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NVidia Reportedly Will Exit Chipset Business
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on Sat Aug 02, 2008 04:48 PM
from the and-then-there-were-two dept.
from the and-then-there-were-two dept.
xav_jones sends along a story from X bit Laboratories claiming that NVidia is ready to quit making chipsets. That story links one from DigiTimes, which reports that NVidia has denied that it's getting out of the business. "[NVidia] is about to quit chipset business, which automatically means that the company's much-hyped multi-GPU SLI technology is either in danger or re-considered. Moreover, several mainboard makers have already ceased making high-end NVidia-based mainboards. [NVidia has]... reportedly decided to quit core-logic business to concentrate on development of graphics processors and following failure to secure license to build and sell chipsets compatible with Intel Corp.'s microprocessors that use Quick-Path Interconnect bus."
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arcticstoat writes "Following the media hit that was VIA's Nano processor, VIA says that it's now quitting the motherboard chipset business that used to be its bread and butter product for years. VIA's vice president of corporate marketing in Taiwan, Richard Brown, explained that: 'Intel provides the vast majority of chipsets for its processors and, following its purchase of ATI, AMD is also moving very quickly in the same direction.' VIA will still be developing chipsets for integrated motherboards featuring the Nano CPU, but will no longer produce chipsets for Intel and AMD CPUs. Was this the right decision, and where does this leave other third-party chipset manufacturers such as SiS?" Seems like this is a tough business to stick around in.
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Damn (Score:5, Insightful)
Nvidia released nice overclocking tools, had good BIOS options, nice features (such a firewall built directly into the NIC), etc.
I always buy NForce chipsets.
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nice features (such a firewall built directly into the NIC)
Actually, NAM can be very buggy. My system had never been really stable when it was installed; for example, I wasn't able to install a game without getting a BSOD. Just playing music in Winamp with nothing else open would crash my computer at times as well.
It appears this story is bogus (Score:5, Interesting)
Link [google.com]
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Re:It appears this story is bogus (Score:5, Insightful)
Where the hell did this rumor even start?
It's like IBM stopping all work with Java or Starbucks announcing it will no longer sell baked goods at its stores.
Who even comes up with this stuff? On your mark, get set, castrate the company of your choice...
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Re:It appears this story is bogus (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, to be fair, this is about core logic chipsets (nForce). They aren't exactly core to NVIDIA's business. Besides, given how poorly AMD is fairing in the enthusiast market, the merger of ATI/AMD making NVIDIA an AMD competitor (nForce originally made its splash, and had its "glory days", for AMD), and the desire of Intel to push its own chipsets (which have also been quite good recently, lessening the room for an "enthusiast" class third party) I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see them make this move -- even though they apparently aren't doing it now.
According to Ars [arstechnica.com], the original source was one of the motherboard manufacturers. Aside from NVIDIA themselves, they'd be most likely to know. But again, according to NVIDIA, this is a load of crap.
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Re:It appears this story is bogus (Score:5, Funny)
Apple announced today that it will stop selling actual products and will only sell hype, in pretty packages of course.
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Re:And so, what ?.... (Score:5, Funny)
Apple announced today that it {...} will only sell hype, in pretty packages of course.
I fail to see how this is any different from the current situation. :-P
BeOS lost. Get over it.
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Re:It appears this story is bogus (Score:5, Funny)
It's like IBM stopping all work with Java or Starbucks announcing it will no longer sell baked goods at its stores
or, Slashdot will only post stories after they've been fact-checked.
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Re:If only (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:It appears this story is bogus (Score:5, Interesting)
Let us look at the facts. 1. The inquirer,in a story I submitted over a day ago and is still rotting in pending BTW,reported that a several vendors are dropping the 790i chipset due to data corruption issues. 2. Nvidia has had a bad run of chips lately,and since the 790i boards are being pulled,it looks like that bad run is across the board(no pun intended). 3. Nvidia makes a BUTTLOAD of money from SLI,as there are way too many gamers that like having dual Nvidia monsters if nothing else for the bragging rights. 4. And finally the ONLY way you can go Nvidia SLI is with an Nforce board,which even with the economic downturn is still a VERY popular seller,at least it was last time i looked at the sales numbers.
So I think it is quite safe to say that the article is BS. BTW,if you want to read the inquirer story about the canceled 790i boards and which manufacturers are involved,it is right here [theinquirer.net]. But considering they had to set aside 150 million for repairs and replacements of mobile GPUs,to kill the Nforce which is the only way they can sell two high priced boards to the same customer frankly would be suicide. The last thing they would do is a move like this that would make them look weak after the mobile GPU fiasco. So even if they have come up with some way to add SLI to a single board by some kind of drop in chip most likely they'd wait until the whole mobile GPU mess has blown away. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV
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Re:It appears this story is bogus (Score:5, Informative)
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Nvidia Says: Bullshit; Chipset Business Strong (Score:5, Informative)
Is the correct title to this story. See here [extremetech.com]. "The story on Digitimes is completely groundless. We have no intention of getting out of the chipset business."
"Mercury Research has reported that the Nvidia market share of AMD platforms in Q2'08 was 60%," Del Rizzo said. "We have been steady in this range for over two years."
"We're looking forward to bring new and very exciting MCP products to the market for both AMD and Intel platforms," Del Rizzo added.
Ars Technia says this isn't true... (Score:5, Informative)
Dubious at best. (Score:5, Insightful)
Nforce was great (Score:4, Interesting)
I really like the Nforce chipset.
In my experience they have always been stable and well supported.
Where does this leave us AMD users... I'm still not quite the fan of the AMD chipsets as they haven't been around long enough... all of the "performance" boards were Nvidia based. My current board has an Nforce 570.
How does the AMD 780 compare? Anyone?
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Don't have a 780 chipset myself, I have a 790, but I figure this ought to be just as relevant. I felt the same way when I built my latest machine back in February. I didn't want to go with an AMD chipset and ATI cards. I've been an ardent AMD fan for CPUs, but for the last two builds, I went from ATI to nVidia for graphics...
Of course, when I looked into it, it turned out that the latest ATI offerings beat the pants off of nVidia's, and the new CrossfireX SLI system looked like they took nVidia SLI, and
Ties between chipset and CPU (Score:3, Interesting)
Although this story seems groundless, it does look like the ties between CPU and chip set are getting stronger. This seems to be one of the reasons for ATI to be taken over by AMD. Intel was already creating its own chip sets and has a monopoly on defining an interface between the two. This is an interesting relationship since it would seem that the CPU is only part of the machine nowadays. I'm expecting that this relationship will turn around somewhere in the distant future.
With Intel it was always hard to sell your own chip set against theirs (for the desktop market). Now it will get harder with AMD as well, since they have the ATI chip sets to think about. It would be strange if there would not be some casualties. Hopefully nVidia is big enough to keep some chip sets around for some time. VIA has already given up, I hope their gamble on the embedded market pays off, although they will have pretty strong competition there as well.
Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (Score:5, Interesting)
Notice the odd one out? What do you think the logical long-term plan should be, if you were nVidia?
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Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (Score:4, Interesting)
Via CPUs are crap, VIA chipsets are extra crap, and VIA video blows chunks.
nVidia have stuck to the things they do well.
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The right thing to do... (Score:4, Insightful)
I was never happy that nVidia got into the chipset business in the first place. If any company has a talent to specialize and do one thing really really well (in a competitive environment), then that is what they should continue to concetrate on. nVidia seems to have talented people who can ultimately bring us photorealistic graphics at high performance for our games, as well as other engineering, and creative needs. I really frown on companies that water down their core business by diversifying into areas which they shouldn't be messing about in.
This kind of thing seems to happen quite often and in other ways. For example, John Carmack seemed to really have a talent in producing great engines for games on the bleeding edge of what is possible with new PC technology. John drove PC gaming technology. But what does John do? John goes off to create rockets. And then he journeys off to work on pocket devices, which are basically PCs from 1995 running Win31 with 16 bit graphics. ;( John has allowed Crytek and other engine creators to walk all over id software. (Or maybe John and his company never really were that great to begin with?)
The whole nVidia chipset fiasco is what brought about the feud between Intel and nVidia so that we, the consumers, could not buy a Intel motherboard chipsets with nVidia SLI graphics. Shame.
Focus! Focus! You will never be great at something unless you do it well and are the best at it. A jack-of-all-trades rambling about between different technologies will not make you great, or competitive.
Re:The right thing to do... (Score:4, Interesting)
Simple: resources put to developing the chipsets are resources that are not being put to developing GPUs. I work for a company that up until a year and a half or so ago had a single product, which had then and has now the largest market share among vendors in that market. Then we launched a new product in a complementary market sector in which there is a dominant player. Sure, we hired new staff to work on this product and it has gained considerable traction in the last nine months and the dominant player in that market is probably starting to sweat :) However, some staff from our existing product line also moved onto that new product line and while development has continued on our core product and new features continue to be released and we continue to be number one in that market, we could have done more, faster if we were focusing on a single product line.
That doesn't mean nv was wrong to get into the chipset business. Certainly, my employer was not wrong to enter the complementary market sector we entered. Sales are going very well and there are great cross-sell opportunities between our two product lines. I can see us becoming the dominant player in this new market. However, that doesn't mean that entering a new market will not have an effect on your existing products, especially in the short term. I assure you it does.
The problem nv has in the chipset market, as I see it, is that they entered a very crowded market with a dominant player (Intel), which didn't really need another player, and they put themselves in direct competition with Intel, something they weren't when they only made GPUs. It got more complicated when AMD bought ATI, since that also put them in direct competition with AMD. If nv were to exit the chipset business they could make nice with Intel as a hedge against AMD. Thus, exiting the chipset business, even if they are profitable in it, could make business sense.
Sure, they deny it. Of course, a lot of these sorts of denied stories later turn out to mostly or wholly true. Time will tell, but I shan't be surprised if we see an announcement from nv in 3 months that they are leaving the chipset business. Who knows? They might even be able to sell some of their IP to Intel and recover some of their initial investment.
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The word in the silicon valley... (Score:4, Interesting)
...is that NVidia is working on an Intel-compatible CPU.
My speculation:
They're probably shuffling resources internally, Their chipset designers might be working on the chipset to interface with their CPU.
You haven't heard this from me ;)
In Other Random Speculation... (Score:4, Funny)
Slashdot Founder CmdrTaco reportedly plans to shut down the popular Slashdot web destination. "People forget my website was once largely just a portal for enlightenment themes. The purpose of Slashdot is to report on news that matters."
Slashdot will be replaced with a new web portal, OMGPonies which will focus on over reacting to all pony news that someone might have remembered reading on 4chan.
CmdrTaco has asked that the community assist him by submitting stories and drawings in the idiom of a otatu-catgirl and jacked up on pocky. We were unable to substantiate the rumor that the site will feature bedazzler fan art of Hannah Montana, despite CmdrTaco's legendary collection.
(Man, I'm just picking on that guy today!)
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