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glyneth writes
"No, it's not a child of Storm and Magneto, but this weekend Earth has a 40% chance of experiencing a geomagnetic storm, according to this article. It could likely affect satellites in orbit along with power on the ground, as happened in 1989 in North America."
Aw Shoot! (Score:5)
Aurora, too. (Score:2)
oribtal tanning saloon (Score:1)
excuse (Score:1)
The last time this happened (Score:1)
Uhh (Score:1)
It will be said (Score:1)
There's gonna be a hot time in the old town tonight...
Re:oribtal tanning saloon (Score:3)
There's a really good write-up of it here [nationalacademies.org].
kick ass, told you i was smart to prepare for y2k (Score:2)
a smaller one hit us on Wednesday (Score:3)
Wednesday's flare caused a few blackouts.
Today's solar flare was predicted, and was expected to be larger than the one that hit us on Wendesday.
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Good thing I'm not working this weekend! (Score:1)
Re:Uhh (Score:1)
Re:a smaller one hit us on Wednesday (Score:1)
First Toast! (Score:2)
If this generates a few mutants, I predict that
next year's X-men sequel will be old hat.
This is the end!!!!! (Score:1)
I think there's something we can all learn... (Score:4)
The sun is a mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace, where hydrogen is built into helium at a temperature of millions of degrees.
Anything to do with the VHF skip? (Score:2)
Want to see the charts? (Score:4)
radiation suits (Score:1)
I checked out the site, but there were no hard numbers as to the probability of a really disasterous serious sun storm. Anybody have this kind of info?
kick some CAD [cadfu.com]
Repent!! (Score:2)
Or if nothing else more charged particles and radiation will hit you.
Oh never mind. I guess it wasn't that funny anyway.
Oh, boy, a nit to pick! (Score:1)
So far so good...so far.. :) (Score:1)
Bowie J. Poag
A solar flare may be..... (Score:3)
...the only thing that can produce significant OpenBSD downtimes.
The Second Amendment Sisters [sas-aim.org]
There's something else we can learn, too (Score:1)
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Re:Oh, boy, a nit to pick! (Score:1)
Wednesday's flare caused a few radio blackouts.
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Interested in the Colorado Lottery?
better source of info. (Score:2)
if it ain't broke, then fix it 'till it is!
I'll be on my roof... (Score:1)
Protecting ourselves (Score:1)
Re:oribtal tanning saloon (Score:2)
Cellular? (Score:1)
Bruce
Wow (Score:2)
-- Moondog
Re:Uhh (Score:2)
I recall within the last couple weeks, there was an extremely large 'Coronal Mass Ejection' heading towards earth. It was posted on
Is this one that much bigger than the one a couple weeks ago?
Re:Uhh (Score:1)
blessings,
Slashcode munged (Score:1)
Take a look! (Score:3)
It's usually cool to look at, but now it's fascinating!
Kevin Fox
SPIDERFEST! (Score:1)
Re:Uhh (Score:1)
blessings,
This whole thing... (Score:3)
"I will bring your satellites, your power grids, your cellular phones, and your governments too their knees unless you give me... $1 million dollars!"
Biggest in 6 years (Score:2)
Time to stop the local nutcase, steal his aluminum foil hat, and head for the hills!
Re:Want to see the charts? (Score:2)
Holy shit! It's completely off the scale!
Mankind is doomed! Doomed I tell you! Our only hope is aluminum foil! Lots and lots of aluminum foil!
k.
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"In spite of everything, I still believe that people
are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
More Information Here (Score:3)
There is more information [spaceref.com] on the Solar eruption over here on Spaceref.com [spaceref.com].
Re: (Score:1)
Will this knock out cell phones? (Score:1)
They were right! (Score:1)
SOHO (Score:1)
@#lj$$;kzSDlkjsdf)*)8 (Score:4)
Re:excuse (Score:1)
No you don't. These EM storms don't affect biological organisms at all...
...unless you have a very wierd prosthetic you aren't telling us about
Dish network anybody? (Score:1)
Any scientists out there have an opinion on what subscribers can expect this weekend?
Re:Want to see the charts? (Score:2)
"This page cannot be displayed." For web servers, I'll bet 'damage from 40 solar flares'
(How the heck do you get a 'less than' symbol thru the
Re:Want to see the charts? (Score:2)
Use < for < and > for >.
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Sunburn (Score:2)
And this two days after my doctor nagged me about being careful with sunburn.
I'm currently hunting for a UV index chart. I wanna see if I just experienced really bad timing...
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Real movies of the event (Score:4)
Better movies of the event (Score:1)
http://vestige.lmsal.com/TRACE/POD /TRACEpod.html [lmsal.com]
In case you were wondering... (Score:3)
Re:SPIDERFEST! (Score:1)
-- iCEBaLM
Hydro Quebec (Score:3)
Other problem with Hydro Quebec is just the sheer length of the lines, which of course they can't do much about given the sheer size of the province. Solar storms play hell with local magnetic fiels, and the longer a power line is, the more power gets induced in it when the magnetic field changes...
Of course, given how much of the system had to be replaced after the ice storm a couple of years back, hopefully they've better isolated some of the distribution lines by now.
-- Bryan Feir
Re:Wow (Score:1)
The [moving] magnetic field induces a current in the wires. This extra current causes the power companies to shut down the grid in certain areas as a precautionary measure.
GOTCHA!!!! 0000 (Score:1)
windah 'n see if c'n get the Van
Allan belt ta kick in 88
jillean watts so's ah kin git
my ion drive to warp factor
me back so I can tell myself
not to move in wi't that liein'
bitch Vivian.
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What other effects does excessive (Score:1)
Since it has a way of disrupting the geomagnetic field, I was wondering how this might effect life?
Example: The human body contains substantial amounts of iron (in red blood cells). Could these types of solar emanations do wierd things like polarize that iron?
Mayhaps it would explain why the trolls are more restless than usual today
Re:oribtal tanning saloon (Score:2)
Fifty miles of atmosphere is a shield that's going to be awfully hard for a space station to equal, let alone beat.
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Re:Anything to do with the VHF skip? (Score:2)
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Will this effect ... (Score:2)
Re:Aurora, too. (Score:1)
Re:Why (Score:2)
Unfortunately the power grid was designed to carry AC high voltage, low current power. The storm produced DC low voltage, high current power. When they tried to bleed the power off into the ground they discovered that a non conductive ground doesn't work very well as a power sync. As a result wires melted, transformers blew, and all power was disrupted.
Since then they have broken up the wire loops so there is little to no induction. Bored their grounding spikes deeper into the ground to insure that they could actually ground circuits. And placed many more circuit breakers into place.
I think if there is a problem it won't be a result of a power overload in the grid itself.
Radio Propagation Links. (Score:1)
Re:I think there's something we can all learn... (Score:1)
Re:oribtal tanning salon (Score:3)
While I don't doubt that he saw something, and it may well have been correlated to enhanced levels of radiation experienced in the SAA, claims of GeV+ protons produced from geomagnetism are difficult to believe. (Electrons are accelerated to relativistic speeds in solar flares and coronal mass ejections, the most violent geomagnetic phenomena in the heliosphere, but the ions remain non-relativistic). IMO a more plausible explanation for what the cosmonaut saw would be that shielding from the cosmic ray flux was lower in that region due to a thinner atmosphere/ionosphere above him, so more ambient cosmic rays could pass through his body.
Fifty miles of atmosphere is a shield that's going to be awfully hard for a space station to equal, let alone beat.
I agree with you, but my point was that the danger from energetic particles of heliospheric origin would be much lower for the ISS than for a satellite in geosynchronous orbit. Shielding from ambient cosmic ray flux is a different matter altogether--irrespective of the level of solar activity, people living in Santa Fe (7000 ft.) receive a much higher dose of cosmic rays than people living in Los Angeles (sea level). In LEO, away from the magnetic poles, Earth's magnetic field offers quite good protection from energetic plasma streaming from the Sun. The plasma can still find its way into the magnetosphere eventually, but this is an indirect process, with most of the highly energetic plasma confined to magnetic flux tubes far above the orbiting space station.
It was coming. (Score:1)
Hey, I wonder if we'll ever be able to manipulate the solar wind as a weapon? It would be a great planetary defense strategy: maybe for taking out an invading army's communication net. What structures would have to be in place for something like that?
Re:excuse (Score:1)
Re:Anything to do with the VHF skip? (Score:1)
yeah, yeah (Score:1)
The BBC reports a solar flare every 3-4 weeks, so far no fun.
I suppose you run to an inner room or basement whenever you hear tornado sirens too.
Even better - time-lapse video of above (Score:1)
MRC (More random comments/crap) (Score:1)
Thank god this planet does have a decent magnetic field (thank you Earth's outer core). One day we can discus helioseismology and magnetopause.
Some ppl have commented about the Northern Lights. I once saw a great display of them except that we had to look to the south and, later on, overhead, to see them. Did I mention that it was freaking cold.
Re:Aw Shoot! (Score:1)
(PA Joke)
Nope... (Score:1)
Eso
This is my sig, and I'm sticking to it:
I'd rather be pepper-sprayed by a mountie,
Re:I think there's something we can all learn... (Score:1)
Is it actually accurate? Is most of the light from the sun caused by incandesence? It seems likely to me that if you have a big ball of plasma, creating and bombarding itself with high energy photons (gamma radiation from fusion) that you'll get some significant ammount of flouresence taking place, but then, I'm no heliologist.
Re:a smaller one hit us on Wednesday (Score:1)
I think one hits us every "Trollin' Tuesday".
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Re:This whole thing... (Score:1)
Re:Sunburn (Score:2)
Global UV on the 10th [nasa.gov]
Global UV on the 11th [nasa.gov]
Global UV on the 12th [nasa.gov]
Global UV on the 13th [nasa.gov]
Global UV on the 14th [nasa.gov]
Global UV on the 15th [nasa.gov] (well, it'll be there tomorrow (Saturday))
Now, to my eye, there's more "higher colour" on today's picture (the 14th). The yellow band goes across the ocean, instead of breaking up. The orange patch over Moscow is larger. The purple patches over Indo-China are huge on Friday.
I suspect there was more UV today than would have been without this solar flare.
And I'm now quite pink. If only I'd had my peril sensitive sunglasses: I'd have just *known* that a major astronomical event had happened, and was about to threaten my life!
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Re:Anything to do with the VHF skip? (Score:1)
Also, I'm hoping we'll be able to view the auroras from here...they've said they should be visible perhaps as far south as Texas and New Mexico. (Imagine...we could be seeing real auroras from Aurora, Colorado...)
Eric
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Re:kick ass, told you i was smart to prepare for y (Score:1)
Highly unlikely there will be any damage? (Score:1)
Let's see.. a maximus occurs every eleven years or so, so by my calculations the last one we had was in 1989. Unlikely there'll be any damage? You might want to read the article [discovery.com] (linked to in the above article) at discovery.com, for some info on what happened in '89. Power disruptions, satellite problems, burgler alarms going off, etc.
lRemember, this isn't the "y2k bug"; the alarmists in this case are knowledgeable, rational scientists that are supposed to know what they're talking about, not uninformed spokespeople and politicians telling us it's the end of the world. Of course, science, particularly that relating to space and other things of which we have little relatively little knowledge, is often not an exact science, but the doomsayers in this case do have history on their side. I'm gonna wear sunscreen just in case.
Re:The last time this happened (Score:1)
Re:Uhh (Score:1)
Re:@#lj$$;kzSDlkjsdf)*)8 (Score:2)
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Any scout leaders out there? (Score:1)
Re:Hydro Quebec (Score:1)
Re: better source of info. (Score:1)
Also check out Nasa's science site [nasa.gov] about this event. They also have an active email newsletter that keeps you up to date on interesting space stuff like this.
Re:SOLAR FLARE SUES NAPSTER (Score:1)
have you considered therapy [fight-club.com]?
Re:a smaller one hit us on Wednesday (Score:1)
Re:Want to see the charts? (Score:2)
Effects on spacecraft outside magnetosphere (Score:1)
The high-energy particles cause bright points on CCDs. This affects things like star trackers and telescopes. Star trackers have a hard time differentiating between the particle hits and the real stars. The telescope images get "snow" in them.
Also, memory bits and other electronic switches can get flipped by impacts of high-energy particles.
disclaimer: I work for SOHO, but I don't speak for them, etc.
Nice WindowMaker widget which shows this stuff (Score:1)
wmSpaceWeather shows this kind of info on a widget.
I can't find a web page, but tarballs are available here [lanl.gov]. rpms and debs are also available from other sources.
Some funky weather here thursday night (Score:1)
I know this is probably unrelated, but it seems to me that the static electricity built up by this kind of storm could do this? Or am I completely off-base here? Anybody have a clue? Anybody reading this?
Re:a smaller one hit us on Wednesday (Score:1)
The event that happened Wednesday, and the one predicted for Friday and Saturday are two parts of the same event. Wednesday the X-rays from this flare/CME event hit, heating up the ionosphere and causing radio interference. Friday and Saturday the charged particles should hit, hopefully whacking the entire magnetosphere around and causing some nice aurora.
The X-rays get to the Earth from the Sun almost instantaeously (well, about 6 minutes IIRC) because they're travelling at the speed of light. The charged particles take several days to get here because they're moving much more slowly.
Re:a smaller one hit us on Wednesday (Score:2)
According to CNN, we were hit by a massiv e solar flare on Wednesday at around 6:30am EDT. Wednesday's flare caused a few blackouts. Today's solar flare was predicted, and was expected to be larger than the one that hit us on Wendesday.
It's the same flare. First, the X-rays hit the atmosphere and generate bursts of RF energy as they interact. Ther the reletivly slow charged particles hit a few days later and potentially cause a geomagnetic storm. The latter event affects technology more than the former.
Re:oribtal tanning salon (Score:1)
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Re:I think there's something we can all learn... (Score:1)
Re:I think there's something we can all learn... (Score:2)
Fluorescence is different but I'm not really clear on how it works; I don't know whether the sun fluoresces or not.
Keep in mind this is all based on my understanding; I am not a physicist and I could be completely wrong.
HAARP? (Score:2)
Homepage here [navy.mil]
This is a controversial project that might be of what you are talking about. There is a book out about it Angels Don't Play this HAARP [xyz.net] by Dr. Nick Begich and Jeane Manning. Pretty good read. Basically states that depending on the frequency that they push up into the sky, they can do some really funky stuff. Good references to some work Tesla has worked on too...