Google Releases Desktop Gadgets For Linux 172
mstrom writes "Google announced it has ported its Google Desktop Gadgets platform to Linux, making it the first cross-platform [desktop] gadgets framework.
In a sign that Google is fully embracing the open source model, it admits the product is not feature-complete and has opened up the code base hosted on Google Code 'to give everyone a chance to tinker with the code powering the gadgets.' According to Google: "Gadget support is not just a single feature, but rather an entire platform for miniature applications.'"
Google gadgets? (Score:1, Interesting)
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as in "Oh &google, we salute you!"
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*whoooooooooosh!
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Re:Google gadgets? (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, whatever Google is actually making is not the point here. What is notable here is the fact that they are providing serious application development for the Linux platform. With so many "big name" companies somewhat ignoring the *nix platform, this is a good thing.
With that said, I don't know if you were trolling, but have you tried out Google Gadgets (for Windows presumably)? There is some great stuff there. RSS feed readers, weather, traffic reports, etc. Yes, I agree, none of it is terribly important, and you can always head to a website to get that information, but it's always nice to have that information right at your fingertips. And, just because you don't have a use for something doesn't mean other people don't need it.
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My apologies.
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And, honestly, you could make this argument for any piece of open source software. Why do people make their own? Because they can. One of the best things about OSS.
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There are some widget frameworks for Linux, but they aren't all that stable and there aren't a lot of widgets available for them.
Google's release is a good thing and fills a real need.
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Re:Google gadgets? (Score:4, Insightful)
How much spying on your data, surfing, searches, and miscellany does one need on your computer?
Oh, I forgot. Do no evil.
Mod me down, but it's true.
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Re:Google gadgets? (Score:4, Funny)
It's about time... (Score:5, Insightful)
;o (Score:1)
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It really ought to take a little more to impress you.
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... but is it open source? Yes! Screenshot: http://google-gadgets-for-linux.googlecode.com/svn/images/ggl-standalone.jpg [googlecode.com]
There are many reasons for me to hate Google. Their commitment to Linux and Open Source makes me look past all of them!
Isn't that like a woman saying, "I know he beats me, but he bought me a nice car so I'll stay" ?
It really ought to take a little more to impress you.
Actually, it's more like, "He is the political opposite of me, he pees on the toilet seat and treats our neighbors like shit, but he treats me well and buys me a nice car, so I'll stay."
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... but is it open source? Yes! Screenshot: http://google-gadgets-for-linux.googlecode.com/svn/images/ggl-standalone.jpg [googlecode.com]
There are many reasons for me to hate Google. Their commitment to Linux and Open Source makes me look past all of them!
Isn't that like a woman saying, "I know he beats me, but he bought me a nice car so I'll stay" ?
It really ought to take a little more to impress you.
Actually, it's more like, "He is the political opposite of me, he pees on the toilet seat and treats our neighbors like shit, but he treats me well and buys me a nice car, so I'll stay."
Yeah, but that pretty much describes every relationship, though. I don't know why people don't get urinals installed in their homes...
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No. Not even remotely.
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Isn't that like a woman saying, "I know he beats me, but he bought me a nice car so I'll stay" ?
Sharon Phillips sang it best...
I ain't goin nowhere, baby take off your clothes, I don't mind being slapped, I deserve the blows, You know I speak the truth, ask God, he
What about Opera? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What about Opera? (Score:5, Informative)
*Once Opera Mobile 9.5 ships.
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BTW, Plasma works on all platforms. I've also heard that since 4.1 it can display Mac OS X dashboard applets.
BTW2, what exactly is holding people back from porting eg. gdesklets or superkaramba to the other platforms?
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Konfabulator? (Score:5, Interesting)
Wasn't Konfabulator the first? It supported both Mac and Windows, and was the tool of choice until Apple decided to release the Dashboard.
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Wait, no--your comment is hurting my worship of Google. Please stop.
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Google Gadgets has the advantage that it can use either QT or GTK
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KDE4 (Score:2)
Of course, Apple didn't design them to work cross-platform, though.
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KDE 4.1 (Score:1)
TK (Score:2)
(Plus, Tk is something I'd willingly install on pretty much every platform I have, while KDE is something I don't want on any platform, no matter how much you pay me. But that's a separate issue.)
Gagdets, Widgets, etc. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Granted 90% of the widgets out there are useless, and the other 10% probably have alternatives to them that don't involve running in a widget engine. But the fact that there are other ways to skin the cat doesn't immediately invalidate the way you prefer.
That said, when I'm expecting to do heavy duty work that will probably peg the resourse on my aging computer,
Re:Gagdets, Widgets, etc. (Score:5, Interesting)
For the most part, you get blocks that staticly show one unimportant thing, or tickers. Tickers aren't convenient. You have to wait to see what you are interested in, or actively watch it. If you're going to actively watch it, you might as well visit whatever site the RSS feed is coming from.
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Those being what? The only Linux options I know of are things like KDE and GNOME toolbar applets, things like gkrellm and (my favorite) WindowMaker dockapps. Those aren't any different from "blocks" and "tickers" on other platforms.
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The only Linux options I know of are things like KDE and GNOME toolbar applets, things like gkrellm and (my favorite) WindowMaker dockapps.
Gnome toolbar applets don't really work as "gadgets" or "desklets" in the most accepted sense, since while the toolbar can be set transparent, there is no way to configure it to stay below other windows. It is funny to see this discussion pop up just when a few days ago I posted a lengthy post [gnome.org] in gnomes bugzilla about re-opening a feature request that would make this use of the gnome toolbar possible. Sadly, it doesn't seem to get any attention.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperKaramba [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDesklets [wikipedia.org]
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I don't consider these things "things like gkrellm" at all, I'd rather say they are quite exactly in the class of things that Google now brings to the table, and as such I wonder what more Google has to offer.
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Then again I guess I am not the type to be so concerned with electricity that i also unplug my microwave when not using it, or run a computer so old I have to turn everything off for it to be responsive.
Why is it someone that thinks just because they don't like eye candy, that nobody with a brain should either? I mean if yo
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He was also trying to be funny.
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Re:Gagdets, Widgets, etc. (Score:4, Informative)
Anyhoo, yes, some people do really use them (Yahoo's in my case). While I could perfectly well live without it, I do find having the free space of all my partitions readily visible, along with CPU, harddrive and network usage and some other tidbits to be handy. When I played Eve Online for a bit I also found the Eve skill/training monitor rather nice.
At work I find a world clock widget to be very useful when it comes to keep tracking of the local time at our various offices. Before we changed our presence system I also had a self-created widget that listed the activity and phone numbers of people key to whatever I was working on at the moment.
Sure, all this information is available elsewhere. It's just not as convenient as the always present always updated desktop widgets. It's not for everybody, but it does have its uses.
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No Desktop Icons
No 'Start' Button
Nothing!
My Linux desktop is the same!
Why would I want gadgets that either take up valuable screen space or hide beneath windows?
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Do people really use them? I don't use any of the widgets on my Mac OSX system.
I used to be in the same boat as you. Right up until 10.5, widgets seemed to use up too many resources to make them worthwhile. Since 10.5, however, they are a lot better about being idle in the background, but still coming up quickly enough when desired. I regularly use the white and yellow pages widgets, a widget to track time I put in on various projects, a weather report widget, and a simple timer.
I think widgets are a reflection of improvements in multitasking and resource allocation. Back in the d
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At work I use a resource monitor, calculator, weather, sticky notes, iCal events (which shows my upcoming google calendar events since I sync it with iCal) and calendar all day long. I also use a subset of these on my work laptop and home laptop... but I really use them more at work.
When I first got all these Macs I wondered how much I would really use Dashboard... I
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I guess that is debatable. In my mind they are widgets because of the stupid simple, Web technology development method. Also, if it is considered an application on the phone, but also runs identically as a pop-up widget on your desktop OS, well, is it a widget or not? I guess I don't care so long as they work.
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Weather, including an animated display of the last 6 radar images for my region.
A widget that uses the "rule of three" to find proportional values (very handy for finding dimensions that fit 4:3).
An egg timer.
A clock with the time in New Zealand where my in-laws live.
That's it. That's all I use Dashboard for, but I really can't live without them.
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I did disable dashboard for a while, but left it enabled when I upgraded to Panther. Dashboard is a memory pig, but it's occasionally useful.
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Desktop eyecandy may be pretty and mildly functional but not so helpful if you actually use your computer for something other than recreation.
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bandman@newcastle[503]:~$ ps --user bandman | grep bash | wc -l
21
7th virtual desktop is the first one where I can see the background.
I'm a sysadmin, though, which doesn't count as "normal computer user". Sysadmins define abnormal.
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[Google] admits the product is not feature-complete and has opened up the code base
Since when was "open source" just an excuse for releasing a half-finished product? Google is a multi-million-dollar company. Surely they can afford to pay some programmers and testers to produce a finished product before they release it?
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Google's development methods are quite different than other companies. Many of these beta services and products they release are not something the company is using to make money, but are the individual projects of the engineers. Each engineer gets 20% of their time where they must work on their own thing. A lot of those "things" eventually get tossed out for the public to play with, usually as betas and often as OSS projects. Sure, Google could pay engineers to work on this full time, but it isn't clear that is really going to make them money. Linux on the desktop improvements aren't exactly a goldmine. Rather, I think it is nice they let the engineer donate this code to Linux and let people help him integrate it into Linux.
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I don't know if they'd stick in court, but I suspect that Google's reasoning for releasing this before it's 100% is that they want the community to be able to play with it
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Since when was "open source" just an excuse for releasing a half-finished product? Google is a multi-million-dollar company. Surely they can afford to pay some programmers and testers to produce a finished product before they release it?
Google's development methods are quite different than other companies. Many of these beta services and products they release are not something the company is using to make money, but are the individual projects of the engineers. Each engineer gets 20% of their time where they must work on their own thing. A lot of those "things" eventually get tossed out for the public to play with, usually as betas and often as OSS projects. Sure, Google could pay engineers to work on this full time, but it isn't clear that is really going to make them money. Linux on the desktop improvements aren't exactly a goldmine. Rather, I think it is nice they let the engineer donate this code to Linux and let people help him integrate it into Linux.
Correct me if I'm wrong but..
Gmail, which is still in beta, is someone's personal pet project that Google does NOT make money on?
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You should complain no matter what price (Score:2)
One of the guests shouted out: "I can't eat that!".
"Why?" enquired a troubled hostess.
"This fish is still frozen in the middle."
That was a true tale. The meal was free to "the guest" but he rightly pointed out that it wasn't fit to eat. If I give you something and it's sucky I'd rather you told me.
Summary: You should complain no matter what price you pay, or if something is free-gratis. That means that your benefactor can make a correction if there is some error. Of course that mi
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But that project didn't work out so well, so you're probably right -- it's a bad idea
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Heck, if Google even implied that this was a useful tool, I might agree.
Suppose in another universe, Google waited until it was 100% to release it. Would you rather have it in 6 months, when that happens, or would you rather play with it now?
And since they released it now, it doesn't matter what your answer was to the previous question. If you want to wait until it's done, then wait. If you want to use it now, then use it now.
In other words, st
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It's about the choice. Have it now, and get the ability to be part of the production process, or wait until it's complete and use it then.
Alternately, someone could bitch about how incomplete it is, and how wronged they feel because someone dares release incomplete software to the internet at large.
I imag
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Since when was "open source" just an excuse for releasing a half-finished product?
"Just"? I think you need to RTFCatB [catb.org]. Open source (or Free Software or whatever) has never been "just" an excuse for releasing a half-finished product, but "release early, release often" is one of the open source mantras. Why should they try to make it "feature-complete" (whatever that might happen to mean) before they go out and try to find out what features people actually want?
Surely they can afford to pay some programmers and testers to produce a finished product before they release it?
Hey, if it's not good enough for you in its present state, I'm sure they'll be happy to refund your money in full. In the me
More information required... (Score:1)
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First X-platform? Really? (Score:4, Informative)
So, this Konfabulator thing I've been running for years isn't cross-platform after all? Thanks for clearing that up, Slashdot!
I wonder (Score:2)
Why is this news? (Score:1, Troll)
Apache license 2.0 ftw ;) (Score:3, Informative)
Not sure about licensing (Qt is GPL) (Score:2, Interesting)
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Java 6u10 (beta) came first (Score:3, Interesting)
Sun is trying to revitalize applets. There's no reason a Java applet should be slower than flash, and the language is much more powerful.
Google doesn't really port to linux (Score:2)
If google wants to really commit to linux they'll make real linux programs and not some wine implementation.
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Opera's proprietary (CLOSED) shit
Have you even tried Opera? It indeed is proprietary, but not everything that is closed is shit, and Opera is just one proof of that. They had the biggest innovations in the browsers: First to include tabs, first to include mouse gestures, bookmarks nicknames (it took Firefox to come to its third version to implement this great feature), complete control over the browser with the keyboard, and so on...
it took them years to ditch the advertising
Yes, this is one of the reasons why Opera's market share is low.
now they need to ditch the closed source and open it up.
This has its ups and downs, and one o
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Opera was NOT the first graphical browser to use tabs. To my knowledge it was GNNBrowser (which also went under other names), which I used in 1993-94 on Windows 3.1.
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I use an OS X Widget called "TheDailyGrind" to manage this last one. If you're on OS X or a bleeding edge KDE system it might be worth checking out.
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What is the license of Microsoft's "open source" softwares?
http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/ [google.com]