Ukraine's Request To Cut Off Russia From Global Internet Has Been Rejected (cnn.com) 112
The international non-profit that coordinates management of the internet told Ukraine it will not intervene in the country's war with Russia, rebuffing a request to cut Russia off from the global internet. From a report: Ukraine's proposal is neither technically feasible nor within the mission of ICANN, said the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, according to a letter ICANN sent to Ukrainian officials on Wednesday.
s you know, the Internet is a decentralized system. No one actor has the ability to control it or shut it down," ICANN CEO Goran Marby wrote in the the letter. Marby expressed his personal concern about Ukrainians' well-being as well as the "terrible toll being exacted on your country." But, he wrote, "our mission does not extend to taking punitive actions, issuing sanctions, or restricting access against segments of the Internet -- regardless of the provocations."
s you know, the Internet is a decentralized system. No one actor has the ability to control it or shut it down," ICANN CEO Goran Marby wrote in the the letter. Marby expressed his personal concern about Ukrainians' well-being as well as the "terrible toll being exacted on your country." But, he wrote, "our mission does not extend to taking punitive actions, issuing sanctions, or restricting access against segments of the Internet -- regardless of the provocations."
Just like the old IBM (Score:1, Troll)
Re: Just like the old IBM (Score:5, Insightful)
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>> not being able to get a new iPhone this year, or next, or next, or next.
If some "elite" would be cut off of iphone supply, it would realistically be the US, not china.
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"Interesting" is a rather odd adjective to use when talking about two nuclear powers having a land war in Asia.
The bonus irony points would be scored if China claimed that there were ethnic Chinese and Chinese-speakers in those areas, and that they are declaring them independent states by fiat.
Putin: I have tasted my own medicine and it is bitter!
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Everybody knows you should never get involved in a land war in Asia.
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I think it's "interesting" in the same context of the apocryphal Chinese curse* "may you live in interesting times."
* Yes, I know it's not a real Chinese curse. Seemed appropriate, though.
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Nobody's going to do squat to China (Score:2)
If you're in Taiwan and you're not there to sell out your fellow countrymen get out now. It's only a matter of time now...
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China invading Taiwan is another one of those stories the US Military/Industrial Complex has created in an effort to scare some money out of the taxpayers.
Its what they do when an enemy is no longer usful to them, and they have been doing it since the WWII money began drying up.
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I agree it would be really bad for China to invade Taiwan... but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Look at what a bad idea invading Ukraine was for Russia. That *should* have been predictable to Russia.
Taiwan is a highly emotional topic for China; the very name is radioactive to them. Strong emotion and good judgment don't go hand in hand.
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They don't make decisions based on feelings, and won't risk their positions based on emotions.
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If they're not emotional people, they're not people.
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There is no culture in which emotions are not a huge part of decision making. The feeling that you are mostly or even completely rational is just that -- a feeling. A lot of critical thinking in practice is recognizing how emotionally colored your beliefs and opinions are; without that what people use their rationality for is to rationalize *purely* emotional decisions.
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In Canada' parliament, there was a briefing on exactly that: allied intelligence agencies warning of China taking Taiwan by force [www.cbc.ca].
If China decides to do that, it will be the start of World War III, with China and Russia on one side, and virtually every one else on the other ..
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I hope China is watching all of this closely. My guess is that Taiwan is in their cross hairs. The stiffer the penelties inflicted on Russia and their elites, the stronger the message is to China and their elites.
Screw Taiwan... after the incompetence that the Russian military is demonstrating, I wouldn't be surprised if China didn't have *Russia* in their cross hairs.
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I know the "OP" is wrong on every moral principle...
I will be happy to debate morals with you when everyone is dead. The child's table is over there and you shouldn't be allowed up from it until you learn to control your emotions.
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Re: Just like the old IBM (Score:1)
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The parent is "interesting"? Curious.
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I hope she's seeking out a divorce attorney
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I think the point being made is that somehow Russia is a spouse of Ukraine, and therefore Ukraine should just be subservient to Russian interests. You know, like how you're if you're married to a psychopath, you should probably just do what they tell you.
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Yeah, because wearing a mask to prevent the spread of illness is exactly the same as rolling tanks into a neighboring country because they rightly enjoy telling you to go fuck yourself.
Speaking of which, go fuck yourself.
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Because a virus cares about any liberties.
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The "point being made" is that Russia deserves a veto over other countries' chosen alliances, and if he doesn't get it, he'll just invade and install a puppet who will give him what he wants?
Fuck that, and fuck you for even suggesting it. If we learned anything at all in the 1930s, it's that appeasement of expansionist fascist dictatorial cunts just makes the war bigger, later. Better to have it out now and have Russia look like the ill-prepared unmotivated conscripted chumps they are without the nuclear
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Good job not answering anything to do with what I said.
Why should Russia get a veto over another sovereign nation's potential alliances and relationships? Until you can answer that with some form of logic other than "because", feel free to spread your appeasement elsewhere.
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And you've proven yourself to either be a useful idiot, or a propagandist. How is Ukraine not a sovereign nation, when they have internationally recognized borders, their own government, recognized ambassadors and embassies in other nations, membership in the United Nations, a military, and their own legal frameworks?
You either don't know the square root of jack shit about anything, or you've swallowed whole the bullshit Putin is selling while asking for another helping. In either case, nobody should ever
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I hope she's seeking out a divorce attorney
Just as Russia is doing.
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No, Russia is the geopolitical equivalent of Hannibal Lector; eating Ukraine with fava beans and a chianti.
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Except in this case, the packet of beans expired in 2015 and it's not chianti, it's vodka paid for by selling off diesel.
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+1 Troll? LMFAO
It's really amazing to see the knee-jerk political-malice-machine of Slashdot at work.
You do realize I have karma to burn for days here right? I was amassing a large stock of slashdot karma before most of you were even born.
Do us ALL a favor! (ffs...)
Stop, for a brief moment, and question the rhetoric your media outlets are feeding you. Does it really make sense? Should we totally discount Russia's position in all of this? After all, NATO was never supposed to continue to advance eastward lik
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Unfortunately for you, most of us here aren't dull enough to believe that there is a valid explanation for Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. The few that are dim enough to swallow the line of guff you're selling? They're easy to spot - the MAGA hats are a dead giveaway.
Oh, I've got karma to burn, too. I still bother myself to think before I post. Perhaps you should do the same? People wil
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Unfortunately for you, most of us here aren't dull enough to believe that there is a valid explanation for Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine
That's an obvious truth, though I personally wouldn't have selected "dull" as the operative word.
You don't need to listen to me, some random "low /. ID", and you certainly don't need to watch this 2015 University of Chicago lecture that predicts the current scenario and offers very reasonable and well thought-out arguments for why it would almost certainly happen. But, since you claim to not be "dull", you may elect to give this distinguished gentleman some of your eyeball time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch [youtube.com]
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Simply brilliant. Thanks!
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Because the other nations that Russia already shares borders with that are NATO countries are fine, but all of a sudden Ukraine is the proverbial "bridge too far" ?
Get out of here with your appeasement bullshit. Putin started a war because he wants Ukrainian industry and Ukrainian food production, and he thought he would roll right in against pathetic resistance and be welcomed. Instead he got incredibly stiff resistance and resolve, as well as a lesson in what the west's weapons can do even in poorly tra
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Putin started a war because he wants Ukrainian industry and Ukrainian food production,
Putin does not need anything Ukraine has, but he does need Ukraine to not become a second petrostate which would undermine Russia economically.
https://youtu.be/If61baWF4GE?t... [youtu.be]
Re:Just like the old IBM (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, you better get at least a knife, because your wife has two guns, a baseball bat and polonium under her pillow.
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Before I went to sleep, my wife said to me: This Russia is such a bad country, If Ukraine wants to join Nato, it is their business and freedom, Russia has no right to intervene, this is just an excuse for Russia to invade Ukarine.
So I said nothing, I just went to the kitchen and took a knife to bedside, then I said: Let’s go to sleep.
My wife looked at me with her wide eyes: What the heck are you doing, sleeping with a knife?!?!
I said: No worry, let’s go to sleep. Beside, sleeping with a knife is none of your business and it is my freedom.
My wife said: How can I sleep when you are sleeping with a knife? What if you accidentally cut me?
I said: Well, You don’t even trust your own husband, how can you expect Russia to trust Ukraine? Me sleeping with a knife is like Ukraine joining the Nato.
My wife would laugh in my face, roll over & go to sleep. I likely wouldn't get laid that night either. What kina marriage do you have?
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Re: Just like the old IBM (Score:1)
You need to work on your English, comrade.
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That is a steaming pile of bullshit. NATO is a defensive alliance. The fact that your married-couple analogy is patently ludicrous in the first place notwithstanding; if you were going with it, the proper scenario is the husband going to bed wearing body armour, not holding a knife. And the wife is laying in bed with a couple of guns, alternately cleaning and reloading each throughout the night. But in this case, the couple is already divorced but the husband has the misfortune to live in the same town
Re: Just like the old IBM (Score:2)
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If we disconnect everything .ru (as requested), they'll just stand up their own, considerably more manageable intarweb. We'll see to it that everything that was once .ru is Putin's forever - and I'm sure he'll get over not being able to reach the Truth Social [truthsocial.com] website in return for knowing exactly what information the subjects of Putin can see online.
If we just stop let
Kind of agreed. (Score:3)
The concept is that the world is NOT against the Russian people. They are against their current undemocratic overlords.
The Internet is used for bad uses - but on the people vs. overlords scale, it's still largely balanced towards the people in this scenario. Plenty of weight on the other side, mind you - but also a lot of people able to get around limitations and see a wider world.
And a people cut off from the wider world is a lot less capable of creating change over time.
Part of the problem is that in adapting to a LONG history of despotic regimes is that the people have developed a 'wisdom' of never improving things, and seeing any improvement towards anything they would prefer itself as a curse.
But each new generation does bring its own hope of having a better vision for a future that can be improved - and the internet as imperfect as it is, is part of that process that most modern nations had to go through to get to what we count as 'normal' today.
Ryan Fenton
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Totally agree. The Russian "government" is a bunch of cunts for invading Ukraine, but isolating the Russian people from non-governmental sources of information will just strengthen the cunty government, as it has in North Korea where another massive cunt has supreme rule over the nation held through propaganda and isolation.
What is needed now, is popular uprising within Russia, and that's why Russia tightly controls the media - to prevent such an occurrence. They know the value of propaganda and maximize that value at every turn, which is how Putin has been allowed to become de facto Cunt-in-Chief until he dies or is deposed.
The world is waging scorched Earth on Russians (Score:3)
Well, the reality is that the world is launching sanctions specifically intended to impoverish the Russian people while admitting that the Russian people don't have the political system or arms needed to overthrow their government.
The rest of the world doesn't get a "WELL HE MADE US DO IT" pass on this. What Russia is doing here is no worse than what the USA did in Iraq, Libya and Syria. In
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Well, the reality is that the world is launching sanctions specifically intended to impoverish the Russian people
If by "people" you mean billionaire oligarchs, then yes.
What Russia is doing here is no worse than what the USA did in Iraq, Libya and Syria
You might not have realized, but the US went into these places and then LEFT them. (Unlike Russia, which is still fighting in Syria to this day [wikipedia.org]) Ukraine is different, Putin plans never to leave Ukraine because he sees it as an illegitimate country that should really be part of Russia. [vox.com] The US went into Libya and Syria to prevent mass murders (admittedly, the entry to Iraq had worse motives), Russia went into Ukraine out of naked imperialism.
Where did you get this nonsense? FN or CNN? (Score:2)
That must be why you can't use Apple Pay in the Moscow Metro. Because the oligarchs love them some Apple-driven ticket purchases on public transportation.
Give me a break. You know damn well that these sanctions target every facet of Russian society and hit the poor the hardest. They can't even trade anymore with any country that does business with the West which is why they can't even buy computer parts from Taiwan anymore.
Useful to combat misinformation (Score:2)
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The concept is that the world is NOT against the Russian people. They are against their current undemocratic overlords.
The Internet is used for bad uses - but on the people vs. overlords scale, it's still largely balanced towards the people in this scenario. Plenty of weight on the other side, mind you - but also a lot of people able to get around limitations and see a wider world.
And a people cut off from the wider world is a lot less capable of creating change over time.
This. Not only does it set a bad precedent, meaning that a corrupt administration can weaponise internet access against their enemies... it also plays direct into Putin's hands. He wants to limit information to the Russian people. In the last few days a whole rash of laws limiting what people are permitted to say, I.E. you're not permitted to criticise the government, you're not even permitted to call the invasion of Ukraine an invasion.
As much as I feel for the people of Ukraine (so much so we should be
Who does Ukraine think it is? (Score:4, Funny)
The Disney corporation?
You don't lose your Internet connection until you do something like violate copyright on the image of Mickey Mouse.
This could also work against Ukraine (Score:5, Insightful)
As long as the internet is somewhat accessible in russia, there are those who will connect to western news and get a western perspective (I'm not going to call it truth because there are many times when journalists tell straight up lies, want to spin a narrative, want to relay a narrative or are just misinformed). But the western news is much much better than the constructed lies of controlled russian media outlets. So lets keep the equivalent of cross boarder radio going, despite the fact that russia can use the same network for evil.
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As long as the internet is somewhat accessible in russia, there are those who will connect to western news and get a western perspective (I'm not going to call it truth because there are many times when journalists tell straight up lies, want to spin a narrative, want to relay a narrative or are just misinformed). But the western news is much much better than the constructed lies of controlled russian media outlets. So lets keep the equivalent of cross boarder radio going, despite the fact that russia can use the same network for evil.
Agreed. I understand the sentiment from Ukraine's perspective, but the Internet is one of the few ways that external information can filter into Russia.
You're only thinking about news (Score:2)
There was never much chance of this happening, but if it had Russia would collapse and Vlad would be strung up by next Thursday.
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Don't cut them off... (Score:2)
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People who don't understand DNS need to shut up about it and learn first. What you ask for is impossible.
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And who, pray tell, is going to make Russia use ICANN approved root servers?
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Oooh, ICANN controls a server. That settles it then. Russia cannot find a way around that. A server!. Please heed my initial advice and STFU until you know something.
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You're an idiot. Not because you don't know DNS, but because you refuse to learn.
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free speech (Score:2)
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idiots. (Score:2)
Those peoples are called idiots.
ICANN is being Neutral. (Score:3)
But who are the trunks out of Russia connecting to? Those are owned by networking companies in the neighboring countries. Turning those off would isolate things just fine, as well as having the benefit that any Russian hackers would need to be outside the country to do their work.
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Depends on whose ox is getting gored (Score:2)
The knee-jerk reaction is for ICANN to do this and for some people to bitch that they aren't doing it blaming money or something but the fact is that it all depends on who the target is. Some people would cheer if ICANN blocked Fox News during the run up to the next election. Some would bitch if the Justin Turdeau demanded that ICANN block every site associated with the trucker convoy while others would cheer it while holding up a "follow the science" banner. Technology infrastructure organizations (yes,
Why do we have to listen to them? (Score:2)
Why do we have to listen to them? We can each implement our own IP block lists and prevent traffic from Russia from being sent to us. If enough ISPs do this, it can be almost like they don't exist anymore. https://www.countryipblocks.ne... [countryipblocks.net]
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Stick your fingers in your ears and pretend nothing wrong is happening.
Cool idea, dude.
Run your own root server and censor all you want (Score:2)
Here is the root zone file: www.internic.net/domain/root.zone
Load that into a DNS server and you can edit DNS any way you like. What's that? But nobody is going to use your root server and see your view of the DNS? Well, now you're starting to get it.
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Well, It's UP TO US! (Score:1)
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