Microsoft Plans For Single-Screen Windows 10X Rollout in Spring 2021; Dual-Screen in Spring 2022 (zdnet.com) 40
Microsoft officials haven't provided a public update on the company's Windows 10X plans since they acknowledged in early May that they were switching gears by making it available first on single-screen devices. Internally, however, things are taking shape and the team is targeting spring 2021 for a first 10X commercial release, ZDNet reported Monday. From the report: Windows 10X, codenamed "Lite"/"Santorini," is not a new operating system. It's a Windows 10 variant in a more modular form and with a new, simpler interface. Originally, Microsoft planned to ship 10X first on new dual-screen devices such as the postponed Surface Neo. I'm hearing Microsoft's latest plan calls for 10X to debut on single-screen devices designed primarily for businesses (especially firstline workers) and education in the spring of 2021. And in the spring of 2022, Microsoft is aiming to roll out 10X for additional single screen and dual-screen devices, my contacts say. The first release of 10X will not include support for running Win32 apps in containers, as originally planned.
app store only will kill windows and make Linux ki (Score:2)
app store only will kill windows and make Linux king. And if apple wants any hope they better be willing to sell mac os for all of the X86-64 hardware out there.
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Gaming on Linux will never happen because everyone will bitch about binary blob drivers for their GPU. Whatever Linux uses instead of DirectX will cause people to bitch and those people will fork a new slightly different implementation. Game companies will look at the fragmentation and steer clear. Not worth their time to sell a dozen games to some cheap uptight fucks.
Most linux gamers aren't stallmenites accept that and only complain about binary blobs when manufactures stop supporting them or they are are shitty to begin with.
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Gaming on Linux will never happen because everyone will bitch about binary blob drivers for their GPU. Whatever Linux uses instead of DirectX will cause people to bitch and those people will fork a new slightly different implementation. Game companies will look at the fragmentation and steer clear. Not worth their time to sell a dozen games to some cheap uptight fucks.
Just call it binaryblobd, part of systemd. People will complain about it, then just accept it.
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What has Linux done in the past decade, that would make you think that it has a chance of being a competitor for Desktop Windows?
Nothing really. We have some custom OS's that use the Linux Kernel, such as Android that have gotten some traction, but not much on the desktop market but on mobile devices, and integrated systems.
There are even guys like me, Who had been using Linux as my Primary OS Since 1994 who had switched over to Windows for my primary Desktop System?
Why?
Linux stopped innovating, All those
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I'd be perfectly fine with a moratorium on "innovating" until after they fix some of the bugs. Also, I'd like it if they'd stop trying to force their personal wet-dream interface down our throats.
Re: app store only will kill windows and make Linu (Score:2)
Not if Buntekuh has a say in it. They already include an "app store" additionally to the normal, sane, package manager. Obvioulsy offering mainl Snaps, to make Linux ALL like Windows.
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And if apple wants any hope they better be willing to sell mac os for all of the X86-64 hardware out there.
1996 called and they want their talking point back.
Win32 is here to stay (Score:5, Insightful)
Only 4? (Score:3)
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We'd all love to be able to forget Vista . . .
The last three in your list were all Steve Ballmer failures, actual decent products that he failed to support or promote adequately and which were marketed to the wrong segment of people. I used Mobile, which did everything I wanted and more, and if they had continued their planned development (a phablet that plugged into a docking station to give full KVM desktop functionality) would have become a remarkably useful tool for people who spend a lot of time worki
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Per your last sentence, I work at Amazon and the view from inside is projects **may** be abandoned **IF** customers don't like them and/or they don't make financial sense. The company has so much cash though that "throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks" is a viable strategy, I've never been anywhere like it. Internally project failures are not necessarily held against the team working on them, so everyone involved in the Fire Phone picked themselves off, shook off the dust, and said, "Well that suck
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Re: Only 4? (Score:1)
Windows 7 is just Vista.1
Windows 8 is Vista.2
Windows 10 is Vista.3.xxxx
If you hate one, you hate the other too. Unless you want to show off your cognitive dissonance based doublethink.
I'm sorry it's just a fact. I cannot change it.
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>quote>Windows 7 is just Vista.1
Windows 8 is Vista.2
Windows 10 is Vista.3.xxxx
WIn7 got the UI right, the Win2000 ascetic with simple quality of life improvements. Only minor tweaks needed to have something actually good. The others require a shell replacement, not the same thing at all.
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Fun fact: PocketPC is Windows CE, they just rebranded it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Incorrect.
PocketPC was an operating environment based on Windows CE, but the two remained quite distinct. Windows CE disappeared in the consumer space in favor of PocketPC (which was rebranded Windows Mobile).
Windows CE was quite actively used in the embedded community - it was real time and had a reasonably good GUI to hang your controller stuff off of. (Today everyone embeds Android for the graphical interface). CE supports x86, ARM, SH3/4, PowerPC
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Win32 is here to stay
There is just too many apps out there.
You aren't wrong but it's worth noting that most everything is now based on the .Net framework. This means porting the framework would be enough to transition most applications.
Chrome and Steam will be enough for 99% of people not to use 10X.
I think the plan is to shift people to using Microsoft Chrome (or whatever they are calling it) and Steam is only used by gamers.
"single-screen devices designed primarily for businesses (especially firstline workers) and education in the spring of 2021"
It seems like they are trying to dislodge the competition in these sectors by mak
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I'm a .NET developer, and I like .NET... but this just isn't even close to right. Even most of Microsoft's software isn't .NET. Very few important/common consumer desktop applications are in .NET.
Mostly Steam is used by people to play games, yes - but it's not like "gamers" is a weird
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Win32 is here to stay. There is just too many apps out there.
The failure isn't from unsuccessfully migrating users off of Win32 apps. It seems to be from unsuccessfully creating containers for Win32 apps so they can run in new environments. This is their plan for Windows 10X and is one of the things being pushed back in the announcement.
I care less about the UI and screens ... (Score:2)
QA (Score:2)
... and more about the QA. The efforts I'd like to see Microsoft put into the Windows environment is the creation of a viable, working Quality Assurance team.
Provided "viable" includes "empowered", I agree. A QA team that cannot delay a release until the worst bugs are fixed is not useful.
Its time for WIndows 11 (Score:4, Interesting)
Windows 10 hasn't been their best effort (though far better than Win 8) and perhaps its time to wipe at least part of the slate clean and start again. IMO they should do an Apple - bin most of the current kernel and go down the unix core route with win32 as a translation API on top of a standard posix API with MS additions as and when required. Unix at core is increasingly the way the world is going in desktop, tablets, phones, network infrastructure, transport systems, and Windows is looking increasingly left field with win32. Yes you can dump cygwin on top of Windows but as anyone who's used it knows - its a long way from being the real thing.
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Imagine thinking you want to "bin most of the current kernel" of a modern Windows OS in 2020.
Re: Its time for WIndows 11 (Score:2)
In heard the Windows kernel's underlying axrhitecture is anything but modern, and could use a modern redesign.
Of course it would take many years to get the new design up to full-featuredness and fix the majority of bugs. So your probable point probably still stands, that thanks to greedy, such a switch would result in some bad times, at least at first.
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The problem with this idea is that trying to provide a compatibility layer for Windows is hard. Even Microsoft doesn't understand everything Windows does. So one approach might be to put an earlier windows in a VM. Only, Microsoft isn't good at that either. There's software that doesn't run right in "XP Mode" on Windows 7, which is just XP in a VM. Granted, that was Virtual PC which they bought, and not their current in-house VM, but it's still not a good sign of competence.
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Devil's advocate: Am I the only one who doesn't want to see a single OS philosophy take over the world? I'm a bit sick of seeing people say that every system should be based on UNIX or Linux and be done with it. Trying a few new things once in a while isn't a bad thing.
That said, I have no idea why backwards compatibility layers haven't been a thing for a while. MS kept using all these hacks for years to keep 16-bit support working when they should have just made an serious software-only emulation layer
New licensing for Corporate America (Score:2)
Well, lets see you have a threadripper with 24 cores and 3 screens, an old Windows 10 license was $200 But with the new Windows 10x it is 24(cores)x3(screens)=72(units)x10=720 points for that license.
You can only buy license point packs at 1,000 and they are $1,000...
Now all those in corporate amreica will have a new issue of trying to undersand the cores and screens in use during an audit or true up to see how many license points we need.
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You can only buy license point packs at 1,000 and they are $1,000...
"License point packs"....sounds like it should be used to buy loot boxes.
I'm happily running Mint 20 so this is all academic to me.
Even "simpler"? (Score:2)
So does the brain amputation come standard when you buy it?
Will it be a big flat blue button with a picture that is supposed to mean "WANT! WAAAH!" for illiterates, that you just have to drool onto? E.g. for when you want a doctor because you tried to put the new larger super-thin Surface onto your shouler like a boom box, and cut your arm clean off?
And will Apple sue?
I guess the Black Knight's mentally disabled child will love it ... ;)
Will they never learn` (Score:2)
Really? Didn't they try this with WinRT and Win10S. The key value of Windows is the app base and even with the UWP apps which have been around for years, most of the useful app base has never moved off Win32.
On ChromeOS, I can at least access the Android app base. With this change to Win10X my choice will have to be to use WSL2, with the GUI support they are adding and run Linux desktop apps or a Win10 VM. And if I do either of those, why do I need Win10X at all?
First Step (Score:2)
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No. This is the first step in eliminating the desktop OS as we know it. Gone will be windows 32 apps (they call legacy apps), old Windows interlace with start menu, Microsoft accounts will become required to login, all apps installed through the app store. First they test this concept on Windows 10X and the like, the following logical step will be making 10X or its derivative mandatory on all new PCs.
Santorini? (Score:2)
Santorini:
They codenamed it after a Mediterranean volcanic island that blew itself to hell in the biggest explosive eruption in that part of the world going back ten thousand years or so.
Very reassuring, Microsoft.