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Submitted by cartechboy
cartechboy (2660665) writes "Back in 2010 Toyota and Tesla teamed up to develop electric cars. That partnership gave us the RAV4 EV electric crossover, but it seems as though that will be the only vehicle we see from that deal. The partnership will soon expire and Toyota has no plans to renew it. Why? Because Toyota believes the future is in hydrogen fuel cell cars, not battery electric vehicles. We knew trouble was brewing when the RAV4 EV failed to set the world on fire when it came to the sales floor. Then Toyota and Honda announced plans to debut hydrogen fuel cell vehicles as early as next year. Add it all together and the writing was on the wall. Is Toyota right? Are hydrogen fuel cell cars the future, or is it missing the mark?"
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Is The Future Actually Hydrogen Fuel Cells, Not Electric?

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  • Funny. Funny they keep trying to ignore all the problems with the hydrogen economy.
    First there already is an electric grid, there is no need to build a new hydrogen piping infrastructure.
    Second, what is hydrogen going to be made from ? Not solar or wind, but natural gas, the only other economical process is high temperature nuclear.
    The only advantage of fuel cells is the ability to give the car long range compared to EVs, but I just don't believe the disadvantages will offset the advantages.
    Yes, we'll get f

  • ...they said it was because, they said, hydrogen fuel-cell technology was better and all but ready. Remember the Hy-Wire? Demonstrated in 2002, and promised for showrooms by 2010.

    What? You DON'T remember the Hy-Wire? Funny about that.

    I just don't get it. We're not even close to having good nationwide ubiquitous infrastructure support for pure electric cars yet, and we're going to get that a long time before I can pull up into the corner Mobil and fill 'er up with hydrogen.

  • I think Toyota's problem was trying to introduce the EV in an SUV model. One of the main selling points for most SUV buyers is the percieved greater "utility" for emergencies, hauling, off-roading, etc., but anxieties of EV range/power, whether true or not, oppose that perception of "utility." Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model S are selling just fine, but they aren't trying to compete in the SUV market.

    • No matter how much I mock fuel cells, I wish them the best. Just making a realistic analysis for their odds. Stationary Fuel cells is a very interesting electricity source for data centers, hospitals and other places that require 24x7 electricity, having a LNG fuel cell + large LNG tank can replace a diesel generator while producing cheaper electricity for the customer.

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