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Middle aged would-be F/OSS hacker. Emacs, Python, C++ preferred. Gentoo by choice, Windows in chains.

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Is George Friedman a Right-Wing Noam Chomsky?

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Wednesday August 20, @07:45PM
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http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/stratfor-3/

As Russia regained its balance from the chaos of the 1990s, it began to see the American and European presence in a less benign light. It was not clear to the Russians that the United States was trying to stabilize the region. Rather, it appeared to the Russians that the United States was trying to take advantage of Russian weakness to impose a new politico-military reality in which Russia was to be surrounded with nations controlled by the United States and its military system, NATO. In spite of the promise made by Bill Clinton that NATO would not expand into the former Soviet Union, the three Baltic states were admitted. The promise was not addressed. NATO was expanded because it could and Russia could do nothing about it.
From the Russian point of view, the strategic break point was Ukraine. When the Orange Revolution came to Ukraine, the American and European impression was that this was a spontaneous democratic rising. The Russian perception was that it was a well-financed CIA operation to foment an anti-Russian and pro-American uprising in Ukraine. When the United States quickly began discussing the inclusion of Ukraine in NATO, the Russians came to the conclusion that the United States intended to surround and crush the Russian Federation. In their view, if NATO expanded into Ukraine, the Western military alliance would place Russia in a strategically untenable position. Russia would be indefensible. The American response was that it had no intention of threatening Russia. The Russian question was returned: Then why are you trying to take control of Ukraine? What other purpose would you have? The United States dismissed these Russian concerns as absurd. The Russians, not regarding them as absurd at all, began planning on the assumption of a hostile United States.

Even when I somewhat agree with a writer, anyone serving their analysis like a mathematical proof is suspect. Reality is not that simple. For example, why not at least put for a show of NATO cooperation beyond their existing liason?

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    • You really tickle my Stockholm Syndrome. Thank you for the abuse. Happy to help you shunt all of those mod points to ground, rather than doing something constructive with them.
      Your coolness makes the Arctic seem the Sahara.
      Best regards,
      C.
    • Why not login so we may peruse your gems you offer then? Slashdot is an open discussion forum, not just a plain cussin' forum.

      • I posted a story "Putin' the Boot to Vladimir's Wallet" on Wednesday August 20, @08:56PM, linking http://www.revokethegames.com/index.php [revokethegames.com], and got summarily mod-bombed and dirty-noted. If you can figure out the firehose system, a) bump the story up, anb b) explain the interface to me.
        • oh well, stuff happens. I seem to annoy some quarters now and then too. I think if they allowed china to host games, I don't have a problem with russia hosting the games either then. Russia isn't really hurting the US economy, china *is* and they both have past histories of being genocidal types on a national basis. As to the ossetia deal, wheels within engimas, but russia has been annoyed with what they see as circling nato threats when we promised to not do that way back. The US and nato apparently abroga

          • Stuff does happen, but, as a taste of what it might be like to live in a more totalitarian regime, I'm unimpressed with Russia and hope that the world firmly encourages better behavior than this.
            • What you say is true but we could do away with the trade with Russia the easiest I think outside of a few chunks of strategic metals that we really need (and why we should have gone into the congo and not outright given it to the chinese by inaction on our part).(also likely to happen now that cold war 2 is on).

              Anyway, my default position now is the economy is well and truly "with child", so I am taking appropriate mitigation steps as I can. I think it is way too late to "solve" and having the same guys who

              • The economy is truly baked. People have run up debt and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth until the debt is paid down.
                The drunkard needs to face the hangover and the withdrawal symptoms.
                Trouble is, the collective 'we' never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity to behave responsibly.
  • I'm all aboard with that analysis - see also the gas pipeline story that pushes Georgia to the top of the pile.

    Also look at the view of NATO from the POV of an intelligent, German commentor:
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2008/08/if-the-russians.html [moonofalabama.org]

    • I posted a story "Putin' the Boot to Vladimir's Wallet" on Wednesday August 20, @08:56PM, linking http://www.revokethegames.com/index.php [revokethegames.com] [revokethegames.com], and got summarily mod-bombed and dirty-noted. If you can figure out the firehose system, a) bump the story up, anb b) explain the interface to me.
  • looking for a good guy in all this. There just doesn't seem to be one. Not then, not now, not ever.

    • I posted a story "Putin' the Boot to Vladimir's Wallet" on Wednesday August 20, @08:56PM, linking http://www.revokethegames.com/index.php [revokethegames.com] [revokethegames.com], and got summarily mod-bombed and dirty-noted. If you can figure out the firehose system, a) bump the story up, anb b) explain the interface to me.

      I wouldn't accuse Georgia of being perfect, nor US foreign policy, either, but this very tiny brush with someone appearing to be a Russian sympathizer excites me not at all.
      • Pirates are pirates. You don't see me sympathizing with any of them. What I'm seeing is that those that don't jump up on the wagon with the Americans are like those who don't give unconditional praise to Israel, and are labeled as anti-semetic, side with the "terrorists", and now are "Russian sympathizers" for it? Betcha Napoleon was saying the same thing to his detractors... So, just like in prison, we have to pick sides, huh? Bloods or Crips, Sinaloa or Tijuana, Exxon or Lukoil, who's is going to be? Pick

      • Well, Since I do believe that the Olympics shouldn't be held in aggressive countries, which would really mean they should be all but canceled entirely...Ok maybe Finland, or Iceland, Denmark? Holland?(only for the weed) I went and gave it an "interesting" mod. Doubt if it helped. It's been downmodded pretty heavy. You can tell by the color. And let's be honest. It is very one sided. But that's neither here nor there. This response is supposed to be about the interface. Hover over the plus and minus buttons

        • Thanks. It is a one-sided affair, not unlike the conflict.
          Not holding the Olympics in aggressive countries is an interesting point.
          It brings in the usual "Who gets to control the definition?" question.
          Carried to its logical conclusion, the Olympics would devolve into a giant pissing contest, and we all lose.
          • It brings in the usual "Who gets to control the definition?" question.

            This crap goes back thousands of years. Aren't the historians still fighting over started it? Only one way to decide, heads or tails?

            • No, I think that it isn't hard to figure out which culture has had a worse negative effect on the people living in its region.
              You can certainly bring up treatment of Africans and Native Americans if you want to ride the ol' moral equivalency Rocinante (yawn), but the Native Americans are casino owners, and blacks are competitive at every level of the US government.
              How many non-KGB-affiliated ethnic Russians are in power over there, hmmm?
              The Russians have an extended, bloody history of brutal thuggery, a