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Alternative Uses For an Old Satellite Dish? 552

ya really writes "My family has one of those BUDs (Big Ugly Dishes) sitting in their back yard still. The other day they asked me if I would take it apart for them. Aside from simply recycling it, I was wondering if there are any alternatives for its use. It was one of the last made before DirectTV and Dish took over satellite broadcasting, and even has a digital receiver. I'd say it was made around 1996."
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Alternative Uses For an Old Satellite Dish?

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  • Use as... well... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @08:58PM (#24206411)

    Bird Baths...

  • by slifox ( 605302 ) * on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @08:59PM (#24206425)

    Satellite dishes make excellent directional 802.11 antennas.
    Just remove the existing LNB from the dish and replace it with a homemade antenna, like a biquad, tuned for your band-of-interest (i.e. 2.4GHz ISM for wi-fi). Make sure you get a powerful (high RX sensitivity & high TX power) wireless card with an external antenna jack

    Here is one project write-up, though I'm sure there are many others:
    http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-biquad-dish-antenna/ [engadget.com]

    Alternatively, keep the LNB, get a DVB capture card (PCI models go for $20-$80+ new), and use the dish to get FTA (free to air) satellite TV.
    There are many communities for this kind of thing exactly, just search google for: FTA forum

    I'd also take apart that digital receiver and reverse engineer the hardware as much as I could, just for kicks.
    When you've gotten your hour of fun out of it, gut it for parts and move on to the next interesting project.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by unitron ( 5733 )

      Watch out for the power supply in that receiver. It (or at least much of it)is probably not transformer isolated from the wall socket.

    • by parasonic ( 699907 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:27PM (#24206795)
      I began to build one a while back but held off because I didn't know enough DSP at the time...

      And I wanted to write the processing portion :)

      http://www.signalone.com/radioastronomy/telescope/ [signalone.com]
      http://www.radiosky.com/faq.html [radiosky.com]
      http://www.mtmscientific.com/radiotelescope.html [mtmscientific.com]
      http://www.radiotelescopebuilder.com/ [radioteles...uilder.com]

      One of these days, I'll put that 3 meter dish to use.
    • Some lads with a couple of your dishes cracked 125 miles [boingboing.net] during the 2005 Defcon Wi-fi distance shoot out. With your one dish on one end, and even the weakest built-in wifi antenna on the other, you can still create a solid network connection to the next County. If the other antenna is a run of the mill 15 or 24 dB directional wifi, you can really crank.

    • by Technician ( 215283 ) on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @12:32AM (#24208269)

      Satellite dishes make excellent directional 802.11 antennas.
      Just remove the existing LNB from the dish and replace it with a homemade antenna, like a biquad, tuned for your band-of-interest (i.e. 2.4GHz ISM for wi-fi). Make sure you get a powerful (high RX sensitivity & high TX power) wireless card with an external antenna jack

      Me looking at access log and seeing wireless hack attempts... Looks at old C band dish and old microwave oven.. Hmm let's scan for the intruder and see if that laptop likes a KW of focused power in the WiFi band!

    • by Gordonjcp ( 186804 ) on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @02:34AM (#24208993) Homepage

      Since little USB wifi and bluetooth adaptors are so cheap, you could mount one of those at the dish focus. Make a wooden block to hold in, which replaces the LNB.

    • by camperslo ( 704715 ) on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @05:56AM (#24209991)

      Although the reflectors for either C or Ku band dishes would work fine, it should be noted that the FCC regulates the effective radiated power. Check out FCC EIRP (equivalent isotropic radiated power) Limits [seattlewireless.net].

      The reference is an isotropic radiator... like having a point source radiating energy equally in ALL directions (up and down as well as the horizontal plane. A vertically oriented half-wavelength dipole has 2.15 dB gain over an isotropic radiator. If vertical, it radiates equally in all directions horizontally, but drops to nothing straight up and straight down.
      Many have used a dipole as an alternate reference since it the lowest gain and most basic antenna normally constructed.
      The EIRP rating is basically the amount of power it would take fed into an isotropic antenna to equal the signal produced from the gain (focusing effect) of a directional antenna. Some get confused by antenna gain. It doesn't give us more power than a transmitter puts out, it just concentrates the signal in a desired (hopefully!) direction at the expense of other directions.

      The FCC rule differ for point to point versus point to multipoint WiFi. Point to multipoint the limit is 4 Watts effective regardless of antenna gain. (36 dBm, m being mw or milliwatts) A 100 mw card (20dbmw) feeding a 16 dBi gain antenna would produce 36 dbmw EIRP if there was no cable loss. If 3 dB was lost, it would take 200 mw into the cable to compensate (23dbm -3dB + 16dBi = 36

      Point to multipoint starts at the level for a low gain antenna, but only requires a fairly small reduction in transmitter output power as higher antenna gain is used. So the maximum allowable signal does increase quite a bit with higher gain antennas.

      Since things are pretty close to line of sight at 2.4 GHz, a huge dish near the ground (and not pointing up in the sky) isn't likely to do nearly as well as a smaller one up above the clutter. So most C band dishes (usually 2 to 4 meters across) are too big for most situations. Gain is probably best estimated by comparison with commercial dishes of the same diameter and frequency.

      Allowable power is likely different in other countries. Your mileage (kilometerage????) may vary

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by camperslo ( 704715 )

        Whoops.. where I defined EIRP rating, I actually was describing antenna gain (actually 10 * log of the ratio (power needed into isotropic to match directional / power fed into directional) the units are dbi. Transmit power in dbm (db compared to a milliwatt) + antenna gain dbi = EIRP

        dB are a log ratio always comparing something to a reference level. The nice thing about describing it all with logs of ratios is having the end calculations with power, gain and loss become simple adding and subtracting inste

  • wifi antenna? (Score:2, Interesting)

    What about using it or reselling it as a massive point to point wireless antenna?
  • by pwnies ( 1034518 ) * <j@jjcm.org> on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:00PM (#24206431) Homepage Journal
    1. Attach to tin foil hat
    2. Read other people's minds.
    3. ???
    4. Profit!
  • I dunno. (Score:5, Funny)

    by PakProtector ( 115173 ) <cevkiv@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:00PM (#24206433) Journal

    Maybe you could use it to create some sort of device that would beam correct spellings into /. submissions?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by EdIII ( 1114411 ) *

      But Why??

      That would destroy the "habitat" of the Spelling and Grammar Nazi's on ./

      Where would they go? What would they do? They might actually be forced to read articles and post actual content instead of editing the rest.

      Come on, have a heart. If an occassional spelling mistake makes it into ./ which gives their lives meaning, let them have it.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    you could use the dish to setup a amateur radio astronomy listening post.

  • Well. . . (Score:4, Funny)

    by Cait Sidhe ( 1026312 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:00PM (#24206441)
    Nothing quite like a giant pudding bowl?
  • Sled (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:02PM (#24206459)

    This may be a bit redneck, but when I was a kid a friend had one. We took it down and used it as a big saucer sled to pull behind a truck in winter. It was great fun.

    • Re:Sled (Score:4, Funny)

      by Kamokazi ( 1080091 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:20PM (#24206713)
      That's what I was going to suggest...you just made me realize how much of a redneck I am. Or maybe the fact that my 5'1" 70-year-old grandmother shoots groundhogs with a 12 guage through a hole in her screen door should have made me realize it...she also has a glass eye and still manages to hit them...(And scarily, I did not make any of that up.)
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by drew ( 2081 )

        Shouldn't be that hard to hit a groundhog with a 12 gauge, depending on what you're loading it with. Really, all you have to do is point it in the right direction. Impressive, nonetheless...

  • cook dinner ? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Adult film producer ( 866485 ) <van@i2pmail.org> on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:02PM (#24206461)
    or cover it with tinfoil to run a sterling engine??
    • Wok (Score:3, Funny)

      by Nick Driver ( 238034 )

      The one in my neighbor's back yard is made of solid sheet steel, weighs a ton and is about 8 feet in diameter. You could stir-fry enough Chinese food in it to feed the whole neighborhood. Hmmm, might be a good way to get rid of all those pesky feral cats [asianjoke.com] roaming the neighborhood too.

  • Cooking! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:02PM (#24206469)

    Since it's parabolic, you can can, with the addition of some reflectivity, use it to concentrate the powers of the sun [backyardnature.net], suitable for culinary and other low-heat chemistry.

    • Many people have used woks etc as Wifi dishes. Now turn the tables. Use the dish as a huge wok and go for the stir fry world record.
    • Reflecting! (Score:5, Funny)

      by SignOfZeta ( 907092 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:47PM (#24207015) Homepage
      It's parabolic, so if you can drag it inside, make it into an elliptical reflector dish [xkcd.org].
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Cadallin ( 863437 )
      Low heat chemistry and Cooking! Shit! With an efficient design and a dish >1m in diameter, you ought to be able to build a full on solar furnace capable of smelting metal. As in, good enough to reduce AuCl recovered from aqua regia used on computer CPU and circuit boards back into metallic gold.

      It's all about concentration. With an area of 1m^2, you can get nearly a kilowatt, concentrate that down in to an area of 10 or 20 cm^2 and you can do some really impressive stuff.

  • Attach handles... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jblake ( 162981 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:02PM (#24206473) Homepage

    ...and go sledding!

  • by glittalogik ( 837604 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:04PM (#24206493)

    Loud sex [xkcd.org].

  • by Chandon Seldon ( 43083 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:04PM (#24206505) Homepage

    Full size satellite dishes are still the best way to receive free television content, despite what the cable / pay satellite providers may imply in their advertising. If you don't have any place to put it yourself, it shouldn't be too difficult to find someone who would be willing to buy it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by kesuki ( 321456 )

      the new broadcast HD tv signals are directional as well, you might want to hook it up to a HD tv or converter box to see if it's powerful enough to get far off cities.

    • by Dun Malg ( 230075 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @10:47PM (#24207559) Homepage

      Full size satellite dishes are still the best way to receive free television content, despite what the cable / pay satellite providers may imply in their advertising. If you don't have any place to put it yourself, it shouldn't be too difficult to find someone who would be willing to buy it.

      After five years of dissatisfaction with Dish Network, my mother has asked my brother and me to get the big ugly dish that came with the house working. The "$0 for cable channels" thing is pretty enticing.

  • by tetrahedrassface ( 675645 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:05PM (#24206521) Journal
    " I was wondering if there ae any"

    Yes there 'r'. :)

  • keep it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:05PM (#24206527)

    Go over to lyngsat.com [lyngsat.com] and see what you can see. Satellite TV is far more than what the media companies are willing to sell you.

  • DeathStar? (Score:5, Funny)

    by therufus ( 677843 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:06PM (#24206543)

    Either grow a massive hedge in an orb shape and stick this dish in the top section just like the DeathStar from StarWars or just do the same thing (sans hedge) with paper mache.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by EdIII ( 1114411 ) *

      Uhhh, actually... that is a really good idea. Fantastically good.

      Nothing would get you more geek street cred than having your own DeathStar in the front yard. Extra Points if you mount it in a container that allows you to aim at various neighbors with a high powered green laser inside of it.

  • by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) * on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:16PM (#24206625)
    well i overheard a neighbor talking to a friend about how he had harvested a whole bunch of BUDs from his backyard. He just said he was planning on smoking them; I'm not sure what that means but good luck with your search.
  • Radio Telescope (Score:5, Interesting)

    by novadragoon ( 746815 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:17PM (#24206645)
    Some people in the physics dept here at uni, took an old parabolic dish and made a radio telescope with it. Big semester project.
  • Fountain (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mrbcs ( 737902 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:17PM (#24206655)
    I have one of these and my wife wants me to make a fountain out of it. I'm thinking of putting plastic pipe around the outside edge and drilling a bunch of holes that would face the center. Put it on a brick foundation with a place for the storage tank and pump, put some rock in it and it should be pretty cool.

    Will still be a while making it though... I've been a year on an addition to the house and cleaning up the mess that the previous owner left.

  • C band (Score:5, Informative)

    by jonfr ( 888673 ) * on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:21PM (#24206731)

    Get a C band LNB and point to the next C band sat that is out there.

    Plenty of C band channels out there. A good list is here.

    http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html [lyngsat.com]

  • sculpture (Score:5, Funny)

    by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:26PM (#24206783)
    Paint it black, make a giant white-gloved hand reaching out of the ground and tell the neighborhood kids you buried Mickey Mouse [wikimedia.org] in your backyard...fun for the whole family.
  • by wooferhound ( 546132 ) <.moc.dnuohrefoow. .ta. .mit.> on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:32PM (#24206855) Homepage
    Turn it up-side-down and use it fror a roof over a porch swing
    http://www.mountlehmanllamas.com/feeder-sat-dish.html [mountlehmanllamas.com]

    Cover it with aluminum foil and make a solar cooker
    http://www.backyardnature.net/j/solardsh.htm [backyardnature.net]

    Cover it in mirrors and melt/combust an amazing verity of things
    http://www.cockeyed.com/incredible/solardish/dish23.shtml [cockeyed.com]

    Giant Snow sled
    Big Flower planter
    Garage Sale Sign
    Fish Pond
  • convergence (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:33PM (#24206865)

    I say combine two ideas: bird bath and solar death ray.
    Yum, BBQ!

  • TV, Ham radio, etc (Score:5, Informative)

    by n1ywb ( 555767 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:39PM (#24206919) Homepage Journal
    I think the most obvious use would be to receive satellite TV, there's quite a bit of free stuff out there still. One of those fancy new mpeg receivers might be helpful. http://www.tech-faq.com/free-to-air-satellite.shtml [tech-faq.com]

    You could also:

  • thermal collector (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Admin ( 304403 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:40PM (#24206935)

    Yank out the transceiver, put in a heat exchanger in its place. Use sheets of 1/2 " peel and stick mirror tiles to cover the dish surface. Pick up a small 4 sided pyramid, put photocells on all 4 sides, and use a couple of differential op-amps to determine which side has the most light hitting it.
    Use those two signals to run the motor controls to aim the dish. It will always point at the brightest spot in the sky. A small pump feeding fluid (such as connonseed oil) thru the heat exchanger, to a large thermal well( say a buried concrete container full of steel slugs), will gather all the heat you need. Use the secondary loop from the thermal well for your home heating, hot water, cooking. etc. (cottonseed oil will easily heat to 400F)
       

  • Bionic Ear (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Roskolnikov ( 68772 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:41PM (#24206941)

    mount a microphone at its focal point and aim that sucker (carefully) at whatever you would like to hear.

    I also second, third, or whatever the notion of a death ray,
    take a microwave oven apart and get creative with the +10 ray of amana.

  • How about for TV? (Score:3, Informative)

    by forevermore ( 582201 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:43PM (#24206965) Homepage
    C-Band is still in fairly active use in the US and around the world -- you could (gasp!) use it for what it was built for. It's the only way to get truly ala carte TV service, and usually costs a lot less than the alternatives (not to mention all of the free stuff out there). You'd probably need a new receiver to get digital channels, but I've spoken with plenty of MythTV [mythtv.org] users who have C-band setups.
  • Wifi (Score:4, Funny)

    by retro128 ( 318602 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:47PM (#24207003)

    Set up a WiFi link to the moon.

  • Mind Play (Score:5, Funny)

    by Zaffle ( 13798 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @09:52PM (#24207057) Homepage Journal

    Lower the dish so its pointing directly at your neighbours house.
    When they enquire about it; Tell them you can now read their email.
    Refuse to elaborate.

    My shrink's neighbour has a dish pointed at the shrinks office. He says the paranoid delusionals love it. I love it too. Total coincidence.

  • Free TV... (Score:5, Informative)

    by evilviper ( 135110 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @10:11PM (#24207245) Journal

    I wrote about think kind of thing briefly in my journal a while back: http://slashdot.org/~evilviper/journal/189083 [slashdot.org]

    You've already got most everything you need... For the cost of a DVB-S receiver ($40 for a PCI model, $100 for a set-top-box), you can get quite a few free TV channels, in addition to raw feeds and other eccentric stuff. No monthly fees required. That doesn't include most "cable" channels, but much more than you'll get with an antenna.

    Alternatively, if your dish was already fitted with a Ku-band LNBF, you could simply aim it at the DirecTV sat, and get a VERY strong signal, eliminating drop-outs even in the even of airplane flyovers, or extremely heavy rain fade.

    But I would suggest throwing out the DirecTV subscription, and going with the big-ugly-dish you already own, and a 4DTV receiver. It's easily the cheapest way to get subscription channels, probably less than 1/4rd the price of DirecTV or DishNet. Ala carte subscriptions are a big advantage that could save you dramatically.

  • by hAckz0r ( 989977 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @10:13PM (#24207265)
    How much do you want for it?

    I am want to work on a Solar concentrator that will spin a Sterling engine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine [wikipedia.org] which drives an electric generator. Just mount a Stirling engine to the focal point with a reflective surface http://www.sprol.com/?p=265 [sprol.com] that concentrates the heat, and add a sun tracker system to it and you will have free electricity for life! Of course how much power you generate depends on the dish diameter, your geographical location, and the reflective surface you use. In any case a Stirling is more efficient that the current photovoltaic technology we have available today. I would be doing this now except I don't have the "reflective surface" and the required sun tracker hardware in place yet. My tiny little 6" lathe just won't spin a six foot disk no matter how hard I try, and nobody seems to be throwing these big dishes out when I am conveniently available.

  • Uses for a BIG dish. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JWSmythe ( 446288 ) * <jwsmythe@nospam.jwsmythe.com> on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @10:17PM (#24207319) Homepage Journal

    Oh, you have to be kidding me. Someone should take away your Slashdot license. :)

        What would a geek do with a big honkin' parabolic reflector? All kinds of things.

        1) The most obvious, pick up old satellite signals. I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that the C and KU bands are still in use. I used to watch live feeds for various news stations, along with all kinds of weird broadcasting. It was my first exposure to local TV in other areas.

        2) "Free to air". I won't say anything else about that, it's up to you to research.

        3) Listen in on unencrypted government traffic. There was a news story about this a few years ago. Some folks in England were intercepting not-so-secret US Government recon flights over Eastern Europe. (If they were to be really secret, they would have been encrypted and on different satellites). Just because the antenna normally points on one arc, it doesn't mean that's the only things to listen to.

        4) One heck of a 802.11b/g antenna. :) Watch out for the FCC though, that's a lot of gain. You may need to put a finer mesh screen over your existing panels. Check your wavelengths.

        5) Parabolic reflector + big light source (sun) = quick fried lunch. Cover it in mylar, and don't look into it directly. Better yet, don't be in front of it. It's all natural, and doesn't hurt the environment much. :)

        6) Parabolic reflector + microphone = really big parabolic microphone. Since you still have the mylar on from #5, all you have to do is mount the microphone. Well, you may want to use something less optically reflective, like saran wrap, unless you want to risk cooking your $5 microphone. :)

        7) Parabolic reflector + Microwave oven magnetron = trouble. Your 802.11b/g transmitter may have been putting off 0.025W (0.200W if you bought a good card). What happens when you pump 700W+ into the dish? :) How about a dozen magnetrons aimed into a smaller dish at the focal point, to reflect back down into the main dish first? 8.4KW and the gain of your antenna. You could cook your dinner from a few miles away. Don't aim it at friends, enemies, or anything you don't want to mess up pretty quick.

        8) Get another one the same size, cover them both in mylar, and have your own UFO parked in the back yard. Sell the pictures to the National Enquirer, and then sell the UFO on eBay with a signed copy of that edition.

        and on to the boring options.

        9) Scrap metal?

        10) Pull the panels, and you'll have really big snow shoes.

        11) Pull the panels for snow sled racing this winter.

        12) Pull the panels, Cover the convex side with styrofoam and fiberglass, and make some totally rad knee boards.

        Enjoy!

  • Dream (Score:5, Funny)

    by Schemat1c ( 464768 ) on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @10:44PM (#24207531) Homepage

    You could fall asleep in it and broadcast your dreams all over the world.

  • by croftj ( 2359 ) on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @08:43AM (#24210877) Homepage

    Maybe you'll be able to watch tv during rainstorms.

  • by geminidomino ( 614729 ) * on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @09:06AM (#24211123) Journal

    Load it onto the back of a truck, head into the mountains, and recreate the shield-sled scene from Willow.

  • by spikedvodka ( 188722 ) on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @09:16AM (#24211219)

    Coat it with aluminum, polish it, and attach a powerful lamp in place of the reciever.

    aim it at your neighbors and fire it up.

  • Why Alternative?? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by StonyCreekBare ( 540804 ) on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @09:29AM (#24211351) Homepage
    A C-Band dish with a digital receiver has access to more programming, a better signal and lower prices for programming than anything Dish or Direct offer. It even gets HDTV! I have been using one for 8 years, and wouldn'y trade for the little dish product on a bet! Use it as intended!! Much better!
  • Just use it... (Score:3, Informative)

    by pdp1144 ( 599396 ) on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @09:30AM (#24211361)
    I spend less than $100 USD per year and get 4,000 channels off my BUD. Some are digital stations others are analog -- just like cable and other satellite technologies. There also HD options for BUD but I don't have the hardware for that. I am happy with the local HD programing I get from rabbit ears.

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