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Wikileaks Gets Hold of Counterinsurgency Manual
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kdawson
on Wednesday June 18, @08:06AM
from the what-we-learned-in-central-america dept.
from the what-we-learned-in-central-america dept.
HeavensBlade23 writes in to let us know that Wikileaks has published a US Special Forces counterinsurgency manual, titled Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004). "The document, which has been verified, is official US Special Forces doctrine. It directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control and restrictions on labor unions & political parties. It directly advocates warrantless searches, detainment without charge and the suspension of habeas corpus. It directly advocates bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists. And it directly advocates the extensive use of 'psychological operations' (propaganda) to make these and other 'population & resource control' measures more palatable."
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Did any of this need to be confirmed? (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, where are the true believers now? Does anyone seriously think that western governments have any kind of moral credibility?
We wag our fingers at China for their actions in Tibet, but by any measure what they have done there is far more humane than what we have done in Iraq. We lecture Russia about corruption and they simply retort with examples of western corruption.
Who actually believes that our governments have any reason to exist anymore beyond their existence itself?
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Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (Score:5, Insightful)
Otherwise I couldn't agree more, it just sems to be a bunch of rich, cantankerous old killjoys at the top of each country, making up reasons to kill people that are under the influence of another bunch of rich old bastards.
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Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (Score:5, Insightful)
Talk to the average north american, and you'll find out that there are many that would rank you with steretype of the crzzy-type 'conspiracy theorists'.
This is just more example of fascism plain and simple, when business tools government for it's own interests.
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Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (Score:5, Insightful)
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What's really scary... (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, doesn't anyone else find it ironic that those folks are supposed to be fighting for freedom and the American way?
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Re:What's really scary... (Score:5, Insightful)
I didn't realize that censorship, surveillance, union busting, and silencing political parties had become un-American; let me pull out the champagne, this calls for a celebration. Our government has been slowly but steadily stepping it up on all of the above fronts, but in countries like Iraq they just happen to have an advantage: there is no existing legal framework standing in the way, so they are free to re-create society in a manner that suits them.
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Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (Score:5, Insightful)
I am going to read this in more detail, but right now it depresses me that counterinsurgency tactics have fallen so deeply into doing the "glamourous", "badass" stuff and ignoring the repercussions. Current lack of success in Afghanistan and Iraq should have been a wake-up call to how important treating the locals is, how accepting moral limits can reap tactical benefits later on.
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Re:Did any of this need to be confirmed? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey, aren't y'all a bunch of hired killers? Of course they're evil manipulative bastards, that's their job. You didn't really think they were there to spread democracy and peace did you?
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Now that everything that everybody already knew .. (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought the plan was to export democracy, free speech, human rights and other such goodies
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in the end (Score:5, Insightful)
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Figures. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Figures. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Figures. (Score:5, Insightful)
I can see why it might be a shock to some that this document got out, but given that it's for Special Forces then it doesn't really surprise me. Why have your elite forces actually playing by the book when you can fight dirty, be more effective and just blank over it if you're ever asked? That's not to say I condone it, just that it seems like an obvious military tactic when you're working in smaller and elite teams.
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Is anyone actually shocked? (Score:5, Insightful)
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You can't be this naive ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Even beyond the observation that the manual describes nothing but techniques used in war since the dawn of time, I'll observe that it is the insurgents who cynically hide behind an unarmed populace. They make the fundamental decision to deliberately cause civilian casualties when they refuse to abide by the Geneva Convention and fight in uniform, away from civilian population centers.
A uniformed military must counter the insurgents in some way; would you prefer that we burn down the house to kill the bed bugs? What do you suggest? Asking the insurgents nicely to go home? Take a long hard look at places like Somalia or the disaster in Bosnia and then tell me there are realistic options other than the judicious application of force.
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Re:You can't be this naive ... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not saying that Iraqi insurgents are anything like the French Resistance, but explain to me how you would draw the line justifying what happened in WWII and what's going on now.
As far as I can tell, it's simply whoever survives and tells their story that becomes the hero.
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In other words (Score:5, Insightful)
Insurgencies/counterinsurgencies are a fight over the support of a population. The notion, which is implied in the summary, that wars can be fought in an environment devoid of the infrastructure of law and order with an attention to civil niceties that peacetime domestic civilian police forces can't live up to is ridiculous. The population will realize that your side is hamstringing itself while the other side has no such qualms and choose sides accordingly. That is what happened in Iraq for the first year or so of the Iraq insurgency - domestic Sunni and foreign jihadist groups terrorized the population whenever the American flag wasn't around, while the American occupation went around promising new water plants and soccer parks. No wonder the American intelligence gathering efforts were so effective back then - new soccer park vs. we will kill you and every member of your family if you cooperate.
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One important detail (Score:5, Insightful)
So this is not quite "war". This is "we don't like you, so we'll send our guys to blow up your infrastructure". When we do it to "them", we're aiding democracy. When 'they' do it to 'us', it's called terrorism.
Fellows, I'm all for cynicism in war. Most people really don't get the extremes that become routine in real war. But I repeat - this manual will never actually be used in "war". It'll be used against whoever Uncle Sam says is the "enemy"; I think we all know how well that's worked out. (cf Saddam in 1983 vs. 1991, Shah of Iran in 1953 vs 1971, etc..)
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Obvious (Score:5, Insightful)
Chapter 23: Recruiting The Locals
Chapter 1: Know What The Enemy Is Up To
Chapter 15: Maintaining Classified Data
Chapter 15: Maintaining Classified Data
Chapter 8: Building A New Government (new since Iraq mission)
Chapter 2: The Element Of Surprise
Chapter 3: Getting The Locals On Your Side
Honestly, WTF would you think would be in an operations manual? This is standard stuff for every army in the world. I mean, warrantless searches? My mind boggles that anyone would ever suspect otherwise.
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Does anyone... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:War is hell. (Score:5, Insightful)
When we go over there to bring them freedom, we can do whatever the fuck we like because we're the "good guys", right?
Whilst i can see some justification for some of these techniques in an actual war of defence against an aggressive power, you know this shit's going on in our wars of adventure and speculation too.
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Re:War is hell. (Score:5, Insightful)
You aren't fighting a war to be nice. You are fighting to win and to do so you need to do whatever it takes.
How can you win when you don't even have a "proper" war to begin with? There is no end to this "war" (and insurgencies) because it was never begun and the objectives were never clearly identified.
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Re:War is fun! (Score:5, Funny)
Jools, Jops and Stoo, for a start. War has never been so much fun!
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Re:Compare to The Art of War (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Those sound like war tactics (Score:5, Insightful)
No, but if the overthrow [wikipedia.org] of the popularly elected democratic government [wikipedia.org] in Iran way back when is any indication, it does suggest that you can avoid wars by staying out of other people's business. Put another way, getting out of the habit of pissing people off might get you your own lollipop.
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