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Google Fi: Simple Until It's Not 51

An anonymous reader writes: When Google started Project Fi, one of their big goals was to make cell phone calling simple and predictable. By combining Wi-Fi calling with cellular networks and flat $10/GB pricing, they're trying to put together a service that "just works." But as Dieter Bohn writes, things can get a lot more complicated when you try to integrate it with other Google services, like Voice. He says, "Precisely what happens when you port your number from Voice to Fi (which are kind of the same thing — but not really!) is clear as mud. ... You won't lose your Google Voice number, and it will still do most of the stuff it did before, but you may have to wend your way back to the 2011-era Google Voice site to manage it. Your texts no longer forward via SMS but they're available in the Hangouts App. You can't call people from Google Voice on the web but you can from Hangouts. Oh, and on Android there's a Hangouts dialer app you can use, sometimes, just because."
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Google Fi: Simple Until It's Not

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    It's flailing around, trying to find coherence and not finding it.

    Use one model.
    Use one service. (Fi should be an extension of VOICE...)
    Monetize it, but don't do it the way you're currently doing it.
    Quit lying to yourselves about you not being a telecom company. You became one with GV and buying up Gizmo5.

    The biggest problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too- and can't reconcile themselves to being a Common Carrier with all that this entails. And...it shows.

  • It's simple for me! (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08, 2015 @06:16PM (#50276861)

    I'm using Fi. I can have no phone signal at home which is common and I can make calls through Fi. You don't need hangouts dialer (you need hangouts installed not hangouts dialer), you just use the regular dialer. Text messages and voice work great!

    If using the regular phone dialer and text messaging is too difficult for you, then maybe you should not be using a cell service.

    • by koick ( 770435 )

      If using the regular phone dialer and text messaging is too difficult for you, then maybe you should not be using a cell service.

      ...or writing articles in a tech blog.

      • by Shadow of Eternity ( 795165 ) on Saturday August 08, 2015 @07:46PM (#50277109)

        If there's something we've established in the last year it's that a huge number of people writing tech/gaming/whatever blogs are doing it because they're too incompetent to work anywhere else and think they found someplace to push their agenda, not because they have any meaningful understanding of or appreciation for the field.

  • by Falconnan ( 4073277 ) on Saturday August 08, 2015 @06:39PM (#50276951)
    First, this IS the testing phase. As long as Google is paying attention to weird interactions within their services, this will likely be ironed out. Second, if this is the biggest problem the service has so far, I submit that it really isn't that bad. Good to know, but not really a big deal to most. On the other hand, if Google wants to be successful in this space, they will need to get this worked out before Project Fi is a generally available thing. Otherwise they really are just flailing about (but artfully).
    • No, this is fairly emblematic of the entire google experience with the exception of search. Baffling decisions, opaque design processes, confusing interfaces, poorly thought out systems, zero and I do mean zero access to customer services. It's not artful or original, it's mostly just crap. Which is why they keep shutting their experiments down after a couple of years.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        It's not zero access to customer services, it's zero customer services period. I recently found out first hand google just plain does not have any form end-user accessible customer service. Even Valve, as astoundingly awful as their customer service is, will still eventually put you in touch with a human being that can look at the situation and fix fuckups.

        Google doesn't have that, at all. They have their one or two automated tools and that's it.

    • "First, this IS the testing phase"

      And it will be in testing phase for another six months and then it will be dropped 18 months later.

      But, at least, it won't come as a surprise, it's Google, after all.

    • Been using it for a month now as both a Google Voice user and someone who has GV in not-a-gmail-dot-com email address (i.e. my own domain).

      Fi won't allow you to use a non-gmail-dot-com email address, period, and this makes things even a bit weirder (and I couldn't really port my GV number to Fi anyway for that reason).

      That said, the base service itself runs REALLY well--switching between networks works nearly flawlessly (and there are definite times AT&T drops and TMob kicks in). As the writer of the a

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Just try to text a picture from your iCloud account. Apple verified that the easiest way to do it is to email it to yourself with the image then go to the email app then copy it to your camera roll by clicking on the nonobvious left arrow then click Save Image then go the message app then click on the camera icon and select the picture. iCloud is very much not integrated with iOS.

  • by mcrbids ( 148650 ) on Saturday August 08, 2015 @07:07PM (#50277009) Journal

    I'm a developer.

    Integrating two different technologies together seamlessly is *extremely difficult*, folks! Roughly 1/3 of the programmers in our company do little more than maintain integration and "bridges" with other vendor products for our clients. They want what we have to offer, and they want it to work with other products, too.

    Our database schema is north of 500 tables. Despite having a proper signal/handler based, modular, service oriented architecture, and careful attention to best practices and the willingness to refactor as soon as deemed necessary, keeping all these different parts working together is a *tough job*.

    I am not at all surprised that even Google is having trouble integrating their existing voice products with Cell and Wifi. That they are even trying is enough to keep programmers up at night, staring at the ceiling in a state of mild panic.

    If they are successful, I will be impressed.

    • "Integrating two different technologies together seamlessly is *extremely difficult*, folks!"

      Yes, it is. And I could go for hours disserting about how the worst problems don't even come from the technical side but, hey, in the end, all that is still not the end-user damn problem, so stop your developer-whining, folk!

  • Maybe if google made people use just one google ID across all google services, these problems would go away. Possibly something like a google+ ID ....
  • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 ) on Saturday August 08, 2015 @08:39PM (#50277277) Journal

    Far too expensive.

    • My first month was last month and I spent less than one half of what I used to spend, so I'd say that it's a deal. And I got free tethering and no AT&T or Samsung bloatware and the ability to unlock my boot loader. So, all in all, 5 stars out of 5 ... so far.

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