NeoPlanet to Release Gecko-Based Browser 77
An anonymous reader writers "NeoPlanet will tommorow release a beta version of a Gecko-based browser. They plan to release a final version by May. Nice to see the technology see the light of day before the end of the year."
To bad its not for Linux.
Not that bad.. (Score:1)
Netscape 3.0 (Score:1)
NeoPlanet (Score:1)
Now if only it didn't report oddly encrypted data back to the NeoPlanet collective every time you start and quit it...
Enabling Gecko (Score:1)
Viable alternative to Netscape (Score:1)
NeoPlanet's purpose (Score:1)
NeoPlanet is a newbie browser at best. It's designed to package up a whole bunch of links in the browser "shell." That way, the new user can find information in NeoPlanet's playground and view their ads, instead of getting distracted by going to a portal or other search engine.
I have to say that the "toggling" idea is cool, switching from Mozilla to Microsoft on the fly. But I don't understand why they're doing it in the first place...! Most new users wouldn't know what it means, wouldn't understand why you might want to do it, and generally don't care as long as their browser gets them from point A to point B. They already had a solid product. If they wanted it to go faster, they should've just switched to Gecko and left IE out of it.
In the end, I think the folks at NeoPlanet are co-opting the open source "buzz." It's not the first time, and it won't be the last.
But this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Netscape 3.0 (Score:1)
kfm works (Score:1)
Opera is coming soon, but it will be written with Qt.
on the bright side, Qt 2.0 will be free, so silly anti-Qt arguments will hopefully will diminish [unless of course, you just don't like the feel of it].
Not sure where Gecko is (Score:1)
Yes it is (Score:1)
It is only a matter of time before we're going to have complex CSS, especially in controlled environments like Intranets.
Viable alternative to Netscape (Score:1)
A - Stable (ruling out Netscape & Mozilla)
B - Graphical (ruling out Lynx)
C - Doesn't require Qt (ruling out KFM)
Anyone got any ideas?
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Dumb. (Score:1)
If anyone knows the answer, please tell me...
How many versions of the same thing? (Score:1)
Is it just me, or does this seem redundant? Someone really should do a head to head, up to date, comparision of all of these, IMHO. And throw in IE, Grail, and anything else for completeness. Compare what features each one has, the themablity, the plugins avaliable, and the platforms avaliable. Anyone know of a comparison like this?
XML, HTML, ActiveX, Java, Shock Wave, etc etc etc... I still can't get the Real Media plugin for Netscape in Linux to work correctly.
I guess I am just going to stick with Linux/Netscape, because everything else seems to be unstable Beta. Anyone here actually got the GTK-Mozilla to work? Is there a URL for a "Linux web browser comparison (oh yea, kde's browser.. forgot that one).
Mostly, I guess I am still deeply confused to the whole "Mozilla" thing. I thought it was just Netscape Beta, but it seems with all the directions they are going and all the diffrent groups working from "Mozilla Source," I just don't see how they could all result in getting one good browser as the finished project.
Mozilla open source was suppose to increase the speed of development of Netscape. I guess it did for a while, but now it looks like all it's doing is causeing the workers to rip off the source and fragment into thier own projects, which is a bad thing IMHO. Can someone give me a quick review of how closely Mozilla is tied to Netscape now that it's part of AOL, and Sun is an AOL partner? Are they even working together on it (SUN would be the ideal place to optimize the Java environment for a browser, a good thing, and the past shows AOL can screw a browser up really good, a bad thing).
How many versions of the same thing? (Score:1)
GTK-Mozilla is no more. GTK has been adopted as the X front-end for all unix Mozilla ports, has been for awhile.
The ability for people to "rip off the source" is one of the powers of OSS. It's a GOOD THING. And why has it taken so long? Can we say almost a 100% rewrite? Jeez.
Mozilla is the open source netscape browser. Netscape will use Mozilla as a basis for Communicator. Anyone is free to make their own custom Mozilla using the source code, provided they follow the license.
You mean too bad its not for BeOS. (Score:1)
give this up please (Score:1)
http://neoplanet.com/research.htm
NeoPlanet would also like to thank Adam Locke for his contribution to the Mozilla effort. NeoPlanet used Adam's Active-X wrapper for Gecko as the basis for creating the NeoPlanet Active-X wrapper. NeoPlanet plans to post this updated Active-X control to Mozilla.org shortly
Not for Linux??!!?? (Score:1)
Eye candy (Score:1)
"More and more pixels doing less and less work."
How far we've progressed.
Here's the post... (Score:1)
Side-by-side comparison for web developers (Score:1)
Along with switching engines on the fly, it also says it will do a "side-by-side" layout with both engines (i.e. same web page, displayed in both Gecko and IE5). I don't know about you, but that will sure save me some wear-and-tear on the old Alt-Tab key.
Of course, that wouldn't be necessary if browsers actually supported the standards correctly. Gecko is very promising in this direction, especially regarding CSS and the DOM, but IE is an absolute disaster. According to the stats on one of the web sites I administer, about 36% of our visitors are using IE 3 or 4, 31% are using Netscape 3 or 4, and 25% are using AOL 3 or 4 - what a nightmare to have to keep all these in mind when designing the site!
Of course, the day that MS actually adheres to standards, rather than "embracing and extending", is the day I go into floral design.
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Almost perfect, but not quite (Score:1)
Ironic (Score:1)
Ironic (Score:1)
CSS is not a real-world browser test. (Score:1)
This is a common flaw in useability testing - demonstrate your strengths on corner cases. And yes, CSS is a corner case - no popular sites use it or are likely to use it.
A big ol' pile of pants (Score:1)
Seriously, if this is supposed to be a new browser why does it claim to be Internet Exploder?
Someone else mentioned that it could be made to use Netscrape. Whu? Can't find
In short: A pile of pants, big and old. Nothing `Neo' 'cept the name, and it doesn't even work very well (maybe that's due to it being Internet Exploiter with a pretty jacket on???)
NeoPlanet's *Research* purpose (Score:1)
Where's the source? (Score:1)
NeoPlanet's purpose (Score:1)
...but something like that would rawk for development if a platform-neutral way of doing was found.
Of course, many of these cross-browser issues go away once the browsers comply to an HTML spec.
NeoPlanet? No Phanks. (Score:1)
Why doesn't this company put some effort into actually making a competitive BROWSER, instead of making a skin for an older, crappy one? If someone is wanting a new browser experience on the Win32 platform, give Opera a shot. At least they're doing something new - it works better than both IE and Netscape, and trounces them both in standards-compliance.
-lx
The best browser (Score:1)
I wish Microsoft and Netscape didn't get into their original "let's add all this proprietary crap into our browsers" phase as it fragmented the web for a while. I would rather design a single page that functions under both browsers equally well. Gecko's going to set a new standard that will have to be matched by everyone else.
CSS is not a real-world browser test. (Score:1)
IMHO, people *should* be using CSS to design pages instead of embedding all of the font/color/layout stuff in the HTML document. Unfortunately, technology that offers the greatest benefits isn't always the one that gets used in the end.
If you want to see CSS in the real world, take a look at a lot of the big-name sites. You'll find that a large number of them *do* use it for layout (ie: Microsoft, Hotbot, etc..). When the new third- or fourth-generation browsers start taking over, I think you'll see a lot of people dropping support for the old, braindead browsers.
CSS and XML (Score:1)
Where's the source? (Score:1)
Where's the source? (Score:1)
Mozilla must remain free, but if Quicken(tm) wants to use Gecko as their HTML widget, that doesn't mean that they have to give away the source to Quicken(tm), which is what the original poster was implying that Neoplanet had to do. They might have to publish the source code to whatever version of Gecko they used, but *their* code, inasmuch as it is not a part of Gecko but uses it through a well-defined interface, remains their own. Any other arrangement completely obliterates any commercial adoption of Mozilla, and I can assure you that that was not Netscape's intent.
I found a user-developed skin... (Score:1)
I have no idea why NeoPlanet doesn't link user-developed skins. I haven't tried this one. NeoPlanet is not my favorite product, I uninstalled it about 5 minutes after I began to use it.
browsers browsers browsers (Score:1)
Here's the list of browsers I've used:
Netscape 2.x, 3.x, 4.0, 4.5 and Communicator for Linux
Gecko whatever...
IE 3, 4..., 5
Opera (some old version and the most recent one)
StarOffice's integrated browser (ick!)
Neoplanet 1.0...
AOL 4.0
that K thing (briefly)
Crystal Atari Browser through an atari emulator (so, I wasn't actually online)
and some Russian-sounding browser that Sucked
Just downloaded Lynx, haven't used it yet...
Are there any more out there? hehehe
Side-by-side comparison for web developers (Score:1)
It would be great if all of the browsers had perfect 100% compliance with the current standards, kept up to date with the standards, and made sure all the users had the up to date browsers. But that's not going to happen!
I think that many of those sites that serve up different versions to different browswers are trying to treat HTML as a DTP or paintbrush.
WARNING! PROBLEM! STOLEN CODE? (Score:1)
Qt is not viable? (Score:1)
I'd hate to be slumming around in slashdot with a non-viable browser!
Not if you're trying to make a buck. (Score:1)
It's View -> Control Panel
Or F2
Just FYI
Where's the source? (Score:1)
If I'm not mistaken, the NPL also requires that the source code of any derived products be made available. And yet... I don't see code anywhere on their web site. What's up?
A few thoughts... (Score:1)
There will be a wysiwyg xml ui creation tool real soon now my: Xultool [pimpmaster.org]
The reason behind the lack of skins (Score:1)
:)
yea (Score:1)
the matrix? (Score:1)
A few thoughts... (Score:1)
2) I think Mozilla is such a cool technology and this just confirms it (a pity I could never get it to work but).
3) What I really like about Mozilla is the XML based interface design. How long do you think it will be before there are wysiwyg XML editors for customising your Browsers?
Beta is available (Score:1)
Beta is available (Score:1)
NeoPlanet (Score:1)
I hope it proves helpful in understanding precisely what information is shared...
Not if you're trying to make a buck. (Score:1)
We don't put them on our site because we haven't spent a lot of time developing a place for them. We're redesigning the site though, so look for a user-submission are SOON.
Dumb. (Score:1)
We do NOT send users' e-mail addresses to ANY of our partners, and we do NOT collect individual user information. The only way we could have your e-mail address is if you have registered the product and included that information in the form. It is not required to use the browser, though.
If you like, check out our Privacy Statement at:
http://www.neoplanet.com/a_privacy.html
I trust it will prove helpful...
WARNING! PROBLEM! STOLEN CODE? (Score:2)
An ActiveX component that delivers the Gecko rendering engine output was written by me. This component was checked out, and later returned with no code changes as something like "NeoAXCOM.xxx" or something and credited as their work. I am pissed off.
I would GREATLY appreciate it if someone could verify this and the technical details of what he was talking about, because I threw away the e-mail and don't have a copy anymore. But it is about as accurate as I can remember, it is NEEDING CONFIRMATION, and it is allegedly pissing off the author.
Mozilla is coming along extremely well with or without NeoPlanet. It can use all the corporate support it can get, but if this is the kind of poop we can expect from the corporate world, maybe we should remind them to be more responsible and open to their customers and the open source community.
In more entertaining terms, slashdot them to hell and back if it is CONFIRMED they are crassly claiming work they didn't do until we get an adequate response or an apology.
Cheers...
valpohl@hotmail.com
Not sure where Gecko is (Score:2)
On a side note, I do like the interface. It's about time someone made an attempt to make their software look nice. It's almost as good as the customizable interfaces from X (not quite, but it's a nice start). I'm interested to see just what this company is going to produce in the future. Worth a looksee.