Microsoft Begins Rolling Out Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (windows.com) 118
Microsoft has started to roll out Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, aka, "Redstone 3" to the general public. The company has been testing this new major update to its desktop operating system for over six months. Much like the previous major updates to Windows 10, the Fall Creators Update is also free to Windows 10 users. Some of the remarkable new features the company is shipping with Fall Creators Update include a major design tweak called Fluent Design System. The design changes, CNET writes, are "subtle, like motion and blur effects, along with the changes to the way windows appear." Also in the offering are support for mixed reality, improvements to Photos app, and OneDrive on-demand files -- a feature that many users have long requested. You can read more about these new features and improvements here.
"Some of the remarkable new features"... (Score:4, Funny)
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I would. I hate everything.
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I would. I hate everything.
You must be a fun first date sexconker. :-)
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I would if the story was pro-Linux. I hate Linux! ;)
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proof, all sucking is not equal
Already? (Score:4, Insightful)
Good god, how I dread these things. They always cost me time and hassle.
Semiannual vs. biennial (Score:3)
To me it sounds like someone who prefers, say, the biennial (2-year) cycle of Ubuntu long-term support (LTS) releases over the semiannual (6-month) cycle of Ubuntu intermediate releases and Windows 10 feature updates.
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I don't use Ubuntu, but I also don't sweat LTS releases. If I'm not ready to update stuff, I just don't update it until I am ready.
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In Linux, some people call this hot-patching. Good reason to move up to the 4x kernel and enjoy.
Or use Livepatch. Or 16.04, ksplice/kgraft? Sorry, what was your complaint again, having to endure reboots for kernel patches?
Re: Already? (Score:2)
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No, I don't consider it a hassle. Then again, I usually don't need to redo my whole settings, clean up the system from spyware that miraculously got turned back on and hunt down a few new drivers for the next couple days whenever I install a new Ubuntu kernel.
Maybe that's why.
GNOME 2 to Unity to GNOME 3 (Score:2)
Then again, I usually don't need to redo my whole settings
Unless you're using mainstream Ubuntu, which changes desktop environment once or twice a decade. It changed from GNOME 2 to Unity in 11.10, leading to widespread sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. And it's set to change from Unity to GNOME 3 in 17.10 [ubuntu.com].
clean up the system from spyware that miraculously got turned back on
Like the Amazon shopping lens a few years back?
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I don't use Ubuntu.
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One of the reasons, yes. Maybe the situation has changed in the years since I gave up on Ubuntu, though.
The main reason I don't use Ubuntu is because (again, years ago) I could never get it to work correctly on laptops. So I started using Debian instead, because was relatively painless.
That problem has probably been fixed since then as well, but too late -- I'm happy with Debian.
I have to admit, though, that all the Gnome/Lens stuff certainly didn't help with my opinion of Ubuntu.
Re: Already? (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you consider it a hassle when Ubuntu wants to reboot to install a new kernel?
I wasn't commenting on the rebooting. But now that you bring it up, no, I don't consider it a hassle if Linux wants to reboot, because I get to choose exactly when that happens. It's also very rare.
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Im a bit of a linux noob, but doesnt a new kernel get released like at least once a month? I have auto updates turned on on my server but with auto reboot off and it seems like every few weeks when i log in it wants to reboot. And i have definitely had old kernels clogging up my boot partition (which i stupidly made too small initially and had to fix). I use ubuntu LTS as well.
Am
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Im a bit of a linux noob, but doesnt a new kernel get released like at least once a month?
It depends on what you mean by "get released". There tends to be 2-3 updates per month from the kernel developers, but most distros don't update as often as that. I don't use Ubuntu so I don't know their update policy. Once per month is certainly possible.
Am i doing linux wrong?
That's impossible to say without knowing your requirements and what your procedures are.
Grub has to rebuild itself and the machine has to reboot to use the new kernel.
This is true. My point wasn't that you never have to reboot, it was that you have complete control over when that happens. And what you're describing bears that out: yo
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It's also very rare.
You sound like a sysadmin who doesn't pay very much attention. I'm running the 16.04 LTS release of Ubuntu. I installed it last year with kernel version 4.4.0-7.22 (Ubuntu numbering), actually a 4.4.2 mainline kernel. Since April last year there have been 51 kernel security updates each requiring a reboot to apply to my Linux machine which means that on average my Ubuntu server gets rebooted twice as often as my Windows machine for the purposes of applying an update.
Speaking of, I just logged into SSH to do
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Well, in hindsight, "very rare" was a bit hyperbolic. What I had in mind was that Windows wants to reboot pretty much once per week. I don't have any other operating systems (Linux or otherwise) that needs it that frequently.
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What I had in mind was that Windows wants to reboot pretty much once per week.
That seems strange - my personal Windows desktop boxes seem to reboot once a month, unless some critical vulnerability that requires a restart is forced as an out of bands update. That doesn't seem to happen much at all now.
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What I had in mind was that Windows wants to reboot pretty much once per week.
Microsoft doesn't roll patches out that often. You have a problem with your install or some application.
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Maybe so, but that would be weird. It was newly installed 6 months ago and pretty much only has development tools on it.
Whichever. Once a week or once a month, I still have to be paranoid about the reboots because I don't know when they're going to happen and I can't stop them.
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Whose.
Re: Already? (Score:1)
We under an hour on phenom x4 9850 with evo 850 ssd. Had to reinstall graphics driver. And before update it wanted to uninstall atlas reactor. Whatever.
Fail craters (Score:1)
Fail craters. Because it will crash and burn.
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Have you stopped molesting goats yet, you fat cunt?
Waiting for the Fall destroyers update (Score:1)
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Better a hater than an apologists for terrible decisions in design, business models, and just general anti competitive practices.
Yes, I GLADLY wear the label of 'hater'. Because one makes me an obnoxious a-hole. You're actively hurting everyone with your complacency. You deserve no sympathy.
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There was a time when people here would actually discuss the new features of a Windows update.
There was also a time when Windows didn't force their updates on you whether you wanted them or not.
I suspect that your observation and my observation are likely related.
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You say hatred, we say experience...
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FreeBSD?
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Look buddy, you're obviously not a SysAdmin so Linux is a struggle for you. No problem. We all have preferences. I happen to love my CentOS 7 Linux box. You know what? I also love my Windows 10 box. I don't give a fuck who agrees with me or not. Linux for the Server, Windows for the desktop. Mac? Apple has fucked the desktop so fucking bad that's it's bleeding from every orifice.
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Contrast (Score:5, Interesting)
I want to be able to find the damn scroll bars. Either improve the colors, let me choose a classic theme, or otherwise give me some ability of get rid of the flat interface disaster. That is my requested feature.
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Agreed on that. Flat interface that makes it hard to know where things are just slow the user down. It's no fun.
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Nothing wrong with the FLAT UI. There is a reason everyone is copying the concept, including google and the open source community.
Peer pressure?
omfglearntoplay got it right. What's wrong with it, is that it makes making out the features of the ui, like buttons, harder.
Personally I use WindowBlinds to address the issue i windows 10. Currently my desktop almost looks like a win7 desktop, transparency included.
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Nothing wrong with the FLAT UI. There is a reason everyone is copying the concept, including google and the open source community.
Idiocy?
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Oh great (Score:3, Insightful)
So now we need even better GPUs just to make sure those stupid effects don't waste even more time.
Anyone know how to disable the stupid "here's all your windows, click on one" effect and return ALT-TAB to the way it has worked for decades?
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Oh, damnit. Blame my Apple keyboard on that one. I'm doing ALT+CMD on my Mac but I guess it becomes WIN+TAB when I'm on Windows.
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It is Spring, damn it.
Why would you use a geographically dependent naming convention?
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Because it's NOT spring. It's fall. Just because the southern hemisphere fall resembles the northern hemisphere spring doesn't change the fact that the season name is not dependent on location.
So remote desktop is going to be even more painful (Score:2, Insightful)
"motion and blur effects" Please no. We have shared ISDN in our office since Comcast is almost two years late on their promised install, so this is going to make life suck even more. Hopefully it won't be hard to script to disable. We've already invested about two man-weeks in tweaks to Windows to try to make remote desktop less slow.
Headline tomorrow (Score:2)
Microsoft begins rolling back Windows 10 failed creators update
not this shit again. (Score:2)
what if i don't want any of this bullshit?
What if i want an OS that leaves me alone to do my work without being pestered, rebooted, and nagged ?
What if i have zero interest in cortana, skydrive, or any of the other bullshit foisted on me? (see above)
(laptop came with windows 10 home, which .. fuck you MS. Not entirely sure the drivers are actually available for 7, or 8.1 in a pinch. Namely thunderbolt and touchscreen -- and entertaining the notion of spending ~$200 for the pro version to opt out of their
Re: not this shit again. (Score:2, Insightful)
Pro doesn't let you opt out. Only Enterprise or LTSB both of which can only be bulk licensed :(
Re:not this shit again. (Score:5, Insightful)
Product decisions like this are the reason MS will eventually lose the desktop OS market.
How many decades is "eventually"? Windows 8 was probably the best chance ever for Linux to capture more of the desktop market, and it barely shifted - the only thing that happened is that Windows 7 users declined to upgrade.
Even as someone who primarily uses Windows, I desperately wish Microsoft had more competition. Companies become arrogant and complacent when they have no competition. Windows 8 was a beautiful example of that arrogance and tone-deaf attitude on display, and I feel some of the more consumer-unfriendly decisions in Windows 10 wouldn't have occurred if Microsoft felt *any* threat from macOS or Linux in the desktop space.
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"lose the desktop OS market"
More like the desktop OS market is lost. People used to buy a PC because that's what they needed to access the internet. These days a phone can do that and MS already ceded the phone market so they're living on borrowed time as more and more people move away from the desktop. Being king of an ever shrinking market isn't a good thing. Linux doesn't need to win on the desktop, it already won the internet because the battlefield moved and MS couldn't move with it despite some very v
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Thanks! will definitely have to try that.
New Features (Score:2)
Some of the remarkable new features the company is shipping with Fall Creators Update include a major design tweak called Fluent Design System.
Will this update still have the remarkable feature where it will FUBAR my wireless and ethernet connections and require a roll back to 1607?
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Thank $deity for system restore points!
Not looking forward to this. (Score:2)
Thanks for the warning. It allows me to set aside time in advance of the inevitable machine reimaging I have to do because Microsoft destroys our few Windows 10 machines again.
I recommend doing the following in Windows 10 (Score:5, Informative)
This will give Microsoft some time to fix those "oopsies" they missed in the first few month after release before they force me to update. Its only giving me a little over a month buffer this time, as opposed to a few months with the Creators Update, but it may save me some grief on my work PC.
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This will give Microsoft some time to fix those "oopsies" they missed in the first few month after release before they force me to update. Its only giving me a little over a month buffer this time, as opposed to a few months with the Creators Update, but it may save me some grief on my work PC.
Windows Insider here. The last almighty bork MS had win Win10 was a few months ago when an update to the slow ring messed up quite a few systems, and for me the rollback left me unable to apply the subsequent slow ring build. Since then, it's been very rock-solid.
Pausing is fine, but the Windows team is really getting into the swing of frequent updates.
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Set your Branch to "Business". That defers any feature updates for several months before installing them.
It was called "Defer Upgrades" before Creators update, which I only got rather recently because of that setting.
Much like the previous major updates to Windows 10 (Score:3, Insightful)
the software will become even less useful as Microsoft hides regularly used features such as Control Panel.
Instead of being able to go directly to what you want you'll have to spend time searching. It's as if the developers have never been to a brick and mortar store in their life. When buying eggs, does one walk around the entire store looking for them, or do you go straight to the refrigerated section?
Clippy lives on, albeit in another form.
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the software will become even less useful as Microsoft hides regularly used features such as Control Panel.
Is this the update that uninstalls Windows Media Player, but at least it is available to reinstall if needed?
On the other hand... (Score:2, Insightful)
Welcome to the Microsoft slashdot .. (Score:2)
For those running on 10 PRO (Score:2)
Go to settings-> updates -> and select update schedule -> defere updates. Select 30 to 90 days. Done!
For the system administrators now create a GPO to do the same and put it on Active Directory so no one else in your organization gets the updates until others find the bugs for you. Call it a day and go home.
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Defer update is kind of pointless since it doesn't actually delay buggy updates. It just pause updates until X day and you are forced with whatever updates on the due date.
So let's say update X is buggy and a later update Y is buggy. With the defer update, you'll get update X fix patch but you'll still get the newest buggy update Y.
The users still don't get the choice to pick and avoid newest buggy update.
Great... (Score:1)
Upgraded; a bumpy road so far (Score:2)
Just finished upgrading to Fall Creators Update.
I use Slackware Linux (-current 64-bit) and Windows 10 in a dual boot setting managed by GRUB. Both OSes are in partitions of a single drive (/dev/sda).
I thought of this setup as highly stable. It started as a dual boot between Slackware and Windows 8.1. It survived upgrades to Windows 10, Anniversary Update and Creators Update without any hassle, so I thought this time would be equally painless. I was wrong.
This Windows upgrade totally b0rked my previous part
bugfix (Score:2)
I don't think a single one of the "improvements" listed is of any interest. But one non-listed improvement is highly important: a fix to the bug (or several bugs) in the .NET garbage collector introduced with the spring 2017 release. That bug caused major issues for one program I use (SIL's Fieldworks Language Explorer), and I presume it must affect other programs built with .Net. Despite its being documented back in May, and (I'm told) fixed in Insider Releases in June, Ms has only now gotten around to
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Oooh, can I play too?
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