Here's what President un-elect Trump said in the video he tweeted, then later removed:
-- I know your pain. I know youâ(TM)re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side.
But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We donâ(TM)t want anybody hurt. Itâ(TM)s a very tough period of time, thereâ(TM)s never been a time like
"These are things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"
This is batshit insane, to the point the guy deserves to be 25th-ed. A MAGA mob invaded the Capitol today, and someone died.
It gets even better. His plastic daughter tweeted out that the terrorists were patriots [ibtimes.com], then deleted the tweet, later saying she meant "peaceful" terrorists were patriots.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
Indeed. Good for you. There is a line when it does not become about Democrat or Republican but it becomes about the future of the country. Trump is way over that line.
Unlike many, I decided long ago, that the opposition isn't the enemy. They simply believe their way is the best for the country. I prefer to discuss issues rather than party, because I don't always follow party lines. Just as I hoped Obama would do well, I hope Joe does too. I just don't think he will.
I have reservations too; but at the very least, I trust him not to be a malicious fucking ghoul toeing the line of just how much state power is acceptable to wield against people who piss you off; and that is enough of an improvement for me to feel better about... well, everything.
A view that seems to be growing less common now. It started out on biased news sites, but the rhetoric is coming from Republican campaigns and the representatives themselves now: All democrats are now being labeled as 'radical lefists,' Marxists and Socialists.
You are lucky. Apparently you have not been put at risk by the opposition's policies, taking away vital healthcare, trying to take control of your bodily autonomy, militarizing the police against you etc.
Unfortunately that's the reality for a lot of Americans. If the other lot get into power their lives are on the line. It's deadly serious, not just a political disagreement.
The bar is set so low by your beloved Republicans that I am sure Biden will do well by that measure. So sick of people complaining about democrats on the day after a significant number of republicans cheered an attack on congress.
At some point, the election demagoguery needs to end and the governing needs to begin.
That never happened in the last 4 years. Hopefully recent events spawn a sudden outbreak of common sense and these asshole enablers in the Congress (I'm looking at you, Ted Cruz, you mewing little lap dog bootlicking appeaser) see what they've been building and pull back from it.
A view that seems to be growing less common now. It started out on biased news sites, but the rhetoric is coming from Republican campaigns and the representatives themselves now: All democrats are now being labeled as 'radical lefists,' Marxists and Socialists.
The question is whether they do not understand what they are doing or whether they want to see the country burn. They just got a tiny taste of what that may be like.
While the ACA got millions insured. The only people who've lost are middle class who make too much to qualify for help, and can't afford the high premiums on their own. For the first time ever, I considered dumping my company sponsored retiree insurance because the cost and deductibles have gotten to the point where I really only want insurance against catastrophic events. Between just my wife and I, our insurance is over $20k/year, and rising at an unsustainable rate...especially when you're on a fixed
It's deadly serious, not just a political disagreement.
It is a political disagreement. What we need to stop is the idea that being "political" somehow makes it OK. Some people's political opinion is that I ought to be killed and if they attempt to implement it they will do so with politics.
Politics isn't a free pass and some people will do great evil with it.
Or they just see the political advantage. They've discovered some words of power which, when spoken, direct a torrent of anger at their opponents - and thus raise the turn-out rate among their own supporters.
No-one needs to actually know what the words mean. They mean un-American and dangerous, and that's all that is needed.
The bar is set so low by your beloved Republicans that I am sure Biden will do well by that measure. So sick of people complaining about democrats on the day after a significant number of republicans cheered an attack on congress.
First of all, let me flat out denounce what was done at Capital Hill. I hope rioters go to jail, and anyone who supports them can fuck off.
As for complaining about democrats the day after, well you just tossed that in for no apparent reason since I did no such thing. Less hate, and more discussion of issues is the way we need to move forward.
There is literally no such thing as a fake impeachment.
The Russian situation was far from fake as well. The fear that there was collusion with the Russians is, in the end, unclear; but there were *heaps* of circumstantial evidence found.
I'm not blind. You just have no fucking idea how your Government works statutorily and constitutionally.
To the contrary, it's because I know where babies come from that I understand it doesn't kill a human being.
In any case if you want to make that argument then it should extend to adult humans as well, i.e. if your body is required to sustain someone else's life for the next 9 months you should have no choice in the matter because to do otherwise would be killing them. Say they needed a transplant but could be hooked into your bloodstream while on the waiting list, but you didn't want to be tethered to them.
it should be that way every single time and vote for the correct person for the job, its not a sporting event where you support your team regardless of their competency.
how do you feel about the revelations that Reagan delayed the release of hostages for political gain? IIRC the last of the files got declassified this year (with everything going on it was barely a blip) and they've made it a matter of historic fact that Reagan did it. Though we've known since 2011.
My loyalty always has been, and never to party. In fact, I'm primarily a fiscal conservative, and disagree with the R platform on many social issues. I've long argued against people who call others RINO/DINO because it's an attempt to turn people into mindless drones who refuse to stand up for their own beliefs. We should all be talking about issues, not parties.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
It's pretty amazing that it took them this long.
It is. But they are waking up now and begin to see what they have been a part of. They will have to do a lot of house-cleaning though.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
It's pretty amazing that it took them this long.
It is. But they are waking up now and begin to see what they have been a part of. They will have to do a lot of house-cleaning though.
No amount of house clearing will help the GOP now, Trump can be the sand in their eyes and the stink at their table from now on if he wants to. All Trump has to do is command the fanatical loyalty of 15% of the Republican voter base and the Republicans will have to kowtow to him and kiss his feet to win any election.
No amount of house clearing will help the GOP now, Trump can be the sand in their eyes and the stink at their table from now on if he wants to. All Trump has to do is command the fanatical loyalty of 15% of the Republican voter base and the Republicans will have to kowtow to him and kiss his feet to win any election.
They might just decide that it is better to clean this up for 8 or 12 years and then having a chance to win elections again. Also these 15% may well make far more of their other voters turn away in disgust.
I don't think it is that easy. In a simplistic sense, there are 40% Ds, 40% Rs, and 20% independents (at the national level - deep red states are probably 95%R, 4%D, 1%I or less). Ds and Rs both have their extremist wings. For the D's is the Bernie Bros. For the R's it's white nationals. Often the extreme wings don't vote - the mainstream candidates just don't throw enough red meat their way (Trump brought these guys to the table in a big way). So each party ends up in the 30% bucket or so, but you've
No amount of house clearing will help the GOP now, Trump can be the sand in their eyes and the stink at their table from now on if he wants to. All Trump has to do is command the fanatical loyalty of 15% of the Republican voter base and the Republicans will have to kowtow to him and kiss his feet to win any election.
There's one thing they can do: fast track impeachment and conviction. They can then declare Trump disqualified from holding further federal office. Or, if they invoke the 25th Amendment, hard to come back from that as well: a lot of people wouldn't support someone who was removed due to being unfit.
Maybe what the GOP needs to do, is change their rules to make DJT ineligible to run again as a Republican. Then he and his whackjob supporters can form a third party and self-marginalize. The GOP can go back to running moderate conservatives - they might even attract some moderate Dems that are tired of the antics of their party's "progressive" wing.
Even if Congress manages to pull off an Impeachment and conviction, it isn't at all clear that cout disqualify DJT from running in 2024. Article 3 says imoeachm
Hmm radical white supremacists versus "radical" health care that matches all other rich countries with more successful systems. I wonder which is more "radical."
The confederacy lost and is morally indefensible. A third of America has to get over this, they are hurting everyone including themselves.
It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their snake pit
FTFY. Mitchs speech last knight was priceless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] . He's basically the architect behind obstructionism [wikipedia.org] but now he pretends to be surprised and appalled by it.
I bet that man hates Trump more than anyone. But he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. US politics is polarized and abhors a traitor, so he has to play ball with Trump. It's totally self serving and precisely what you don't want in a leader, but it's how you stay in power.
Now Trump is on his way out, and has finally gone far enough McConnell can publicly break with him and possibly even win points.
That was toady glee you saw on his face in that speech.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
Remember the names of those that still decided to contest the electors from Arizona and Pennsylvania:
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
Not sure the Republican establisment (or anyone else) knew it at the time, but, once Trump began his run for the nomination,.the only way the Republicans can win the 2016 election is if Trump wins the nomination. I suspect no other Republican candidate could have beaten Clinton, as a defeated Trump would have reacted to losing the Republican nomination the same way he handled losing the presidency in 2020. The steady stream of Trump loudly and constantly blaming his loss on a rigged primary,
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
Anyone black doing it would be in a grave.
It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact
If the past four years, and every prior moment of Trump's life didn't wake someone up, Wednesday wouldn't either. What we're seeing in that guise is some recalculation of what actions and statements they believe maximize their psychopathic egos' futures.
they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
There are no poisonous snakes.
In seeking the unattainable, simplicity only gets in the way.
-- Epigrams in Programming, ACM SIGPLAN Sept. 1982
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Here's what President un-elect Trump said in the video he tweeted, then later removed:
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I know your pain. I know youâ(TM)re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side.
But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We donâ(TM)t want anybody hurt. Itâ(TM)s a very tough period of time, thereâ(TM)s never been a time like
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And, just a while later:
"These are things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"
This is batshit insane, to the point the guy deserves to be 25th-ed. A MAGA mob invaded the Capitol today, and someone died.
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It gets even better. His plastic daughter tweeted out that the terrorists were patriots [ibtimes.com], then deleted the tweet, later saying she meant "peaceful" terrorists were patriots.
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Holy shit.
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Holy shit.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
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As a life long R voter (since '76), I didn't vote that way in '16 for the first time ever. The man is a loon.
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Indeed. Good for you. There is a line when it does not become about Democrat or Republican but it becomes about the future of the country. Trump is way over that line.
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Unlike many, I decided long ago, that the opposition isn't the enemy. They simply believe their way is the best for the country. I prefer to discuss issues rather than party, because I don't always follow party lines. Just as I hoped Obama would do well, I hope Joe does too. I just don't think he will.
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I hope Joe does too. I just don't think he will.
I have reservations too; but at the very least, I trust him not to be a malicious fucking ghoul toeing the line of just how much state power is acceptable to wield against people who piss you off; and that is enough of an improvement for me to feel better about... well, everything.
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A view that seems to be growing less common now. It started out on biased news sites, but the rhetoric is coming from Republican campaigns and the representatives themselves now: All democrats are now being labeled as 'radical lefists,' Marxists and Socialists.
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You are lucky. Apparently you have not been put at risk by the opposition's policies, taking away vital healthcare, trying to take control of your bodily autonomy, militarizing the police against you etc.
Unfortunately that's the reality for a lot of Americans. If the other lot get into power their lives are on the line. It's deadly serious, not just a political disagreement.
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At some point, the election demagoguery needs to end and the governing needs to begin.
That never happened in the last 4 years. Hopefully recent events spawn a sudden outbreak of common sense and these asshole enablers in the Congress (I'm looking at you, Ted Cruz, you mewing little lap dog bootlicking appeaser) see what they've been building and pull back from it.
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A view that seems to be growing less common now. It started out on biased news sites, but the rhetoric is coming from Republican campaigns and the representatives themselves now: All democrats are now being labeled as 'radical lefists,' Marxists and Socialists.
The question is whether they do not understand what they are doing or whether they want to see the country burn. They just got a tiny taste of what that may be like.
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taking away vital healthcare
While the ACA got millions insured. The only people who've lost are middle class who make too much to qualify for help, and can't afford the high premiums on their own. For the first time ever, I considered dumping my company sponsored retiree insurance because the cost and deductibles have gotten to the point where I really only want insurance against catastrophic events. Between just my wife and I, our insurance is over $20k/year, and rising at an unsustainable rate...especially when you're on a fixed
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It's deadly serious, not just a political disagreement.
It is a political disagreement. What we need to stop is the idea that being "political" somehow makes it OK. Some people's political opinion is that I ought to be killed and if they attempt to implement it they will do so with politics.
Politics isn't a free pass and some people will do great evil with it.
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Or they just see the political advantage. They've discovered some words of power which, when spoken, direct a torrent of anger at their opponents - and thus raise the turn-out rate among their own supporters.
No-one needs to actually know what the words mean. They mean un-American and dangerous, and that's all that is needed.
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The bar is set so low by your beloved Republicans that I am sure Biden will do well by that measure. So sick of people complaining about democrats on the day after a significant number of republicans cheered an attack on congress.
First of all, let me flat out denounce what was done at Capital Hill. I hope rioters go to jail, and anyone who supports them can fuck off.
As for complaining about democrats the day after, well you just tossed that in for no apparent reason since I did no such thing. Less hate, and more discussion of issues is the way we need to move forward.
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The Russian situation was far from fake as well. The fear that there was collusion with the Russians is, in the end, unclear; but there were *heaps* of circumstantial evidence found.
I'm not blind. You just have no fucking idea how your Government works statutorily and constitutionally.
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If you don't know that abortion kills a different human body inside someone, you don't know where babies come from.
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To the contrary, it's because I know where babies come from that I understand it doesn't kill a human being.
In any case if you want to make that argument then it should extend to adult humans as well, i.e. if your body is required to sustain someone else's life for the next 9 months you should have no choice in the matter because to do otherwise would be killing them. Say they needed a transplant but could be hooked into your bloodstream while on the waiting list, but you didn't want to be tethered to them.
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Well said.
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As a life long R voter (since '76), I didn't vote that way in '16 for the first time ever. The man is a loon.
I went Johnson/Weld in 2016 for the same reason.
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As a life long R voter (since '76), I didn't vote that way in '16 for the first time ever. The man is a loon.
I went Johnson/Weld in 2016 for the same reason.
I went Johnson in 16. I went Biden in 20, because I knew what would happen if Trump remained president. Biden barely won my state.
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Pick a president, and I'm sure I can point to a scandal. If you think either side has clean hands, you're wearing blinders.
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Not even sure what that means. But, FWIW, I also voted for the D governor of my state this cycle.
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My loyalty always has been, and never to party. In fact, I'm primarily a fiscal conservative, and disagree with the R platform on many social issues. I've long argued against people who call others RINO/DINO because it's an attempt to turn people into mindless drones who refuse to stand up for their own beliefs. We should all be talking about issues, not parties.
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Holy shit.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
It's pretty amazing that it took them this long.
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Holy shit.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
It's pretty amazing that it took them this long.
It is. But they are waking up now and begin to see what they have been a part of. They will have to do a lot of house-cleaning though.
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Holy shit.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
It's pretty amazing that it took them this long.
It is. But they are waking up now and begin to see what they have been a part of. They will have to do a lot of house-cleaning though.
No amount of house clearing will help the GOP now, Trump can be the sand in their eyes and the stink at their table from now on if he wants to. All Trump has to do is command the fanatical loyalty of 15% of the Republican voter base and the Republicans will have to kowtow to him and kiss his feet to win any election.
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No amount of house clearing will help the GOP now, Trump can be the sand in their eyes and the stink at their table from now on if he wants to. All Trump has to do is command the fanatical loyalty of 15% of the Republican voter base and the Republicans will have to kowtow to him and kiss his feet to win any election.
They might just decide that it is better to clean this up for 8 or 12 years and then having a chance to win elections again. Also these 15% may well make far more of their other voters turn away in disgust.
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No amount of house clearing will help the GOP now, Trump can be the sand in their eyes and the stink at their table from now on if he wants to. All Trump has to do is command the fanatical loyalty of 15% of the Republican voter base and the Republicans will have to kowtow to him and kiss his feet to win any election.
There's one thing they can do: fast track impeachment and conviction. They can then declare Trump disqualified from holding further federal office. Or, if they invoke the 25th Amendment, hard to come back from that as well: a lot of people wouldn't support someone who was removed due to being unfit.
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Maybe what the GOP needs to do, is change their rules to make DJT ineligible to run again as a Republican. Then he and his whackjob supporters can form a third party and self-marginalize. The GOP can go back to running moderate conservatives - they might even attract some moderate Dems that are tired of the antics of their party's "progressive" wing.
Even if Congress manages to pull off an Impeachment and conviction, it isn't at all clear that cout disqualify DJT from running in 2024. Article 3 says imoeachm
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The confederacy lost and is morally indefensible. A third of America has to get over this, they are hurting everyone including themselves.
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Racist statements: no problem
Sexist statements: no problem
Homophobic statements: no problem
Lies and conspiracies (general): no problem
Lies and conspiracies (election related): tagged with a correction
Inciting violent insurrection: 12 hour suspension
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It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their snake pit
FTFY. Mitchs speech last knight was priceless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] . He's basically the architect behind obstructionism [wikipedia.org] but now he pretends to be surprised and appalled by it.
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I bet that man hates Trump more than anyone. But he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. US politics is polarized and abhors a traitor, so he has to play ball with Trump. It's totally self serving and precisely what you don't want in a leader, but it's how you stay in power.
Now Trump is on his way out, and has finally gone far enough McConnell can publicly break with him and possibly even win points.
That was toady glee you saw on his face in that speech.
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Holy shit.
Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
Remember the names of those that still decided to contest the electors from Arizona and Pennsylvania:
Cruz. Hawley. Marshall. Tuberville. Hyde-Smith. Kennedy. Scott. Lummis. The Senate Insurrection Caucus.
Along with over 100 GOP members of Congress.
These people violated their oaths, some taken just days ago, and worked against out democracy and supported insurrection.
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It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
Snakes in the same pit are fairly tolerant of each other...
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Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
At least they are showing their true faces clearly now. It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
Not sure the Republican establisment (or anyone else) knew it at the time, but, once Trump began his run for the nomination,.the only way the Republicans can win the 2016 election is if Trump wins the nomination. I suspect no other Republican candidate could have beaten Clinton, as a defeated Trump would have reacted to losing the Republican nomination the same way he handled losing the presidency in 2020.
The steady stream of Trump loudly and constantly blaming his loss on a rigged primary,
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Indeed. Anybody else doing this would be in a supermax by now.
Anyone black doing it would be in a grave.
It also seems quite a few Republicans are slowly waking up to the fact
If the past four years, and every prior moment of Trump's life didn't wake someone up, Wednesday wouldn't either. What we're seeing in that guise is some recalculation of what actions and statements they believe maximize their psychopathic egos' futures.
they have invited a poisonous snake into their beds.
There are no poisonous snakes.