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Hyperloop Getting Closer To Reality, Groundbreaking Set For 2016 107

An anonymous reader writes: On Thursday, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (HTT) said it would break ground on the futuristic railway in May 2016. The company says it has signed agreements with Oerlikon Leybold Vacuum and engineering design firm Aecom to work on the project. "It's a validation of the fact that our model works," says Dirk Ahlborn, CEO of Hyperloop Transportation Technologies. "It's the next step."
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Hyperloop Getting Closer To Reality, Groundbreaking Set For 2016

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  • It's a prototype (Score:5, Informative)

    by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Thursday August 20, 2015 @07:50PM (#50358325) Journal
    I had to read fairly far through the article to realize it's just a prototype. It will be about 5 miles long, built in central California, along highway 5.

    The company that's building it worked on tricky projects before, like the LHC. They seem confident in their ability to build it, they said that the hard part is reducing costs and energy usage to acceptable levels.
    • Re: (Score:1, Offtopic)

      by d0ran$ ( 844234 )

      Replying to undo mod

      • by Anonymous Coward
        Modding to undo reply ... oops.
      • Replying to undo mod

        To be fair, it was kind of a funny comment. All someone has to do to get +5 is read the article, summarize the relevant points, and suddenly you are the most knowledgeable guy in the room because no one reads the articles.

        • To be fair, it was kind of a funny comment. All someone has to do to get +5 is read the article, summarize the relevant points, and suddenly you are the most knowledgeable guy in the room because no one reads the articles.

          With good reason. Half the time the article is wrong, either in whole or in part, and you have to read six other things too before you really have any understanding of the topic.

          For years, the summary was usually insanely wrong. Diametrically opposed to the linked article. It was bizarre. I'm convinced it was Slashdot editor policy to pick the worst possible article summary submission for the front page in order to drive comments correcting it. So yeah, you had to read the comments to find out what was

    • They seem confident in their ability to build it, they said that the hard part is reducing costs and energy usage to acceptable levels.

      Sounds like engineering to me.

  • Kind of serious? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by YrWrstNtmr ( 564987 ) on Thursday August 20, 2015 @08:07PM (#50358419)
    So, of the two possible viable corridors for this...BoWash, or SF-LA....which one will have the Environmental Impact Study finished first?
    Then which one will be able to navigate the years of cease and desist lawsuits first?
    • Re:Kind of serious? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Thursday August 20, 2015 @08:33PM (#50358539)

      "which one will have the Environmental Impact Study finished first?
      Then which one will be able to navigate the years of cease and desist lawsuits first?"

      My prediction: the Beijing-Shanghai corridor.

    • If the Boston-Washington one follows the same path I take to get to Mass from Maryland, it would go down the 95 corridor, to the Jersey Turnpike, through New York, and up 95 again. This travels through several states:

      DC
      Maryland
      Pennsylvania (very short, but there)
      Delaware
      New Jersey
      New York
      Connecticut
      Massachusetts

      I know that DC, MD, NY, and MA are all D states, not sure about the rest, but that many D states will be just as bad as CA.

  • by myid ( 3783581 ) on Thursday August 20, 2015 @08:11PM (#50358437)

    I guess I feel like people felt when the train, car and airplane first came out. The hyperloop (like those earlier inventions) sounds like a wonderful idea, but it's a little dangerous. I want to ride on one eventually, but not on the first few runs. Let them work out any early problems with other, more daring riders.

  • I can't wait for teleportation prototype to be next or at least hypersonic passenger plane.
    • by Rei ( 128717 )

      Hyperloop could potentially go at hypersonic plane speeds, if filled with very diffuse hydrogen, or very diffuse hot gas (no, hydrogen is not dangerous nor corrosive at such very low pressures), rather than room temperature air. The speed of sound (the limiting factor) depends on the gas mixture and its temperature. In fact, one kind of expects the gas to be pretty hot on its own from the capsules moving through it - such low pressure gases are poor thermal conductors.

      Of course, the faster you want to go, t

  • Somehow, the same concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] But only the propulsion system is encased in vacuum-like conditions. Very nice idea, embedded safe "devices" for when the system goes down. The hyperloop ideia is not that new, only that now instead of encasing only the propulsion system hyperloop encases the whole vehicle.
    • by Rei ( 128717 ) on Thursday August 20, 2015 @09:44PM (#50358841) Homepage

      Methinks you need to actually read about how Hyperloop works - it's not even remotely like an atmospheric railway. Air pressure no more drives Hyperloop than it drives a train going through a tunnel. A key part of the Hyperloop design is about how to avoid pressure buildup. Hyperloop spends most of its time in free coast. Acceleration (and deceleration) is handled by magnetic accelerator segments, like a big coilgun.

      And to head you off: no, it's not a vactrain either. It doesn't roll on rails or float on maglev or anything of that nature - it floats as a ground-effect aircraft, and hence needs some air.

    • Encasing the entire vehicle allows higher speeds though reduced air pressure. The downside is safety, you're stuck in a long metal pipe if anything goes wrong.
  • It remains to be seen how this will pan out, but having these two companies sign on makes it more likely than ever that the future of transportation may not be autonomous vehicles or supersonic jets, but capsules flying through vacuum tubes.

    Hyper loops, autonomous vehicles or supersonic jets and supersonic jets have different uses. If I am commuting to work or going camping I am probably not going to use a hyper loop or a supersonic jet. If I am travelling to an island a fair distance away I am probably not going to use a hyper loop or an autonomous vehicle. All three modes of transport will probably be useful in the future.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      > f I am commuting to work or going camping I am probably not going to use a hyper loop

      I don't know, an hour commute from LA to SF via hyper loop is less than the time a lot of people spend commuting today, and you don't have to pay attention to the road.

      you don't even need the LA-SF to make it a win.

      Build a 20-30 mile one that terminates near the Google Campus (a lot of other tech companies are close by) and down south of San Jose and you could cut an hour+ off of a LOT of people's commute

      • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

        I don't know, an hour commute from LA to SF via hyper loop is less than the time a lot of people spend commuting today, and you don't have to pay attention to the road.

        In fact a big problem with hyperloop as it is planned is that the station would be well outside the city, requiring another form of transportation for the last miles. It may be enough to negate the benefits of going really fast. It is the same problem as with airports.
        IMHO, nothing beats rail for commutes.

        • IMHO, nothing beats rail for commutes.

          It is easy to beat rail for commutes. Get rid of all the stopping at stations you are not going to. We need rail systems with on/off ramps where your pod can separate from the train and stop at the station while the other people continue on. That would speed up a standard slow speed rail more than all this high speed crap will ever do

        • California's high speed rail project is also planned to have the same problem of not going into the cities.

          • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

            Oh, that sucks...
            A big selling point for high speed train is usually that it gets you right in the middle of the city. This may be helped by making high speed trains compatible with regular railways (although at a reduced speed).
            For example, in France, Marseille-Paris is a bit over 3 hours by high speed train. But because both stations are downtown, it may actually be faster than the plane. Despite a flight time of slightly more than an hour.

            And that's for France. In Japan, the railway system is another ord

    • I always use a supersonic jet to take me to my camping sites!
  • They can Hype the HyperLoop [slashdot.org] with HooperFlies [slashdot.org]!

    I should get advertising royalties from SlashDice for this post.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      That five mile section should work nicely until an earthquake.

      • The partially evacuated pipe is what makes the entire system perhaps better suited to earthquake zones compared to trains.

        With a train, there is no way of knowing whether both tracks are still intact short of a visual survey over the entire length of the line. Forcing all trains to stop immediately.

        With the hyperloop, any breach of the pipe, will let air into the tube, which increases the atmospheric pressure and forces the pod to slow down. It's a nice passive safety system for everything running in the pi

        • With the hyperloop, any breach of the pipe, will let air into the tube, which increases the atmospheric pressure and forces the pod to slow down. It's a nice passive safety system

          Understatement of the day. The air rushing into the broken pipe will hit any 1000kph train within it like a gigantic sledge hammer. It will still hit the train like a sledgehammer if the train has already been stopped because of an advance warning.

          There are plenty of ways of stopping all conventional trains (and Hyperloop trains for that matter, but refer to my first paragraph) if an earthquake is detected anywhere along the line. Japan has such systems. Of course, if the track/pipe is broken at a p

    • Have those HooperFlies flying through hoopsnakes, and then you'd really have something

  • NASA can't have all the (hidden) glory!
  • Hyperloop Getting Closer To Reality, Groundbreaking Set For 2016

    Sounds like a Canadian Indie band who are taking things in a new direction next year.

  • The benefit of freight is that there's far less danger and far lower insurance liability. Hyperloop could pull trucks off the roads, from Seattle to San Diego and from NYC to Boston. Think of the greenhouse gases we'll save.

    • The benefit of freight is that there's far less danger and far lower insurance liability. Hyperloop could pull trucks off the roads .... Think of the greenhouse gases we'll save.

      Then they need to build it big enough to take standard freight containers.

      Most freight does not need to be moved at high speed. Conventional rail can already do that with far less greehouse gas than road transport.

  • I don't mind the Hyperloop as long as they don't make that spooky HYPER CUBE!!!!!!!

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