Netscape Communicator 4.72 Released 369
Quite a number of people have ants in their pants over the latest release of Netscape Communicator. This latest release, 4.72 to be exact, can also be grabbed through their Web site. Here's to hoping it's more stable than my current release. 'Course, Mozilla's getting really really close now...
Haven't... (Score:1)
doh! (Score:5)
RPMs? (Score:2)
Re:Haven't... (Score:1)
Yeah, but at least you can disable the Netscape Shop button and the Communicator Radio.
Really peeves me that you can't get Navigator > 4.08. Oh well, even if they don't ship Mozilla like we want, it can be pared down easily enough. :)
Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (Score:4)
It still has a long way to go. Netscape will crash about once an hour for me when I am doing heavy web browsing.
My longest Mozilla uptime is 5 minutes. No joke. Slashdot is the only site I can use with it. www.deja.com main page crashes it right away.
I'm sorry, but Mozilla isn't useable for me. I remember the early Netscape betas years ago and they wer not this unstable.
And yes I submit bug reports.
I wish all the mozilla developers good luck, but its a long road ahead to the point where Netscape is replaced.
Interesting (Score:2)
seems ok, relatively stable (Score:2)
preliminary testing on linux 2.3.45 seems pretty stable (standalone version). so far i can't really see any differences, other than the fact that it isn't crashing and freezing my X server.
darren
Re:Haven't... (Score:1)
Netscape has got to keep up and try to implement the same features. Personally, I don't use or want most of them as they tend to slow down surfing speeds. But if they don't keep up, they'll lose even more ground to IE.
Axiom
Netscape has SOCKS, Mozilla has ...? (Score:3)
Yes - I've already downloaded and installed 4.72. Why? Because I'm fed up with having the 4.71 browser flake out every day or so with another error. So far, so good - nothing has died yet :-)
I've been tracking the Mozilla Seamonkey Milestones since M11, and it seems to be stabilizing up nicely but I'm stuck with using it for browsing behind the firewall at work because we use a SOCKS proxy to the outside world. Alas, as far as I can see this is not supported in Mozilla yet. Anyone have any clues on this one - what is needed to persuade Seamonkey to use the SOCKS proxy? Or does some SOCKS expert wish to sign up for this post on the Mozilla team? It was empty last time I looked.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
P.S. If I see any posts with the title 'Shoes?' following this one ... :-)
Question (Score:1)
This is perhaps the most annoying feature of the previous version.
Re:Haven't... (Score:1)
Re:Haven't... (Score:1)
gifs (Score:1)
Netscape rarely crashes... (Score:2)
Bottom line: Browser only without Java is pretty stable.
most stable? (Score:1)
The "supported" linux20_glibc2?
The "unsupported" linux20_libc5 or linux22?
Is the unsupported freeBSD version any better than Linux versions?
I need as much stability as I can get. Turning off Javascript helps, but it really isn't a very good solution.
Release notes (Score:5)
Quick summary:
HOWTO (Score:4)
1) Your distro manufacturer may have packaged netscape incorrectly. See their site for details or upgrades.
2) Turn off Cascading Style Sheets (Style Sheets) support in your preferences. It generally doesn't work well at all and really isn't all that necessary. And IME it makes NS crash. A lot.
3) Turn off Java. Turn off Java. Turn off Java.
4) Turn off Javascript if you don't use somewhat sophisticated sites.
5) Don't invoke mystery components like Messenger and Composer and all that crap unless you actually need to use them. They tend to suck a bit.
6) Feed it lots and lots and lots of disk/memory cache, or none at all.
7) Upgrade. 4.7x is much nicer than previous 4.x releases on all platforms, IME.
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This is just my experience. With these changes, NS tends to stay up for a few days for me, as opposed to an hour or less previously.
Take this at well less than face value.
Re:Question (Score:1)
Re:too little, too late (Score:2)
java (Score:1)
Re:Release notes (Score:3)
"Netscape Communicator with 128-bit strong encryption is now available worldwide"
(with the exception of a few countries that
America hates)
Saves having to use Fortify instead.
Re:RPMs? (Score:2)
I'm not sure I understand the question ... I mean, isn't it obvious that RH doesn't make communicator and that they have to put the RPMS together themselves from the tarballs Netscape makes available?
Disabling shopping button.. (Score:5)
user_pref("browser.chrome.disableMyShopping", true);
Still no good fixes (Score:1)
If you're wondering which java problem I'm referring to, some of the banners on Freshmeat will crash Netscape. Most evil!
4.72? No thanks... (Score:2)
Every time I try to kill a loading page, I find myself whisked away to some "Netscape Store". Sheesh.
43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr
Re:Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (Score:1)
Re:Question (Score:5)
Re:Netscape has SOCKS, Mozilla has ...? (Score:4)
Some Reasons To Try Out A Nightly Build [mozillazine.org]
Gerv
Navigator is still 4.08!??? (Score:4)
Re:4.72? No thanks... (Score:2)
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What's New? Who knows? (Score:2)
As of Netscape Communicator 4.72, Enterprise Calendar is no longer included with your download.
I don't see any What's New section. It's amazing how hard it is to find any information about Navigator on Netscape's home page.
Re:4.72? No thanks... (Score:5)
Be gald that the buttons can be disbaled. Since no one has posted how in this thread, here it is, straight from my
Netscape*toolBar.myshopping.isEnabled: false
That's it.
To disable the search/my netscape, and add a Find button:
Netscape*toolBar.destinations.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.numUserCommands: 1
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.commandName: findInObject
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.labelString: Find
Netscape*toolBar.userCommand1.commandIcon: Find
Netscape*toolBar.search.isEnabled: false
AOL Takeover (Score:4)
Communicator 4.7 is pretty stable for me under NT, but I have pretty robust hardware (Athalon 550/128MB); it seems much less stable under Red Hat on my K6-II/400. My main gripe is it's speed; it seems to take forever to render a page, even on my Athalon. My other major gripe is that the email and news facilities are annoyingly primitive for such an otherwise mature program. (Plus, PGPFreeware dosn't have a Netscape plugin)
I havn't had a chance to play with Mozilla yet; but I'm looking forward to seeing the final release. Hopefully Mozilla will fix a lot of the annoyances of 4.x
"The axiom 'An honest man has nothing to fear from the police'
Re:HOWTO (Score:2)
[snip]
7) Upgrade. 4.7x is much nicer than previous 4.x releases on all platforms, IME.
I've found 4.61 much more stable on both Linux and Windows than 4.7, and it's not as if you really need that "Shop@Netscape" button. I haven't had 4.72 long enough to have an opinion about it.
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FreeBSD NS v. Linux NS (Score:3)
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Thought it was me. (Score:2)
On the FIX [www.fix.no] BBS I recently posted this:
"The problem has oocured in versions 4.6 and 4.7 on Win95, Win98 and NT.
Sometimes, Netscape doesn't allow you to follow links. Like, the pointer will change to the "hand" when you move over the link, but a click doesn't do anything.
The only way to solve the problem is to reboot windows. It's very strange. It's happened to me regularly for about 6 months, I can't be the only one?
I'm considering reporting it to Netscape.
Mo."
I got the following within a few minutes. Come on NS! I'm using IE5 now - it's better, a lot better!
"No, I experience the same thing. Except that sometimes, a click *does* do anything, even when the mouse pointer isn't in hand shape."
"I've experienced this with Netscape for Linux. It only happens when I have two or more windows open at the same time, and another one (than the one I'm clicking in) is trying to load something. If I cancel that load by hitting ESC,things usually "pop" back into working order. Usually, I say, but it's only happened to me two or three times."
"Have the same problem (Netscape 4.6 on Linux and also on Digital UNIX 4.0D), but: It even happens, when there's only one window. And it doesn't change back, only restarting of Netscape is a cure.
Seems to be a coded feature.
Really NS - Can we have our favourite browser working properly in it's next release? You know? Links, that can be followed?
Mong.
* Paul Madley
Coincidence or Conspiracy? (Score:4)
Fixed the JS/CSS bug? (Score:2)
Re:Netscape has SOCKS, Mozilla has ...? (Score:3)
Re:RPMs? (Score:2)
If redhat had official updates before say, debian, can you imagine the amount of complaints netscape would get?
Re:Fixed the JS/CSS bug? (Score:2)
Not likely. That particular bug, after all, is there because CSS support is implemented by translating CSS into javascript. Hence, turning off the latter turns off the former.
We should expect this silliness to end with Mozilla, of course.
Platform support (Score:5)
As if that weren't sufficiently annoying, there's not been a Linux/SPARC version since 4.51, but there are five Solaris versions. Of course, none of those are for current versions of Solaris either. All this, of course, would be excusable if they didn't have any systems to build on or they weren't going to support oddball platforms (I will admit that Linux/SPARC is marginal, though it has multiple supported distributions and a growing user base), but then why oh why are there two SINIX builds??? Most people don't even know WTF SINIX _is_, much less have it.
The point? It doesn't seem like Netscape understands what people are actually using today. If the objective is to be compatible with as much as possible, then not having up-to-date Linux builds for at least Intel, SPARC, and Alpha makes no sense. For that matter, they don't even claim to support Solaris 7 or 8. 2.5.1 is itself archaic. If the objective is instead to support only the most popular platforms, then I certainly don't see the need for five Solaris builds, two AIX builds, anything related to SINIX, or a Linux 2.0/libc5 build. The obvious platforms to support would be Solaris 7, Linux 2.2-intel/glibc, the latest AIX, the latest Digital Unix, and IRIX 6.5.
So what can we do to increase their awareness of this problem? Numerous polite letters have garnered either no response or a polite "get lost" form letter. Ideas?
Alternate paranoid theory: AOL wants all the Unix builds to be against old systems so that people will switch to windoze and buy more aol service. Pretty paranoid, but aol is pure evil after all.
PS: Kudos to the mozilla team for recognizing the value of compatibility and multi-platform support. The Linux/SPARC build works as well as any other.
--TM, still using 4.51 on Ultralinux, the preferred platform of all major deities
Netscape's Great (Score:3)
Well I think Netscape's great- twice the performance and a lot more stable than anything else made by other people who haven't paid me as much cash to say that.
Barry Fishcake
Senior VP, Mindcraft [rinkworks.com]
I'm smoking M13--and it tastes great! (Score:3)
I have not had one single crash of the browser. (I have had mail crash on me).
I was anxiously waiting for M14 to clean up some interface/formatting/speed problems, but apparently they aren't going to do one(?)
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Here is the result of your Slashdot Purity Test.
Re:Disabling shopping button.. (Score:5)
I make a xdelta patch so I can apply it on all the linux computers I use. The patch is specific to the build version though (do about: and you will see the version on the title bar). The newest one I have is for v4.7 build [en] 19990915. I have downloaded 4.72, but have not made a patch for it yet. I ran it and played around for a bit, and after seeing that it still displays the same annoying bugs as 4.7 I put off making a patch for now.
Anyhow my navigation bar has the following:
(forward)
reload
casa
search (goes to goole. you can edit the url for this too)
[fm] (freshmeat.net)
print
security
/. (slashdot.org)
halt
Use IE if you run Windows (Score:5)
if you have no other reason to use IE other than Microsoft hatred that's fine. But if you want to see what Mozilla will hopefully eventually being like, just download IE and see for yourself.
Re:AOL Takeover (Score:2)
Did this, in fact, happen? I remember jwz leaving a short time after the take-over, and a few others left when the takeover was still just a rumor. AOL cut a whole bunch of Netscape staff, but that was mostly redundant admin, AFAIK. I would imagine some programmers walked but 95% seems absurdly high. Do you have any supporting references?
4.72 seems better (Score:3)
Re:HOWTO (Score:3)
3) Turn off Java. Turn off Java. Turn off Java.
4) Turn off Javascript if you don't use somewhat sophisticated sites.
5) Don't invoke mystery components like Messenger and Composer and all that crap unless you actually need to use them. They tend to suck a bit.
6) Feed it lots and lots and lots of disk/memory cache, or none at all.
My god man! What's the point? You've turned off everything that makes it worthwhile to install a 4.x generation browser in the first place, haven't you?
If none of the new features work... the solution is: Stick with the old version.
- StaticLimit
Does 4.72 fix the serious Composer bugs? (Score:2)
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Removing the Evils (Score:2)
Also, I found the best way not mentioned to fix the button toolbar. Go to View, and Deselect Navigation toolbar. You can use alt-arrow to go forward and backwards, ESCAPE stops loading and alt-r reloads. Gives me more desktop and less suck from Net$crape.
Re:Coincidence or Conspiracy? (Score:3)
Re:Disabling shopping button.. (Score:3)
! Replace "Shop" with something useful:
Netscape*strings.22495:http://slashdot.org
Netscape*myshopping.labelString:/.
Netscape*myshopping.documentationString:Go to Slashdot
Netscape*myshopping.tipString:Slashdot
Re:Disabling shopping button.. (Score:2)
On another note, can anyone download the 128 bit versions? I keep getting dead links.
The CHANGELOG (release notes) (Score:3)
Do we vote with more than our mouths? (Score:2)
If each of us had paid $25 for it, I think there would be a better product.
Alternatively, what can one expect for free?
Find a browser and BUY it, or contribute code if you are able. Anything else is pathetic.
What is SINIX? (Score:2)
Ok, I admit I have never heard of SINIX..
Re:HOWTO (Score:2)
8) Turn off Netscape.
Re:Coincidence or Conspiracy? (Score:2)
Do a Google Search for: I wanna fuck you in the ass [google.com]
Have a look at the first result on THAT one.
After seeing that, I tried a variation. The first few search results are QUITE amusing:
Fuck you up the ass [google.com] - Amusingly, those few search results DO JUST THAT!
Here's a well known search: More evil than the devil himself [google.com]
-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
Re:Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (Score:2)
cha-ching! That's why Mozilla is still considered alpha. When you try out the early Mozilla betas, they might be more on par with what you had before.
Go here (Score:3)
Re:HOWTO (Score:2)
Well, I use the latest one from SGI with their own customizations. Neither it nor the standard Netscape-supported version seems to be immune to the typical crashes and hangs. On Linux, AKAIK RedHat just sets it up to use the libraries it was linked against if they're available. See my other post on Netscape not supporting current platforms properly/at all.
2) Turn off Cascading Style Sheets (Style Sheets) support in your preferences. It generally doesn't work well at all and really isn't all that necessary. And IME it makes NS crash. A lot.
Do not do this. CSS is a good idea. The separation of content from layout is both necessary and good. Now, it shouldn't be harmful to your ability to glean content from sites while browsing without CSS; however, without CSS it's assumed that you don't care what the pages look like and thus you might as well just use Lynx. CSS support in Mozilla actually looks good. Somebody there read the standard, which I can't really say about Netscape. Anyway, turning off CSS just encourages webmasters to use other methods, like crufty HTML or "that other browser's" proprietary extensions. Much like the lack of CSS in the first place caused Netscape's extensions to become de facto, and later, real, standards. Bad, bad. If CSS causes crashes, file bug reports or complain to the webmaster in question.
5) Don't invoke mystery components like Messenger and Composer and all that crap unless you actually need to use them. They tend to suck a bit.
Agreed. If you don't use them, consider Navigator instead of Communicator. Quicker to download as well.
The bottom line is, whatever you do, Netscape is still a crufty, bloated piece of crap on any platform they bother to support. Part of the problem is probably library and kernel version mismatches; since they refuse to support the current versions of most platforms, it's no real surprise that random crashes happen. Fixing this would go a long way toward improving stability. Aside from that, most problems seem related to either Java or Javascript. I agree with this poster; disable them if you can.
javascript sophisticated??? (Score:3)
a) popu-up advertising
b) taking control of the display away from the user in general
c) creating links where a real link would have done at least as well
d) forcing of automatic forwarding to an advertising site
e) a single case where it was used to enable nested choices--choose the textbook then the chapter.
Only e) even vaguely benefits the user, and this is arguable. a-d all either affirmatively harm the user, or are crummy programming.
If your page requires javascript to function, unless you're doing something rather exotic with user data, it's almost certainly wrong. More than that, I'll go to one of your competitors--I used to use foxnews, but they're not enough better than CNN to put up with this.
hawk
Re:I'm smoking M13--and it tastes great! (Score:3)
And based on the undisputable truth that Mozilla does crash consistently on some systems, I would have to say that no, Mozilla is not almost ready for primetime. They clearly have way too many bugs that have yet to be tracked down.
Having said that, I would like to point out that I am not saying that Mozilla should be ready for regular use. I understand that it is an Alpha, and I wholeheartedly expect it to get much much better as it moves on. But you can't have it both ways.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
You can get Navigator >4.08 at least for Linux (Score:2)
Re:M13 works for me (Score:2)
Re:Coincidence or Conspiracy? (Score:3)
Just a guess: the Google guys claim that what sets their search engine apart from so many others is that it weights sites based on other sites that link to it - if your site gets linked from one that sells widgets, a search for widgets is more likely to pull your site.
Now, think of how many pr0n sites make you click one of those "I understand and agree with the terms of service" links. Almost invariably, the "I don't agree - I'm under 18" link takes you to Disney's page.
So, searches for some "adult" key phrases bring up Disney, by sheer force of association. (Dear god. I can't imagine what would happen if their lawyers got wind of this.)
Re:4.72? No thanks... (Score:2)
Every time I try to kill a loading page, I find myself whisked away to some "Netscape Store". Sheesh.
That's sort of like the whole idea.
P.S Another Netscape grouse: why can't NS copy and paste the text without breaking the lines at the wrong places?
Re:Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (Score:2)
Some of the sites that aren't rendering correctly may be using non-standard HTML to make them render correctly on non-standard browsers--IE and Netscape. The goal of Gecko is a high level of standards compliance. When/if mozilla goes for bugwards compatability, the non-standard stuff will begin to render better.
If you want to be standards compliant AND compatible with non-standard implementations, it would seem wise to aim for compliance first, then try to accomodate the broken stuff.
Re:4.72? No thanks... (Score:2)
user_pref("browser.chrome.disableMyShopping", true);
^D
Re:javascript sophisticated??? (Score:2)
In order to give them access to reports. This allows a central repository, password control and a relatively easy to program GUI.
At one of the customers we use Javascript quite intensely to give the site the navigation they wanted. When you have multiple frames within a page that need to update themselves in response to a user selection, Javascript seemed the only way given the screen layout they demanded (if the frames would have lined up better we could have just refreshed the lot of them). It also allowed us to blank out the unused frames if the user started changing critera for a new report. Lastly, that anoying feature of poping up a new window was quite usefull for displaying the report they picked while leaving their sellections and other choices intact (and thus allowing them to easily select another report).
I'm not saying the site was 'gorgeous' or a 'paradigm' that all web sites should strive to emulate
Re:Use IE if you run Windows (Score:2)
On Hacking the prefs.js file (Score:2)
http://www.inmind.com/p eople/phrank/commonly/userprefs.html [inmind.com]
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Re:Prior comment is what's wrong with Linux today (Score:2)
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Re:Platform support (Score:2)
I bet NS6 is out before the year is up.
Re:Coincidence or Conspiracy? Neither. (Score:2)
Like this [google.com].
Netscape is dying... If not dead already... (Score:2)
We had to turn back fast. But at the same time we managed to seriously upgrade the system. 4.61 worked no more (and we were holding the upgrade due to this...
Sincerly, my experience with Netscape has been, for the last year, desilusion after desilusion. Their closed source, their huge delays, their lack of intermediate patches, their lack of support for most of the new standards, has turned its use into a growing Hell. What mostly admires me is that, among all this, they started to add more and more "features", scrapping stable old code and creating more problems. If anyone has traced it on Linux he can understand what I mean. I have been doing this and I'm admired that calls, that worked well in RedHat, Slackware and Mandrake, now are changed and Netscape horribly crashes in these places. They don't follow the libraries and sometimes mix them with beta and alpha versions from rawhide libs (some of which don't manage ever to reach RedHat dists). Use code that everyone has dropped long ago. And the most worrysome is that their support and documentation from miserable has been turning to none.
Hope that Mozilla comes soon. I have tested it and liked a lot. Really I don't want to go back to MazDie only because I want to roam the net...
Re:Navigator is still 4.08!??? (Score:2)
My opinion? Netscape is really missing out. At least on the Mac, iCab is really hot right now. There is a market for standalone clients out there, even if you argue that the all-in-one is better.
Mozilla is NS6? (Score:2)
So there will be no actual NS5 release? Do you have any links to more information?
thanks!
Re:What is SINIX? (Score:2)
SINIX is the System V.4 complian UNIX variant jointly developed by Siemens [siemens.de] (the third largest company in Germany) and Nixdorf Computer Systems, a pioneer hardware manufacturer in Germany in the 70's and 80's -- hence the name SINIX. Nixdorf was bought by Siemens in the late 80's though when they steered into financial troubles after their PC division (sic) wasn't doing as good as they thought it would ...
There's a manual of SINIX online here [www.sni.be] for your enjoyment.
Oh and BTW, SINIX did enjoy its share of popularity in Europe (especially Germany) during the 80's and even into the 90's. I don't know though if its still under active development. Oh, and there's a 386/486 variant available for you to install over^H^H^H^H besides your Linux partition :).
Re:Haven't... (Score:2)
One of the above (ahem, Mozilla?) should remove support for extraneous garbage and make a browser, not an operating system.
Re: Overextended Hack Job Piece of Crap (Score:2)
ALSO, it has to have a REAL preferences menu, where you can disable ANY HTML type, (blink comes to mind), and ANY feature in the browser, and can be completly controled from the keyboard if need be.
Is that too much to ask for?
Re:Use IE if you run Windows (Score:2)
Re:Use IE if you run Windows (Score:3)
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Re:I'm smoking M13--and it tastes great! (Score:3)
It seems they just don't care (Score:3)
"Using the Insert Link command (or the Link button) in Composer or when composing HTML messages may cause Communicator to crash." This is a brand-spanking new bug in Netscape 4.72 Why don't they fix this stuff before they release it? Or, barring that, at least take out the feature so people don't crash Netscape by using it.
"If you attempt to use Messenger the very first time you run Communicator, it may quit with an "Illegal instruction" message."
"If you delete your only IMAP server and then add a POP server, Communicator may quit."
"A previous workaround for Unix systems, to avoid the freezing on startup of the edit or compose window, has been changed." Is it just me, or does this just sound silly? Changing workarounds, why don't they just fix it!?
I wouldn't mind this so much, except they're introducing new features, mostly useless features, before they even bother to fix these bugs.
Chris Hagar
Re:Strong Encryption? Here! (Score:2)
Anyone else having problems downloading the strong encryption version?
Go to http://www.netscape.com/download/ unsupported.html [netscape.com], and pick the Linux 2.2 / 128-bit Communicator 4.72 link. It works.
Rick Moenrick@linuxmafia.com
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Use IE if you run Windows (Score:2)
If X or KDE crashed, would you say Linux crashed? Nom ofcourse not.
Just restart Explorer.
Ofcourse you could just be smart and turn on "Browse in New Process" in IE to make sure IE instances are opened up in their own process - a crash from a bad applet won't crash your shell explorer process.
Re: There's a W2K games patch too (Score:2)
Ofcourse most of the games on that list are quite old
Re:You're a dumbass. (Score:2)
I'm 50% sure that once the kit is ported to support Linux Microsoft will release IE for linux.
Ofcourse everyone here would take the oppotunity to run around saying NT sucks, not even microsoft is sure of NT. Microsoft will release MS Linux!!! and other crap.
Re:Use IE if you run Windows (Score:2)
I've never seen explorer take down windows 2000, can't say the same for win9x, but win9x is a load of crock compared to windows 2000 (which can do everything win9x can do, but better).
Nonsense :) (Score:2)
If you're running Windows (which I wouldn't recommend), then you can run Proxomitron [tripod.com] which is a stupidly named yet sublimely wonderful non-caching proxy server (like the Junkbusters [junkbuster.com] one) that you can run on your own client side which will let you strip out all the annoying javascript crap you hate (in addition to filtering out ad banners). You'd actually be able to go to Geocities websites without that stupid branded logo in the corner, that is, if there is anything at Geocities worth seeing. The friend whose computer I set it up on has had only good things to say about it.
You forgot "FILTERS FILTERS FILTERS" (Score:2)
For those of you who don't already know, iCab has (built in) many of the features that normally require a non-caching local proxy like Junkbusters to achieve, and even then iCab usually does better. Image filtering by host (up yours, doubleclick.net), path name, file name, dimensions (ever notice how most ads are 468x59 or 468x60?), etc. Control over which cookies to accept and keep, which to discard, all done without the annoyance of "Don't you want to accept this cookie? If you want me to stop asking, you'll have to turn all cookies off or accept them all regardless."
Technically iCab isn't even a standalone, since it will let you send email. It sure is lightweight, though.
Re:Do we vote with more than our mouths? (Score:2)
Widespread use and admiration for their (free) browser is definitely in their interest: the toilets in pubs are free, but you don't drink there if the toilets are revolting...
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Re:cnn.com also works for me (Score:2)
The problem is not in "some other area", the problem is in how Mozilla deals with "some other area". My system is almost a stock RH6.1 full install; there's no reason it shouldn't work. And rather than work my tail off trying to *make* it work on my system (which has nothing wrong with it otherwise), I will simply continue to use Netscape, in the knowlege that Mozilla is Alpha-software.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
Re:Mozilla?? What are you smoking? (Score:2)
4.5 was bad, 4.6 was so unstable it made me move to IE - which I hate. Not just philosophically, I don't like the program. 4.6 was perfectly capable of totally locking up Windows and forcing a reboot, so I had to change IMO. 4.7 is back at the 4.5 level IMO - and I'll have to try 4.72 later.
But 4.0x was beautifully stable. Don't remember it crashing more than anything else. I'd change back if I could...
Greg
Get nightly builds is a little more stable (Score:2)
I can't get Mozilla to build on Win32 using just Cygnus as an environment. The Mozilla pages assume you know a lot more about build debugging than I do, or maybe it really does require MC VC++? Oh well.
It's real nice to try Mozilla every day and see what's new, like the new "Sherlock-like" Search bar -- WAY COOL.
I can get about 20 minutes uptime in Mozilla vs. 30 mins in Netscape on Linux and Netscape/W32 an hour. I can extend my Linux uptime of Netscape by typing by Slashdot replies in Gnotepad and using cut and paste
The road is not that long though. We'll have a good Mozilla before the summer. Too bad no PC vendors will bundle it, and Apple probably won't either because of the UI design "violations" (I'll bet MS has Apple under contract to not 'support' Mozilla with code contributions, like they have supported Apache. This is pure speculation however).
Re:Use IE if you run Windows (Score:2)
for the third time yes, look in the damn options for IE, and you'll see that you can configure IE to start up in a new process every time.
You can use netscape if you don't want speed or stability or anything that works properly.
And your suggestion that W2K is more unstable than Win98 is laughable. I've had no windows 2000 crashes since the release over 2 months ago.
Re:Mozilla is NS6? (Score:2)
This is an article written when the Mozilla project was 1 year old (april 1999), at the top of the 'HIGHLIGHTS' section they mention how the code was originally the 'work in progress' code for Communicator 5.
If you then skim down to the 'LOWLIGHTS' section they talk about the decision to jetison the code and start over. When rereading this all I'm not sure if they will be naming the next Communicator 5 or not, the code rev for Mozilla I believe refers to it as 6 (rev5 being the code Mozilla.org started with, and their 'from scratch' rev6).
This doesn't mean that Communicator will be numbered 6, but I can't see Netscape not using the opportunity to 'lap' IE, much as Microsoft is known for doing.