The public has already moved on. The public will only ever remember the "It was on autopilot!" stories, not the truth.
With two billion humans on the platform representing one of the worlds largest products, why am I not surprised that many others in media have adopted the Zuckerberg "Dumb Fucks" model of success, pimping lies for profit. Perhaps there should be a law against reporting the cause of a crash until the facts have been gathered. Immediately pointing the finger at autopilot to create a viral clickbait reaction is akin to the reporter calling the innocent-until-proven-guilty suspect a "murderer" with nothing mo
The "four hour fire" thing turned out to be BS as well [houstonchronicle.com]. The fire chief says that it was under control in 2-3 minutes after first responders arrived; only the occasional pop after 5-10 minutes; and while they were on the s ene for four hours, there was no fire, they were just using "a little bit of water" to make sure the pack was cold. They also did not need to call Tesla to learn how to fight it.
What a magnificent compilation of idiot logic, half truths, untruths, paranoia and just plain nasty jealousy on display. Anyone who never heard of Musk before with who had even a small amount of critical thinking skills would turn into a Musk fan from watching this.
Rei is right. If you don't have some financial interest in this topic then you really do need to be under the care of a psychiatrist.
Rei provided a link to a news article that supports her claim about what the fire chief said, and your rant (and username) appears to be both off-topic and trolling.
I believe Tesla actually shipped a couple of cars at the promised 35,000 before raising the minimum price. They did offer to return people's deposits who thought they were going to get a 35,000 car (thanks for the free loan) or they could just pay more
“(It) was heavily involved in flames. When the fire was put out, it was noticed there were two bodies (inside) and they were deceased,” Buck added. “They continued extinguishment of the woods around (the car), putting out the trees and pine needles and what have you. I was there probably five to 10 minutes after that and at that point, every once in a while, the (battery) reaction would flame and it was mainly keeping water pouring on the battery.”
“With respect to the fire fight, unfortunately, those rumors grew out way of control. It did not take us four hours to put out the blaze. Our guys got there and put down the fire within two to three minutes, enough to see the vehicle had occupants,” Buck said of inaccurate claims the vehicle burned for hours. “After that, it was simply cooling the car as the batteries continued to have a chain reaction due to damage.”
Buck said what is termed in the firefighting profession as “final extinguishment” of the vehicle — a 2019 Tesla — took several hours, but that classification does not mean the vehicle was out-of-control or had live flames. The term is mostly used in relation to structure or wild land forest fires where hot ash that seems extinguished or is buried can later reignite other material and begin burning again.
“We could not tear it apart or move it around to get ‘final extinguishment’ because the fact that we had two bodies in there and it was then an investigation-slash-crime scene,” Buck explained. “We had to keep it cool, were on scene for four hours, but we were simply pouring a little bit of water on it. It was not because flames were coming out. It was a reaction in the battery pan. It was not an active fire.”
He also noted:
“It is our job to keep up with the newest technologies, whether it is electric cars or other newer vehicles. The have strengthened uni-bodies, some of the framework they use is (high-tech) steel. The old ‘jaws of life’ will not cut through that. The ‘jaws of life’ would not have even made a dent in this car,” Buck said of the Tesla. “We have had to upgrade tools and upgrade our training and processes
It was only not an active fire because they kept cooling it. As the chief said, It was a reaction in the battery pan. I note that you bolded the text right next to that text in an apparent attempt to distract attention away from it, though.
You need a large energy source to power anything that uses large amounts of power, it’s grade school physics. Most all of the pearl clutching seems to be fear of what they don’t know, trolls, and shilling against Tesla. Personally I’d rather be in a car battery fire than a ruptured gas tank, at least the batteries take forever to burn and don’t coat you like a human torch, the gas could burn in only a few minutes and gas tanks tend to carry more energy.
When was the last time you heard of someone in an accident being covered in gasoline? For there to be fuel inside the vehicle you usually have to have sufficient crash intensity that you're not going to survive the experience anyway.
I wasn't trying to make a judgement between the two, what I'm saying is that claiming there wasn't an ongoing fire is disingenuous.
I wasn't trying to make a judgement between the two, what I'm saying is that claiming there wasn't an ongoing fire is disingenuous.
I think the point here is that the media, in fact, reported [washingtonpost.com] that the "fire burned for four hours" -- which, to the average person, sounds like what it says: a fire burning for four hours. The technicalities of a 4 hour conflagration versus a 3 hour and 55 minute chemical reaction or smoldering ash reigniting nearby materials combined with scene preservation efforts are largely ignored.
There was no "4 hour fire" or "ongoing fire" beyond a few minutes as a reasonable person would understand it.
Lithium batteries don’t burn during failure as readily or as quickly as gasoline, at least not in the style of battery Tesla has. The thermal process goes cell by cell with the heat transfer to adjacent cells limiting the reaction. Gasoline has no such thermal barrier, it’s already volitile under any conditions thats what made it such an attractive fuel in the first place. Further, the rate of reaction is due to geometry and the battery essentially maintains it while the gas spreads out incre
When was the last time you heard of a lithium EV car battery fire being the direct cause of injury. Both are safe statistically from a personal point of risk but the gas has far worse failure modes that do happen when you consider hundreds of millions of miles driven.
You’re probably in the same crowd that says Chauvin didn’t kill him case they used the car to gas him instead. Upon closer inspection and comparison to reality, neither makes logical sense.
It was only not an active fire because they kept cooling it.
This sort of thing, fires popping back up after initially being put it out, is not unusual to firefighters, usually without any batteries involved.
A building near where I used to work burned completely down. Fire kept re-erupting for hours after the building collapsed before the fire department eliminated all the flames and smoke and left the scene. Nevertheless, the fire department had to come back a few times the next couple of days because t
This sort of thing, fires popping back up after initially being put it out, is not unusual to firefighters, usually without any batteries involved.
Yes, that's true. However, it doesn't take hours to cool off a ICEV to prevent it from reigniting. And anyway, I'm not saying it's a reason not to have EVs. What I'm saying is that it's bullshit to suggest that they were pouring water on it for no reason.
It was also in a forest. They were initially called in on reports of a forest fire and didn't even know there was a car crash there. So in addition to the car they had to put out fires in the surrounding forest.
I also didn't boldface "It was not because flames were coming out" - was that "an apparent attempt to distract attention away from the fact that there was no fire?
The simple fact is that the purpose of water in an EV fire is to cool the battery pack. You're not going to put out already burning cells, but by keeping adjacent cells cool, you can stop them from failing as well and propagating the flame. Cooling a pack thoroughly takes a long time, and you always want to overdo it, as you don't want the fire t
There's a lot of liars with graduate degrees from elite universities. Like, for example, half of the United States Senate.
Just because someone had the resources to go to an elite university for 4 years, does not mean they invested in ethics along the way. And, if some nameable examples are indicative of a trend, it would also show that the graduate degrees from those elite universities don't represent any value above a graduate degree from a non-elite university except for the ability to say you have a gr
Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do.
-- R. A. Heinlein
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The public has already moved on. The public will only ever remember the "It was on autopilot!" stories, not the truth.
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The public has already moved on. The public will only ever remember the "It was on autopilot!" stories, not the truth.
With two billion humans on the platform representing one of the worlds largest products, why am I not surprised that many others in media have adopted the Zuckerberg "Dumb Fucks" model of success, pimping lies for profit. Perhaps there should be a law against reporting the cause of a crash until the facts have been gathered. Immediately pointing the finger at autopilot to create a viral clickbait reaction is akin to the reporter calling the innocent-until-proven-guilty suspect a "murderer" with nothing mo
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The CEOs of other auto companies would be holding a daily media event by comparison.
Tesla doesn't give a penny in advertising. Media(there is apparently no journalism in the US) will spin it negatively.
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The "four hour fire" thing turned out to be BS as well [houstonchronicle.com]. The fire chief says that it was under control in 2-3 minutes after first responders arrived; only the occasional pop after 5-10 minutes; and while they were on the s ene for four hours, there was no fire, they were just using "a little bit of water" to make sure the pack was cold. They also did not need to call Tesla to learn how to fight it.
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Just letting you know that this exists. [psychguides.com]
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What a magnificent compilation of idiot logic, half truths, untruths, paranoia and just plain nasty jealousy on display. Anyone who never heard of Musk before with who had even a small amount of critical thinking skills would turn into a Musk fan from watching this.
Rei is right. If you don't have some financial interest in this topic then you really do need to be under the care of a psychiatrist.
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You know you're Internet famous when a dumbass on Slashdot registers a troll account *specifically* for you. And you also got a sock puppet troll mod!
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That’s not what the fire chief said [...]
Rei provided a link to a news article that supports her claim about what the fire chief said, and your rant (and username) appears to be both off-topic and trolling.
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To quote the fire chief:
He also noted:
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It was only not an active fire because they kept cooling it. As the chief said, It was a reaction in the battery pan. I note that you bolded the text right next to that text in an apparent attempt to distract attention away from it, though.
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When was the last time you heard of someone in an accident being covered in gasoline? For there to be fuel inside the vehicle you usually have to have sufficient crash intensity that you're not going to survive the experience anyway.
I wasn't trying to make a judgement between the two, what I'm saying is that claiming there wasn't an ongoing fire is disingenuous.
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I wasn't trying to make a judgement between the two, what I'm saying is that claiming there wasn't an ongoing fire is disingenuous.
I think the point here is that the media, in fact, reported [washingtonpost.com] that the "fire burned for four hours" -- which, to the average person, sounds like what it says: a fire burning for four hours. The technicalities of a 4 hour conflagration versus a 3 hour and 55 minute chemical reaction or smoldering ash reigniting nearby materials combined with scene preservation efforts are largely ignored.
There was no "4 hour fire" or "ongoing fire" beyond a few minutes as a reasonable person would understand it.
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This sort of thing, fires popping back up after initially being put it out, is not unusual to firefighters, usually without any batteries involved.
A building near where I used to work burned completely down. Fire kept re-erupting for hours after the building collapsed before the fire department eliminated all the flames and smoke and left the scene. Nevertheless, the fire department had to come back a few times the next couple of days because t
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This sort of thing, fires popping back up after initially being put it out, is not unusual to firefighters, usually without any batteries involved.
Yes, that's true. However, it doesn't take hours to cool off a ICEV to prevent it from reigniting. And anyway, I'm not saying it's a reason not to have EVs. What I'm saying is that it's bullshit to suggest that they were pouring water on it for no reason.
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It was also in a forest. They were initially called in on reports of a forest fire and didn't even know there was a car crash there. So in addition to the car they had to put out fires in the surrounding forest.
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I also didn't boldface "It was not because flames were coming out" - was that "an apparent attempt to distract attention away from the fact that there was no fire?
The simple fact is that the purpose of water in an EV fire is to cool the battery pack. You're not going to put out already burning cells, but by keeping adjacent cells cool, you can stop them from failing as well and propagating the flame. Cooling a pack thoroughly takes a long time, and you always want to overdo it, as you don't want the fire t
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There's a lot of liars with graduate degrees from elite universities. Like, for example, half of the United States Senate.
Just because someone had the resources to go to an elite university for 4 years, does not mean they invested in ethics along the way. And, if some nameable examples are indicative of a trend, it would also show that the graduate degrees from those elite universities don't represent any value above a graduate degree from a non-elite university except for the ability to say you have a gr