and the questionnaire stuff is all from pre-2005, so they'll have what ... 2 hands free callers in there?

      Smoking takes very little cognition ... why does it cause accidents? Because when something burning at high temperature falls into your crotch you start paying attention, it's the edge

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        Smoking (and regular cell phone use) also tie up a hand. If you've ever driven under less than ideal circumstances you know how helpful a second hand on the wheel is. Most people hesitate to drop their burning plant matter or expensive cell phone in an emergency.

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  • by mcrbids ( 148650 ) on Monday June 29, 2015 @09:12PM (#50015955) Journal

    Who would have thought that distracting drivers with information would make them less safe as drivers?

  • But does the HUD reduce profit margins?

  • We have had a century to figure out the "unplugged" car interface, and it is simpler: dials for speed and tachometer, nothing else. Drivers train from an early age to drive with this sort of instrumentation.

    The lack of safety with these HUD's is likely a consequence of inexperience both on the part of the HUD designers and the drivers. Once the interfaces themselves iterate a few times, and then drivers get experienced with them, I imagine they'll be much safer.

  • Sorry, it just had to be said.

  • Only display that which needs immediate attention.

    • Only display that which needs immediate attention.

      Yeah, Saab used to put a "night switch" into their cars to dim the lights. Saab who, you say?

  • What the fuck are you popping up at the driver? Put current speed, RPMs, fuel level and maybe oil/water temperature along the bottom of the windshield so they can just see it without taking their eyes off the road and call it good. Maybe the entire problem is just really bad user interface design.
  • We have a "Head Down Display"
    Since if you travel more than a few k's over the limit, you should expect to be pulled over, ticketed and issued demerit points.

  • HUDs only make sense if you're truly a supervisor of the vehicle, not the control system.

    In aircraft/drones, HUDs are OK cause the aircraft really flies itself, the pilot is there for emergency situations and what I call trimming (small adjustments).

    In a car, you control everything--still want to end up in that ditch--pretty easy....sure go ahread....

    Once we get real supervisory based cars [latimes.com], yes, HUDs make no sense other than wiz bang. And much like 8" touchscreens & phone integration in cars are whiz ba

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Passenger jets didn't have HUDs for a long time (maybe most still don't). Fighter jets got them pretty much as soon as the technology was practical. HUDs were designed for providing information in circumstances where the pilot is very much in control, and under a heavy workload.

      I remember reading about HUDs in the nineties though, and the design was critical. What you presented, and how, made the difference between a valuable tool and a worse than useless distraction.

  • Fighter pilots go through countless hours of training to learn how to deal with a HUD during air combat. During the other 90% of flight time there's nothing for them to hit if they're not paying attention to the sky. Drivers, on the other hand, go through a few hours of just barley paying attention in drivers ed., and/or a few minutes skimming the book just to pass the test before taking to the road. Automobile driving requires constant attention to the road, and with no training what so ever what do you

  • In a sense, I have a HUD. Over the years, I've found it invaluable. It's a good, old-fashioned GPS with a sucker-mount. My job involves a lot of driving on unfamiliar two-lane highways in rural Ontario. I keep my GPS mounted just below eye level to the left. It gives me my speed, the shape of the road just ahead, and it will pop up an actual point-of-view picture of some exits and entrances from larger highways. This is available to me without having to take my eyes off the road even for a split secon

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