Eh.
I don't think anyone questions the uhh, intentions of the CCP.
However, that doesn't mean all things they do are evil, and that they can't be cooperated with for the sake of peace and advancement.
Obviously "New IP" can eat a bag of dicks. The rest of the world won't adopt it, so fuck it.
Even if we used Huawei devices, like any other protocol- we would simply not fucking use that one.
"I don't think anyone questions the uhh, intentions of the CCP.
However, that doesn't mean all things they do are evil, and that they can't be cooperated with for the sake of peace and advancement."
Only when it serves their objectives to get what they want long term. Talk to the Xinjiang about how those discussions are going. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Talk to the US about Japanese internment camps in the 40s.
Talk to the Germans about theirs.
Talk to the Brits about India.
Come the fuck on. None of our hands are clean. Let's try to stay on topic.
Every country works in what it considers its own interests. There will be an assortment of countries that agree and disagree on these various interests, and that binary delineation will not be constant across all issues. This makes room for cooperation.
Yes, talk to the Germans about theirs. They recognize the idea was so abhorrent and evil that they outlawed both membership in, and praise of, the political party that arranged them. They made it illegal to deny what happened in those camps. German concentration camps are also the only ones you named that are comparable to Chinese camps in terms of violations against the victims. And what happened in the German camps is recognized by essentially everyone as crimes against humanity.
First off, no.
The German camps and the Chinese camps have fucking nothing in common, other than it was mass incarceration. That's insulting to everyone who survived the Death Camps.
In that they only have that in common, they also have that in common with US internment camps.
None of those 3 have severity in common. The US camps were clearly the least lethal, and the Germans the most. All were wrong.
The point, that flew over your head at somewhere around 80,000 feet, was that your moral outrage over thei
Stop shilling to defend genocide camps. The US during WW2 and UK-in-India didn't have policies or practices of organized rape, organ harvesting, or brutality against religious minorities.
There's a reason people said "never again!" after Germany's behavior during WW2. But not China, which carries out the same ideas. And not you, who boldly declares "moral outrage [over genocide] is stupid as national policy".
Get your Evil Empire shit out of here.
The fucked up Chinese reeducation camps are a far cry from genocide.
The fact that you need to call them that shows that you have zero intellectual honesty to offer here.
I'm not sure you actually read what you linked.
Nobody makes the claim of genocide.
They do make the claim of "cultural genocide", which is some kind of fucking anti-doublespeak for forced conformity.
Nobody thinks commie reeducation camps are a good thing. They're fucking terrible to free-thinking folk.
But reclassifying them as genocide is intellectually dishonest at best, and fucking moronic at worst.
What are you going to deny next, the Holodomor?
Deny what? That it was a genocide? Absolutely.
The Holodomor was a lot of fucked up things. A genocide,
Try reading between the lines, you fucking imbecile.
Labeling the mass incarceration and "re-education" of a population with a very high rate of terrorists a genocide is just the kind of fucking thing I'd expect from some dumb fuck who thinks it's OK to drop bombs on their heads or torture them individually instead.
Chinese re-education camps are totally fucked up, just like Soviet Gulags were.
I've even heard that you don't want to bend over and pick up the soap in an American prison.
Labeling the mass incarceration and "re-education" of a population with a very high rate of terrorists a genocide is just the kind of fucking thing I'd expect from some dumb fuck who thinks it's OK to drop bombs on their heads or torture them individually instead.
I'm genuinely confused by this statement. Is this supposed to be some weird straw man or whataboutism?
I've even heard that you don't want to bend over and pick up the soap in an American prison.
How the fuck can you compare inmates raping each other because they are sexually isolated in prison to mass gang rapes organized by a government against it's prisoners? How can you be so quick to call a comparison of the uyghur genocide to the holocaust disrespectful but then compare prison rapes by inmates to the mass sexual abuse of prisoners by the government?
What do you call it when the government systematically wipes out the language, culture, and religion of an entire region? I get that you oppose calling it a genocide, so what term do you use for this?
Dealing with the problem of pure staff accumulation,
all our researches ... point to an average increase of 5.75% per year.
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Told Ya So (Score:-1, Flamebait)
For all you nay sayers.
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I don't think anyone questions the uhh, intentions of the CCP.
However, that doesn't mean all things they do are evil, and that they can't be cooperated with for the sake of peace and advancement.
Obviously "New IP" can eat a bag of dicks. The rest of the world won't adopt it, so fuck it.
Even if we used Huawei devices, like any other protocol- we would simply not fucking use that one.
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"I don't think anyone questions the uhh, intentions of the CCP.
However, that doesn't mean all things they do are evil, and that they can't be cooperated with for the sake of peace and advancement."
Only when it serves their objectives to get what they want long term. Talk to the Xinjiang about how those discussions are going.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Talk to the US about Japanese internment camps in the 40s.
Talk to the Germans about theirs.
Talk to the Brits about India.
Come the fuck on. None of our hands are clean. Let's try to stay on topic.
Every country works in what it considers its own interests. There will be an assortment of countries that agree and disagree on these various interests, and that binary delineation will not be constant across all issues. This makes room for cooperation.
You've got an ax to grind. Go wave your flag so
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Yes, talk to the Germans about theirs. They recognize the idea was so abhorrent and evil that they outlawed both membership in, and praise of, the political party that arranged them. They made it illegal to deny what happened in those camps. German concentration camps are also the only ones you named that are comparable to Chinese camps in terms of violations against the victims. And what happened in the German camps is recognized by essentially everyone as crimes against humanity.
There's also the fact
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The German camps and the Chinese camps have fucking nothing in common, other than it was mass incarceration. That's insulting to everyone who survived the Death Camps.
In that they only have that in common, they also have that in common with US internment camps.
None of those 3 have severity in common. The US camps were clearly the least lethal, and the Germans the most. All were wrong.
The point, that flew over your head at somewhere around 80,000 feet, was that your moral outrage over thei
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Stop shilling to defend genocide camps. The US during WW2 and UK-in-India didn't have policies or practices of organized rape, organ harvesting, or brutality against religious minorities.
There's a reason people said "never again!" after Germany's behavior during WW2. But not China, which carries out the same ideas. And not you, who boldly declares "moral outrage [over genocide] is stupid as national policy".
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Get your Evil Empire shit out of here.
The fucked up Chinese reeducation camps are a far cry from genocide.
The fact that you need to call them that shows that you have zero intellectual honesty to offer here.
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I am in very good company [wikipedia.org] in recognizing it as genocide.
What are you going to deny next, the Holodomor?
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Nobody makes the claim of genocide.
They do make the claim of "cultural genocide", which is some kind of fucking anti-doublespeak for forced conformity.
Nobody thinks commie reeducation camps are a good thing. They're fucking terrible to free-thinking folk.
But reclassifying them as genocide is intellectually dishonest at best, and fucking moronic at worst.
What are you going to deny next, the Holodomor?
Deny what? That it was a genocide? Absolutely.
The Holodomor was a lot of fucked up things. A genocide,
Re:Told Ya So (Score:2)
Go fucking learn something child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Labeling the mass incarceration and "re-education" of a population with a very high rate of terrorists a genocide is just the kind of fucking thing I'd expect from some dumb fuck who thinks it's OK to drop bombs on their heads or torture them individually instead.
Chinese re-education camps are totally fucked up, just like Soviet Gulags were.
I've even heard that you don't want to bend over and pick up the soap in an American prison.
But a genocide, the
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Labeling the mass incarceration and "re-education" of a population with a very high rate of terrorists a genocide is just the kind of fucking thing I'd expect from some dumb fuck who thinks it's OK to drop bombs on their heads or torture them individually instead.
I'm genuinely confused by this statement. Is this supposed to be some weird straw man or whataboutism?
I've even heard that you don't want to bend over and pick up the soap in an American prison.
How the fuck can you compare inmates raping each other because they are sexually isolated in prison to mass gang rapes organized by a government against it's prisoners? How can you be so quick to call a comparison of the uyghur genocide to the holocaust disrespectful but then compare prison rapes by inmates to the mass sexual abuse of prisoners by the government?
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