White House Petition To Let Foreign STEM Grads Work Longer In US Hits 100K Signatures 216
theodp writes: Computerworld reports that a petition urging the White House to act urgently on a court ruling that could force thousands of recent foreign STEM graduates working in the U.S. on OPT STEM extensions to leave the States early next year reached 100,000 signatures Tuesday, the threshold for an official government response. It could present a political conundrum of sorts for the Obama administration. Because the administration didn't act to protect U.S. workers at Southern California Edison and Disney, explained an attorney in the case, "now that foreign workers will be losing their jobs, how would it look if Obama went into overdrive to protect their jobs?" By the way, using a map to gauge whether support for the petition comes from all over the country (as the White House suggests), indicates that support for the OPT STEM Extension petition is largely concentrated in tech hotspots and universities, including off-the-beaten-path college towns that host large international student populations.
They will act now (Score:4, Insightful)
Since it achieves goals for their $upporters.
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Foreign STEM grads can't vote in the US . . . at least legally, but that's another matter.
Rich US donors . . . well, they can vote, but who cares? What they can do is lobby and donate lots of money to the campaign that they own.
At any rate, Obama can just issue an Executive Administration Decree to solve the problem however he likes.
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So, how many of the signers are US Citizens?
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Agreed with sibling... how many of the petitioners are actual US citizens? After all, an Internet-based petition is open to the world, and geolocation ain't that hard to circumvent (and that's not even counting the number of H1-B's signing it from their own home, US-geolocated, IP addys).
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Well, that depends on the petition. If the petition bolsters the administration's standing/reputation/agenda, they'll happily respond. If it embarrasses or runs counter to the agenda, then it wouldn't matter if it had every US citizen signing the petition... it'll get ignored or given a form response with no action taken.
I think this unofficial policy began approximately when the White House realized that their little petition website actually got used by the public (and wasn't just a window-dressing "oh look we'll respond to you directly here even though you sheep will never use it" type of thing.)
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Not ordinarily an Obama defender, but....
For every 100,000 people in the USA who sign a petition on this website, there are 318.76 Million people who did not sign it. Trying to come up with why they didn't - are they indifferent? Opposed? Ignorant? - is an exercise they need to go through for every petition with significant support. As a result, they will respond, but not necessarily take action, unless it makes sense to them, i.e. conforms to, or is at least compatible with, their agenda.
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Part of the problem is that, in effect, there's only two positions you can take on a petition: "Support" or "Not Present", and everybody does the second by default. There's no "Oppose", or even "Abstain" options.
In a poll (of almost anything, politics included), 100k responses is *HUGE* and easily enough to make highly accurate broad claims about the surveyed population (of course, said population may have been intentionally skewed, but you're still getting a far-more-than-representative sample of it). With
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Except when it does:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]
Crappy map (Score:3)
Who the hell would select a map view that pushes the coasts to the edges, makes the mostly empty-of-data-points great plains the biggest US section, and gives us a full frontal close-up of zero-data-point Mexico?
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Who the hell would select a map view that pushes the coasts to the edges, makes the mostly empty-of-data-points great plains the biggest US section, and gives us a full frontal close-up of zero-data-point Mexico?
Somebody in Kingsville, TX?
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I do find it disingenuous that the lawyer quoted conflates the two though. Entry level types who happen to be foreign graduates of a US university aren't going to be competing for any jobs that aren't already at risk of being given to any US-born graduates (which is a problem in Tech, but is a rather different one). That said, the Obama administration (and politicians in general) ought to be doing a lot more to crack down on the H-1B fuckery, just in general, nevermind in relation to a broader immigration overhaul.
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It could present a political conundrum of sorts for the Obama administration.
How naive... they will respond as they always do with almost all these petitions - with a generic form letter statement that will provide vague reassurances that they are "looking into the issue", give no concrete plan for addressing the core demands while mostly evading the question. Anybody who thinks these petitions are worth the paper they are signed on and that the White House actually pays attention to them is deluded.
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It could present a political conundrum of sorts for the Obama administration.
How naive... they will respond as they always do with almost all these petitions - with a generic form letter statement that will provide vague reassurances that they are "looking into the issue", give no concrete plan for addressing the core demands while mostly evading the question. Anybody who thinks these petitions are worth the paper they are signed on and that the White House actually pays attention to them is deluded.
However, if white house responds positively, the Democrats immediately get support from the immigrant diaspora.
With the republican being so anti-immigration, perhaps Democrats don't have to go the extra mile. Or, perhaps friendly immigration moves will capture those moderate with the strong anti-immigration vibes from the other camp.
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I generally agree, except it absolutely did work for cell phone unlocking. https://petitions.whitehouse.g... [whitehouse.gov]
The DMCA exception had even been removed by the LoC, and after the public outcry, they reinstated the exception, and went even further. Today, the FCC forces all carriers to unlock phones as soon as they are paid-for:
* http://pipedot.org/story/2015-... [pipedot.org]
And that
Reduce H-1s (Score:3)
There's a risk that universities would open to merely subvert the immigration process, so safeguards against that should be taken. Also, why limit it to just STEM? If we train a great philosopher, America will be improved if that philosopher chooses to stay here.
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If they reduce the number of H-1s, and keep the people here who were educated here, it seems like a reasonable solution. There's a risk that universities would open to merely subvert the immigration process, so safeguards against that should be taken. Also, why limit it to just STEM? If we train a great philosopher, America will be improved if that philosopher chooses to stay here.
The problem is that the primary way to keep those educated here is to make them H1Bs. For most, there is no other way to stay afterwards.
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The suggestion was to make it so that the work visas currently available to graduating students don't expire (or are easier to renew, or something like that) *without* turning them into H-1Bs. Saying "the problem is that the way we can achieve Y is to do X" is pointless to the point of absurdity, when the discussion is centered on changing the rules.
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"Undocumented" workers out so ... (Score:2)
that some of the less educated of the 94 million adults not working can get jobs.
I've got a better idea... (Score:2, Informative)
Why don't we reduce the number of foreign students attending our Universities and make room for, you know, Americans? I believe that a good part of the reason that so many foreign students are admitted is the huge premium on tuition that the school collects. Foreign students pay WAY more in tuition than American students do so the schools have a vested interest in having as many foreign students as possible.
Classroom seats, like so many other things in life, is a zero sum game. For every foreign student adm
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Why don't we reduce the number of foreign students attending our Universities and make room for, you know, Americans? I believe that a good part of the reason that so many foreign students are admitted is the huge premium on tuition that the school collects. Foreign students pay WAY more in tuition than American students do so the schools have a vested interest in having as many foreign students as possible.
Classroom seats, like so many other things in life, is a zero sum game. For every foreign student admitted there is one American student that misses the cut. Why not take care of American students first and then, if there are any seats left, admit foreign students? Would this not address the supposed shortage of skilled STEM workers that business is always whining about?
Classroom seats are not zero sum games.
Universities can build buildings, hire teachers and can create as many classroom seats as needed.
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To make room for more foreign students you mean? You're missing the point. We don't need more seats in the classroom and more buildings. We need to take care of American students first and foremost.
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Out of curiosity, why? What makes an American student more worthy of education than a foreign one? We're all human. Why should the location of your birth privilege you or work against you? "That's just the way it is" isn't a valid answer, when you're arguing against something that is would change this situation; obviously that's not "just the way it is" because at that point, you're trying to *make* it that way.
With that said, if you want to favor education for US citizens, how about attacking the root of t
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"What makes an American student more worthy of education than a foreign one? " - Everyone is "worthy" of an education. But American universities are funded by American tax payers (public ones anyway - private schools is a different matter). We built those schools so it seems to me that we should get preference when it comes to admissions.
"If the universities prefer foreign students because they get more money for them, maybe you should fix *that*." - I agree with you completely. Universities are gaming the
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Follow the money. A university makes the most money on out of state students and graduate students. Foreign students nearly always got their undergraduate degree locally before coming to the US and have a harder time switching universities. So a captive graduate student population paying the highest fees is what is focused on. Who cares about undergraduate studies, that isn't as profitable and your highest profit students already have that from a different country.
Its simple, really. The university couldn't
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Exactly right. The only thing I would take issue with is the assertion that Universities are chronically short of money. If that is true then it is not due of lack of funding. Universities get plenty of money. The issue is how it gets spent. I have done a lot of work for Universities and they are run like little governments. Lots of waste and inefficiency, trust me on that.
I'm going a bit off topic here but I think that Universities spent far too much money on sports.
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I could, and perhaps should, have qualified the part about "chronically short on money". The short version is that they will always plead poverty when it comes to raises, maintenance, etc., though if it is the pet project of the chancellor, beneficiary of generous donation, or paid for by a researcher there is usually enough money.
While I don't disagree that they spend too much money on sports and I don't have the budget of any university in front of me, I believe that the biggest problem is on administrati
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"I believe that the biggest problem is on administrative overhead " - Bingo! The same problem exists, I believe, in public schools. Not enough money in the classroom, too much money on overhead.
"What happens then is that a university can have a lot of money, some faculty may be very rich, but the "wrong" departments and "wrong" faculty will be woefully poor, stuck in condemned buildings and the like." - Exactly. We see this in government as well. City Hall is full of marble and custom furniture. The welfare
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I've been in IT for over twenty years. I have never, ever, felt there was a general consensus in favor of the aptitude, creativity, productivity, quality of workmanship from H1-B workers, F1 Visa interns, or in general 'Indian or Chinese' workers. For the SJWs, there are some really good ones, nothing is 100%. But, there's not that many to warrunt a perceivable pattern of excellence. If they were so good, or even as good as Americans, then why don't they create their own globally influential Apple/Micro
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I would guess that large portion (most?) of those signing the petition are, in fact, the same STEM students. No one checks your citizenship (or identity) when signing those things. I expect this to be mostly self-serving.
Note: I have no opinion on the actual issue (I am a non-native-born US citizen fwiw)
What you think the party that says there is no voter fraud, and routinely opposes photo ID for voters would use non citizens in this way ?
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There is no voter fraud and the GOP has yet to provide any evidence of even a single campaign being put in jeopardy based on it. There's literally more people hit by lightning than committing voter fraud.
Let me google that for you
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
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The very first headline from your link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
I don't think your citation shows what you thought it was going to show.
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That's funny
This is my first link
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07... [dailysignal.com]
But hey, I can understand people that think protecting the integrity of the voting system is less important than deciding who can buy cigarettes. /sarcasm
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That the "Daily Signal" is your first link says more about you than it does about voter fraud.
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Oh why pretend the source actually matters for you.
Anything that disagreed with your prejudices you would slander.
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I didn't slander anything. I just pointed out that the source of your information speaks volumes about you.
People can draw their own conclusions.
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That's funny
This is my first link
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07... [dailysignal.com]
But hey, I can understand people that think protecting the integrity of the voting system is less important than deciding who can buy cigarettes. /sarcasm
Because the protections are not needed but typically act as an effective barrier for the already disenfranchised. Some people think it's more important to help the disenfranchised participate than to protect against a problem that does not exist.
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That's funny
This is my first link
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07... [dailysignal.com]
But hey, I can understand people that think protecting the integrity of the voting system is less important than deciding who can buy cigarettes. /sarcasm
Because the protections are not needed but typically act as an effective barrier for the already disenfranchised. Some people think it's more important to help the disenfranchised participate than to protect against a problem that does not exist.
300 voter fraud convictions
http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.... [amazonaws.com]
Are you sure you know what the word exists means ?
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ONE is too many. Period.
I don't care if it is Diebold or illegitimate votes from dead relatives or illegal immigrants or felons or ....
Integrity of the polls is probably the most important thing to our system in our democratic republic representative governance.
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31/1000000000 is as close to none as any human-designed system can get.
You have a better chance of winning Powerball than being affected in any way by a fraudulent vote.
You're cool with billionaires buying election, but a possible 31 votes out of ONE BILLION
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Oh, bullshit. That's not even hyperbole, that's just idiocy. On the scale of "important things in our [so-called] democratic representative governance system", completely eliminating every case of voter fraud probably ranks somewhere below protecting mailmen from getting attacked by dogs while delivering the increasingly-obsolete voter information packets. Organized mass voter fraud would absolutely be a problem; I don't think anybody would ever try to argue otherwise. That's not happening, though, and "ONE
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America used to lead in science in technology, but the rest of the world catches up quickly
Is this a bad thing? Or any different from the last thousand years?
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your jobs are lost at a much higher level because American management nowadays hires foreign contractors, but this is invisible to you. Thus, you can't complain about what you can't see.
What makes you think it's invisible? Or that people don't complain about it? Outsourcing happens, everyone has stories about it. Many of the outsourced jobs are coming back onshore because the work wasn't getting done or because the offshore labor is no longer as cheap as it was.
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Three reasons why outsourcing jobs are bouncing back
Labor is no longer as cheap, /transport costs are no longer as cheap,
Shipping
Quality control. It is harder to manage bad quality when the managers are 10,000 miles away from the employees.
Automation and the above is brining back manufacturing. I see a time 30 years or so when yes cars etc are made to order instead of being shipped as that is how the cost structures are going
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This is about outsourcing contractors, and India is not a common target but China, Taiwan, Korea, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South America, and East Europe are the common targets.
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"-American workers are simply too expensive compared with the rest of the world."
I think you mean "too expensive for my expensive taste/budget" *
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"-American education is simply too expensive compared with the rest of the world"
Maybe there is a reason for that? Take a look at the top 20: **
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
"-America used to lead in science in technology, but the rest of the world catches up quickly"
http://www.realclearscience.co... [realclearscience.com] ***
Or, if you like, the locat
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I see it all the time, I also see crappy code coming back and not working. I see my boss looking the other way because you need to be down with the plan to keep your job, anyone ruffling feathers about the quality of the effort being less than was done previously is out of a job.
I see it all, and frankly you guys suck.
That's quite an amazing generalization..
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This is misleading. They encourage companies to come, not job hunters.
Misleading my ass: http://www.canadavisa.com/cana... [canadavisa.com]
Compare this to US immigration policy.
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Collectively, immigrants -both legal and illegal- send tens of billions of dollars back to their respective countries every year, removing that currency from US markets. How again is that a "good deal" for the US economy?
1. We get the services for which we paid them. 2. They do spend a lot of their money here (even if it's not all of it). 3. helping the world economy also helps the US economy.
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Collectively, immigrants -both legal and illegal- send tens of billions of dollars back to their respective countries every year, removing that currency from US markets. How again is that a "good deal" for the US economy?
Because while they may send $120 billion in remittance per year, they make trillions of dollars working in our economy. They go to US restaurants, US supermarkets, buy US real estate, and start US companies. 40% of Fortune 500 companies were founded by 1st or 2nd generation immigrants, so I'm fine with them sending a fraction of 1% of our GNP overseas each year.
Unlike those who are born here who don't shop or eat at restaurants. What you're saying is that if you live here you buy things here. Great. Let's start making them citizens instead of temporary workers. Note, a temporary worker is not an immigrant. A temporary worker has no interest in improving their host country.
It's sad that we don't consider developing these skills in our own population. The US is a huge country and probably contains the same number of potential STEM workers that we're "t
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The US is a huge country and probably contains the same number of potential STEM workers that we're "taking" from the rest of the world.
The US has about 5% of the world's population. It is laughable to think we have the same number of potential STEM workers as the rest of the world, especially given that our primary schools rate so poorly compared to other nations.
It just so happens that we don't really want to invest in Americans.
The US spends more per student than any other developed country in the world. (source [cbsnews.com]). Private school tuition does not affect these averages much, so even our public schools are better funded than the rest of the world. We absolutely do invest in Americans, but with only 5% of th
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We spend more, and get less per dollar, typical American idiocy of top down management (see Common Core) while maintaining the industrial education system in a modern information age.
I work in education, and I see tons of wasted money being spent on people who will never recover that lost value("Special Education") while neglecting kids who actually want to succeed (exceptional). We cater to whiny parents of school brats while ignoring the good kids and parents who are there trying to dodge all the crappy r
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Comparing money spent on college education is far more complicated since the US government generally does not pay for college. To compare money spent on college with other OECD nations, you would have to include all government and private spending on college. From a total investment standpoint, the government paying for college is no different than private citizens paying for it; the only difference is whether the payments are direct (loans/savings) or indirect (taxes).
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A temporary worker has no interest in improving their host country.
First of all I don't think you get to speak for all temporary workers, and secondly, many permanent workers have no interest in helping their countries either. Luckily the success of the economy does not depend on the good will of those working within it. Workers with no desire to help the countries they work in (foreign and domestic) will help those countries regardless.
It's sad that we don't consider developing these skills in our own population.
I think just about everyone who has thought about the subject has considered this.
The US is a huge country and probably contains the same number of potential STEM workers that we're "taking" from the rest of the world.
If only someone would simply consider leveraging that
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Slick.
Here we are talking about temporary foreign replacement workers, and you slip 1st and 2nd generation immigrants in, hoping no one would notice. Wrapping it with '40% of Fortune 500' was a nice touch, I'll give you that.
But I noticed. They fall for that bait and switch on the CNN and Fox forums. One should know better around here.
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Slick.
Here we are talking about temporary foreign replacement workers, and you slip 1st and 2nd generation immigrants in, hoping no one would notice. Wrapping it with '40% of Fortune 500' was a nice touch, I'll give you that.
But I noticed. They fall for that bait and switch on the CNN and Fox forums. One should know better around here.
I have yet to meet an H1B worker who wasn't trying to get citizenship. My sample size is only about a dozen, but I have never seen these H1B immigrants who plan on coming here to work for a couple years and then leaving. This does happen quite often, but only because of how hard it is for them to get green cards.
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I'd be happy to support visa for these folks, but NOT H-1Bs or similar. If we need them, bring them in and give them full rights. If we don't need them that badly, we don't really need them.
Coming here and working at below-market rates *does* technically "improve our economy*, as the investors get to make a bit more money off of them, but not in a positive way (driving down skilled middle-class labor wages).
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I'd be happy to support visa for these folks, but NOT H-1Bs or similar. If we need them, bring them in and give them full rights. If we don't need them that badly, we don't really need them.
I am not sure whether or not you truly understand the relationship between OPT and H1B. OPT (Optional Practice Training) is limited to those who are holding F1 visa and finished school in the U.S. (Associated Degree or higher) so that they can work temporary (it is now up to 29 months), and these people must work in the field they graduated from. H1B is granted to anyone who want to work in the US (up to 6 years) and have a sponsor.
What you said here looks like that H1B is only for those who are from the ou
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Never hire Brahmen (top Indian caste). They think they are too good to work.
Lower Indian castes are smart, good workers.
Every Brahmen at IIT had a lower caste 'helper' that did the work for him/her. Find the helper and hire them.
Brahmen will identify themselves in interviews. All you have to do is talk about how 'upper crusty' your family is (doesn't matter if there is any truth to it). They will immediately have to top you.
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Never hire Brahmen (top Indian caste). They think they are too good to work.
Lower Indian castes are smart, good workers.
Every Brahmen at IIT had a lower caste 'helper' that did the work for him/her. Find the helper and hire them.
Brahmen will identify themselves in interviews. All you have to do is talk about how 'upper crusty' your family is (doesn't matter if there is any truth to it). They will immediately have to top you.
This prejudice drivel gets modded "Informative?" Un-fucking-believable Slashdot. One of my best engineers is a Brahmen. Just like every other group of humans on the planet, some people are assholes. Some aren't. Fuck sake. I don't care how many asshole Brahmen's you've worked with, this is plain old confirmation bias and prejudice at work. People don't choose the fucking "caste" they are born into.
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This prejudice drivel gets modded "Informative?
Who exactly are the prejudiced against? You can't say Indians, as if you read through, they say to hire the lower caste student.
Because the Caste system offends you, you jump to conclusions. The problem is, India does in fact have a Caste system and it still is a large part of their culture. It isn't prejudice to point out what actually exists. And yes, there is exceptions to every "stereotype". But stereotypes exist for a reason, fair or not.
So, yes, judge the individual, but don't ignore the warning signs
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This prejudice drivel gets modded "Informative?
Who exactly are the prejudiced against? You can't say Indians, as if you read through, they say to hire the lower caste student.
Because the Caste system offends you, you jump to conclusions. The problem is, India does in fact have a Caste system and it still is a large part of their culture. It isn't prejudice to point out what actually exists. And yes, there is exceptions to every "stereotype". But stereotypes exist for a reason, fair or not.
So, yes, judge the individual, but don't ignore the warning signs of stereotypes for "outrage" sake.
It's prejudiced against the Brahman. A Brahman is someone whose parents were Brahman. End of story. By suggesting that people should avoid Brahmans, HornWumpus is spreading prejudice. How is that hard to understand? It's no different that the SJWs that assume all men are _____. I was born male and if someone suggests that men should not be hired because they are _____, then that person is being a prejudice ass.
I lived in India a year for work. I've worked with people from all the castes. Some are p
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I was born not knowing what a fucking Brahman was.
Now I will _never_ knowingly hire one.
I between those two events I met and 'worked' with many. They were/are 'worse than useless' air thieves.
I have no doubt their are exceptions. I also expect they are disgusted by their fellows and never apply the label or thinking.
They are just exactly like 'upper class' Englishmen or old money, east coast Americans. Useless!
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Who exactly are the prejudiced against? You can't say Indians, as if you read through, they say to hire the lower caste student.
Well to any person with satisfactory reading comprehension abilities who read this post, the answer is obviously "Brahmen (top Indian caste)".
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save the trouble and hire a Chinese!
Or just save the trouble of begging USCIS for a non-immigrant petition and hire local.
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This prejudice drivel gets modded "Informative?" Un-fucking-believable Slashdot
Brahmin, it's just not a caste...it's a religion.
What's your point? The OP was referencing the caste. But even if you limit it to the religious angle it's like saying it's OK to be an anti-Semite because Judaism is a religion. More specifically it's like saying "Don't hire Protestants, they're all uppity. But those Catholics are good workers. They know their place."
Most people are born into their religion. Some take it seriously, some don't. Some are tribal, some are not. Some convert, most don't. The only information to be gleaned from someone b
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Wow, calling out someone for some severely racist comments is considered Flamebait around here? I didn't think Slashdot had gotten that bad.
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Oh yes, it is so un-American to accept the world's tired, poor, huddled masses.
I don't see that quote anywhere in the Constitution. Or are you talking about the poem that wasn't added to the Statue of Liberty until 1903?
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Oh yes, it is so un-American to accept the world's tired, poor, huddled masses.
I don't see that quote anywhere in the Constitution. Or are you talking about the poem that wasn't added to the Statue of Liberty until 1903?
I don't see where I said it was in the Constitution. And that poem was a reflection of a mentality our country had before it was written; Emma Lazarus did not initiate some new immigrant movement in the US.
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There are plenty of people with good resumes. Then you bring them in for interviews, and it becomes apparent that they don't know shit. There are not enough skilled workers to meet demand (foreign + domestic).
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You are understand the false idea that H1-bs are above average.
I found them to be no better than anyone else and many of them got through school by cheating.
Considering they are more likely to get a degree, start a business, and have high achieving children, I would say they are above average. Maybe not even above average compared to college educated natives, but that isn't the correct measuring stick. Even if we were only increasing the number of poorly educated college graduates, that would still rise the average education level of our country.
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I put myself through school 3 times, worked full time at night in a factory to do so. My family is one of the wealthiest in my very poor town, which isn't saying much. I put up with 3 hours or more of commuting a day and work nearly 24 hours a day some days. You really think that I've made poor decisions?
I have too little information to know if you have made poor decisions, but based on what you wrote I assume you have. I have no idea what putting yourself through school three times means. Does that mean a Bachelor's, PhD, and MBA/JD? Or does it mean three useless degrees, or perhaps even two failed attempts at a degree? Its too little information to go on.
Working full time while getting a degree is also suspect. That takes a great work ethic, but even being in that position means you probably made bad choi
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Do you have any actual rebuttal to eir point, or are you simply calling names? This isn't a kindergarten playground, for all that it occasionally resembles one; you need to actually respond to what somebody says if you want any respect. Be glad I'd already commented on this story so I can't moderate.
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To ... uh ... spend a metric ton of money to get a degree that I could've gotten for free at home?
I don't know.
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Just? Foreign students have been coming to the UK for decades. Universities would struggle without the money from foreign students.
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Yeah, if anyone is sorely underrepresented in Washington it's billionaires.
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#BillionaireLivesMatter
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Do we get to vote on that?
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Yes, God forbid a man who has made billions, who has actually ran a company, caused things to be built, employed American citizens, etc. be asked his opinion.
I'm sorry, were you referring to Mr. Trump here, or some other businessman who has managed to file bankruptcy repeatedly as a billionaire?