GNOME 1.0 Released 1095
The illustrious Elliot Lee writes "GNOME 1.0 is now available for download. Please peruse the press release and then download it via a convenient FTP mirror (as soon as they sync up). " Update: 03/04 08:36 by J : Whoops - forgot to plug my own program!
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NO WORKING SOURCE CODE - BOYCOTT GNOME (Score:1)
go back to windows, its obviously where you belong
Norton Dashboard (Score:1)
This was before I discovered they power of the penguin. It delayed my "upgrade" to Win95 for several months because the Win95 UI sucked compared to Dashboard. Dashboard (now owned by Starfish) for Win95 sucked becuase, unlike previous versions, it made things slower.
Now, I use KDE, and I like kpanel. When I get back home, I will be trying Gnome 1.0 on one of my PCs. In the past it has not impressed me, but it has been a long time since I checked it out.
Who CARES about Joe Sixpack? (Score:1)
Though it is currently difficult for a computer illiterate to use a computer (regaurdless of OS) that doesn't mean that ease of use shouldn't be a goal. Right now most of the world runs a MS OS on their desktop. Do you think we should accept that? Or, should we try and build the best darn OS we can so people can have a truly great system? Damn straight we should!
World Domination!
Penguin Power!
Miguel de Icaza a volunteer? (Score:1)
Federico works at RHAD, not Miguel (IIRC).
Miguel works as a Network Administrator at UNAM, a huge University in Mexico City.
Federico was hired by RHAD, but only after he had done huge amounts work on GNOME on his own time already.
Compile it yourself~!@()!(@)@! (Score:1)
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OpenLook isn't quite dead yet. Unfortunately (Score:1)
? (Score:1)
I like GNOME best, but... (Score:1)
Guess I'll just stick to KDE for a couple weeks for things to die down...
ohh yeah? 486/50... try that! (Score:1)
Why don't more people here belive this? (Score:1)
All the bickering will get us nowhere.
hate the panel (Score:1)
Files!?! (Score:1)
Where did the files go?!? They seem to be missing.. Even on ftp.gnome.org!! Oh well, I'm sure they'll appear soon
Wow, /. can handle a big comment DB well (Score:1)
Struggle is over, Gnome has won! (Score:1)
KDE 1.0 - define slow (Score:1)
I guess I just haven't tasted the speed of a P2 yet...
Cool (Score:1)
Libel? Stupid? (Score:1)
Just a point: none of the statements in this thread (so far) cross the line into libel by US definitions.
As for calling people stupid, I'd think that such an intelligent fellow as yourself could either rise above such name-calling or at least think of something original or entertaining.
In other words, don't be a troll, smeghead.
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Miguel de Icaza a volunteer? - He is, check your.. (Score:1)
What?! (Score:1)
Well.. (Score:1)
Dumb dumb dumb. (Score:1)
To be fair, it's my general thought that once you think a project is completely finished, you should release it (as -final, a la Linus) about a week before you dub it x.0. There are *always* bugs that will only show up when you're ready to move to a new major release - they wait for it, maliciously. Evil bugs. ;)
In any case, if you're going to bash a product for not being ready at a .0 major release, don't limit yourself to GNOME. Otherwise you're showing yourself to be the hypocrate (sp?) that you are.
Why aren't unices user friendly? (Score:1)
Linux has so many possibilities and GNOME is one of them.
Wine and GNOME? (Score:1)
Hopefully, GNOME will make WINE obsolete then all the guys who do such a good job on WINE will be free to work on other projects - GNOME could benefit from such talent as it is the same kind of interface programming.
I haven't tried to upgrade my GNOME lately but I'm definately interested - especially if tremendous speed improvements have been made and configuration details have been ironed out. If WINE runs faster under the newest version of GNOME than previous versions, then count me in!
quibbling continued (Score:1)
nah, they said 1.0 on wednesday.
thanks.. also mirroring on my website (Score:1)
thanks Fizgig. i've copied his *rpms onto my website also. they're available at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~staylor/gnome
i recommend using wget for retrieval (e.g. wget -r -l2 http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~staylor/gnome)
Hopefully the users will decide ... (Score:1)
on technical merits and stability.
GNOME has been a political project from the beginning. Unlike KDE that had the goal to provide an userfriendly desktop to all unixes.
Maybe we will be able to compare Gnome and KDE on their technical merits.
But as this post indicates there will always be people who like to convince others with their beliefs and morals.
I am not surprised the gnomes chose linuxworld for their release. After all we can all learn from Microsoft that marketing is much more important than good programming.
Still congratulations. Nice to have a second desktop ecnvironment.
I hope Gnome will one day have features KDE doesn't have. That way KDE can copy from Gnome as well....
stupid GTK+ question (Score:1)
Exact same way
-W.W.
hate the panel (Score:1)
It really is NOT that huge at 1280x1024!
-W.W.
The last comment! (Score:1)
Sorry, I was hoping for an improvement as well, but unfortunetly it crashes anytime I close a file's property window. Oh well. I tried to set gnome-edit to nedit, but for some retarded reason it opens an xterm before opening nedit...pathetic. The menu editor is REALLY bad this time as well...it crashes all the time, when you do anything. Overall I'd say this was somewhat dissapointing. Some parts of it seem pretty finished, but others are just awful, not even worthy of a 0.2 release.
-W.W.
KDE/Gnome - You must tune the compiling options (Score:1)
what?
P90 w/64M (Score:1)
I used to run KDE 1.0 on a P90 at work with excellent stability. I can only say that KDE got confused once in about 9 months of use. Who knows it may have recovered, but I just killed it.
Also ran KDE on every desk top in the office, about 12 or so. Ran fine, all of them P75 to P133 w/ 32M of RAM.
Wrong assumptions (Score:1)
Computers will never be as easy to use as toasters. And they don't have to be. Clerks, grandmas, and kids know a hell of a lot about computers, and as computers grow more ubiquitous, the level of expertise will also rise. Computers will become easier to use than they are now, but they will always require some skill.
Reading is not an easy task-- yet most people are able to read. I maintain that learning how to use a computer is easier than learning to read. And I can prove it. My daughter could use the computer long before she could read. (Computer: 2.5 years. Books: 5 years.)
Since Gnome allows you to make the best use of your computer (of all the desktops I've used, anyway), I don't see why it can't succeed.
Plus, this isn't an all-or-nothing proposition. And since Corel doesn't even *have* a desktop, I don't see why you bring them up. (They may have one in the future. I wouldn't bet on it. Chances are they will just use KDE.) KDE and Gnome can co-exist with a command-line-only interface, and even with MS-Win2k/99/2001. I don't see why that can't continue.
- Tony
Miguel de Icaza a volunteer? (Score:1)
R2
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Well put.... (Score:1)
Over its history (and possibly still), GNOME stuff has lived in various places depending on when (0.2x vs now) and how (rpm vs tar.gz) it was installed. Does anybody have a script that will search and destroy all obsolete GNOME cruft everywhere?
Craig
still using KDE... and xfce, and wmx, and WM...
C and C++ ....? (Score:1)
If I'm right about this, it would seem to me that adding language bindings to a C++ library would be substantially trickier than to a C library.
Myself, I prefer to work in C++, but de gustibus non est disputandum (except of course that COBOL sucks and RPG is a joke...).
Craig
gnomeui mystery solved (Score:1)
or the piece of code libgnomeui needs doesn't get
built.
Also the intl/ directories in several of the
source tarballs are missing a header file; just
find it in one of the other tarballs and dump
it in...
Craig
5.1 lossage (Score:1)
5.1 lossage (Score:1)
big-ass foot (Score:1)
TedC
Screenshots? (Score:1)
TedC
Hey! Look at this! (Score:1)
Wow (Score:1)
(btw, wheres Ivan, redwolf and bored in an intense discussion like this. At the time of this writing it is an 89% AC crowd. AC's are lame.)
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Thanks (Score:1)
Ahh I still remember the great KDE flame by Bruce Perens. It overloaded Robs little server in a most grotesque fashion.
As far as KDE vs Gnome, I use neither. Although Windowmaker is compliant with both, its perfectly good on its own.
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Now this was fun, wasn't it (Score:1)
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First Reply! (Score:1)
keep it up (Score:1)
last comment! (Score:1)
I'm going to keep trying (Score:1)
WIMP (Score:1)
David The Gnome (Score:1)
Btw, last post.
everyone shut up! (Score:1)
I doubt (Score:1)
when are the debs coming out? (Score:1)
I want (Score:1)
LAST! (Score:1)
last (Score:1)
last post (Score:1)
I want MUI (Score:1)
geek priorities (Score:1)
Not on a P2-266 (Score:1)
GNOME panel _has_ autohide (Score:1)
Adam
exactly.. (Score:1)
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If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed...
Fully LGPL - Untrue. (Score:1)
rpm -qip * |grep GPL |grep -v LGPL
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Size : 479065 License: GPL
Size : 3931709 License: GPL
Size : 424189 License: GPL
Size : 188812 License: GPL
...
I believe that GNOME is trying to follow the FSF philosophy of LGPLing things for which there are many or a common non-free alternative(s), and using the GPL where this isn't the case.
Regards,
Drel
I like GNOME best, but... (Score:1)
That said, there has been a history of what could be called premature announcements on Slashdot, which have overwhelmed the main server for something before the mirrors for the software had a chance to grab it.
does it run with gtk 1.2 or 1.1 ? (Score:1)
I don't see gtk+10 in GNOME 1.0, which tells me something may have changed between GTK+ 1.1.x and GTK+ 1.2 in regards to backwards compatibility, so you may want to do some digging on www.gtk.org.
AFAIK, GTK+ 1.2 can co-exist with GTK+ 1.0; however, you must make sure that you remove any existing development packages from 1.0 before installing 1.2 development packages.
If anyone has a definitive answer on this issue, I'd love to hear it as well!
Mirror (Score:1)
(you're looking for the limit directive).
Drel
Blackbox IS GNOME aware (Score:1)
The latest version (0.50.3) is GNOME aware.
KDE 1.0 (Score:1)
Erm.. Derived from what?? (Score:1)
Ok, maybee they stole the idea of pushing a button, but I'm SURE that buttons are considered common use enough..
Have you ever tried to add a configurable launcher to the taskbar? How about a small application to display data? Resize your taskbar? Have SEVERAL of them on different edges and corners of your screen? Common..
KDE 1.0 (Score:1)
gnome-gen-mimedb crash: solution (Score:1)
You are too a TROLL. (Score:1)
Oh my god! (Score:1)
Let the flames begin...
It's freakin huge (Score:1)
I rather see it like - "wow, I get all this stuff without having to pay for it and it includes the source code".
Btw, with Debian apt will let you download it in a few steps.
1.0.1 is already "out" (Score:1)
The Panel does not Suck! (Score:1)
That's been in there as long as I can remember (before 0.13?)
panel, not pager (Score:1)
QT+kdesupport+kdelibs+kdebase+chump (Score:1)
Anyway, did you read that the person said they were HAPPY with WM and an xterm? Why must you force KDE (or GNOME if you had said that) upon them? If that is what you use and prefer, that is great for you; use it.
But don't try and tell someone, who at least gave GNOME a (small?) chance, that they should use KDE just because it is there. I am sure they have looked into it.
plenty of working code (Score:1)
plenty of working code (Score:1)
I have been running GNOME for almost a year. The commenter said that NO code worked, and this isn't the case since many many people (including me) are using it every day.
Sorry to dissappoint.
Gnome is for sysadmins - not home users (Score:1)
Yes, they do. Usability is discussed all of the time on mailing lists and irc.
Wow, that must of taken a lot of work... (Score:1)
The press release [gnome.org] says so at least. Except for SCO; it might, might not.
Blackbox & Others (Score:1)
Compile it yourself~!@()!(@)@! (Score:1)
Whose idea was this? (Score:1)
I suspect the only thing at 1.0.0 is gnome-libs. Everything else is too flaky still. (in gmc: right-click on a file icon. Select "Properties". Click on "Cancel".) I'm already having enough trouble dealing with people who complain about Gnome's alphaness...
(otoh..most components are almost as stable as the Microsoft equivalents and don't show any sign of ceasing to improve. So it's no less newbie-friendly than Windows and can't do anything but get better..
Daniel
Oh my god! (Score:1)
Daniel
ha... (Score:1)
Daniel
Thank you, thank you, thank you! (Score:1)
(and yes, 1.0.0 often has bugs. But not nearly so blatant as these.)
Daniel
I submitted 15 bug reports (Score:1)
I think I've had 3-4 responses and maybe one of the bugs was fixed. In another case I was told that it was a feature (I still say mixers should read the settings from the sound card when they start up), I was told that a bug against the panel was fixed in CVS (it wasn't--I run CVS--and some other people submitted reports to gnome-list in the last 24 hours. No-one has responded yet). Several of these reports involved crashes from very simple actions: for example, right-click on an icon in gmc, select "Preferences", and click "Cancel". *boom*. segfault. I'd fix it myself but I don't have time to learn how gmc works internally on top of everything else... I also submitted a couple of (very) minor bugfixes. So am I qualified to complain that they're making us all look silly? I'm taking the position that it's just a version number...what they release next month will be the 'real' 1.0.0.
Daniel
Be happy! (Red Hat != Microsoft, Red Hat != GNOME) (Score:1)
Daniel
For all those who say a stable 1.0 is impossible.. (Score:1)
I originally thought this was just a nuisance..but I'm starting to wonder if it could be a catastrophe. What was Miguel thinking??? Can someone explain why he felt he had to rush the 1.0 release? And if you say "RedHat"...you lose. RedHat!=Gnome. (If that is true..why did Debianizing files go into CVS?)
Oh well. Damage control time I guess.
Daniel
Crazy gnome packaging? (Score:1)
By my count, you need the following 'Gnome' packages to have Gnome:
Daniel
Yes, only a bit. (In defense of FVWM) (Score:1)
Where was I? Oh yeah. E doesn't look like Win9x.
Daniel
Oh my god! (Score:1)
Daniel
P166 (Score:1)
Oh my god! (Score:1)
Daniel
Oh my god! (Score:1)
What do you mean about providing a machine to run my PyGtk program on? It's very simple..just pops up a box asking for the package name, severity level, and bug information. Should I be letting people run it as an X client off my machine? I don't get your comment at all.
(btw: I was complaining about the lack of reading as a comparison to Debian's BTS, where I usually get at least an answer within a few days. They get _many_ more bugs.
Daniel