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640 Gig HD in 1U Of Rack Space 94

Posted by CmdrTaco from the oh-yeah-baby dept.
I'm running for prez writes "Network Engines just announced two products that ruin Maxtors previous record of stashing 320 GB in 1U. They are called StorageEngine (4 drives) and StorageArray (8 drives), that both run Ultra160 SCSI (hot swappable). Check out the specs." 640 gigs would be about 192 hours at the top quality tivo record. I could store all my DVDs, all my MP3s, and still have enough room for every episode of South Park and the Simpsons!
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  • Re:First response to technology (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I agree. Slashdot used to be a place where I could come and share some insight on the tech industry. Now it is a place of moral and ethical decadance. People are turning from the path of righteousness and morality and taking a couse of destruction that will only land them in the deepest pits of hell. What can I expect from a socialist, communist, and disturbing idea such as open source and the way it affects the minds of people. I bet most of you, before ever hearing of the blasphemous 'open-source' idea were upstanding moral christians, who loved their country and the democracy we provide. No most of you are pathetic Marxist wannabees. Sad, really.

  • Re:1U? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    1U = 1.75" high, oh and slashcode is giving me this on the preview -

    Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted. PLEASE DON'T USE SO MANY CAPS. USING CAPS IS LIKE YELLING

    nice to see my informative post being stopped by a really lame piece of "smart" software.

  • Re:... (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Thank you, captain obvious
  • Yeah, but how much are they?

    Is anyone else getting really pissed off seeing /. articles for news toys without prices quoted anywhere?

    It's almost like /. is becoming a re-broadcaster of press releases rather than a "news" site.
  • From the specs...
    <BR><BR>
    <I>With the Voyager(TM), you get up to 144 GB of data in 1U (1.75 inches), and an additional 288 GB of storage in a 1U optional disk array called StorageArray(TM), for a total of 432 GB in 2U.</I>
    <BR><BR>
    So, you get 144 GB in 1U from these guys, and Maxtor give you 320 GB. Not exactly a broken record...
    <BR>
  • I thought I'd hit the preview button...
  • Also, you should know that on real RAID systems (real as in real fast) not all of the HD is used. This being the case, if it was worth getting that system and you put 160 GB drives in the machine, I doubt that they would be formated at 160 GB. The access time that is saved by not using the end of the drive is amazing.
  • Yeah, someone was thinking about that on the Linux/s390 list too. It would be nice for some low-bandwidth workloads like disk backups and personal storage. The Fiber I/O is the tough part - I dont think theres a FICON adapter for the PCI bus yet. Maybe the one from the Shark system could be adapted? Would be cool.....


  • I have a 486 dx/2 that's still in use.... what's your point? =)

    (It was my first Linux box. All it new was Slackware. *sniff* those were the days =)
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  • ... (Score:4)

    by Evangelion ( 2145 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @04:39AM (#643267) Homepage

    Bah. 640 Gigs should be enough for anybody.


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  • C'mon, do the math... 8 drives * 36 GB/drive = 288 GB in 1U. That's the add-on box, the main box has half that. Where did the 640 GB figure come from?! The vendor's web site only claims 432 GB in 2U.

    (Still, it's impressive to have multi-TB storage along with a beowulf cluster in one rack :-)
  • On going to the website I see it says they hold 4 x 36GB disks in 1U.
    There is also an "add-on" cabinet that holds another 8 disks, for a total of 12 in 2U.
    That works out to 6 disks (216GB) per 1U.
    A long shot from the 640GB the headline mentions.
  • Since there are (according to thesimpsons.com [thesimpsons.com] ) 243 episodes of the Simpsons - that makes 101.25 hours of programming, assuming 25 minutes per show (some are longer). That leaves you with 92 hours on your disks. Add in the South Park episodes (maybe 15 hours? I don't follow it so much as O.F.F.) and we can only conclude that you only have a dozen DVDs or so, depending on how much music you have.

    (damn thats a lot of Simpsons!)

  • Indeed, in fact they say:

    "Highest density Internet storage available!
    With the Voyager(TM), you get up to 144 GB of data in 1U (1.75 inches), and an additional 288 GB of storage in a 1U optional disk array called StorageArray(TM), for a total of 432 GB in 2U." here [networkengines.com]

    That's "only" 216Gb/Rackunit, not 640. Still pretty neat considering the (physical) size of the RAID array we just bought, but not as big as the headline says.
  • Ok, it's not that impressive, but we pretty much did it with off the shelf parts, and it was very cheap. 12x 75G 7200RPM IBM IDE drives, BX chipset board, redundant hot-swap power supplies, 1G ECC RAM, and 2x PIII-850, Kingston low-profile UDMA66 hot-swap enclosures [storcase.com], and 2 3Ware [3ware.com] 6800 RAID controllers. In an ACME 5U case [acme-technology.co.uk], with just 16 strips of 80mm x 15mm metal (with three holes drilled in each), as the custom hardware ;-)
    I forget the exact cost (this was a few months ago), but it was under $10,000

  • And how are you going to back it up?? (Score:3)

    by Bazman ( 4849 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @05:16AM (#643273) Journal
    Okay, so you've got your 640G of space, better get a DLT drive to back it up. Ooh, an 80GB drive costs 3000 pounds. And then you need eight tapes at 50 pounds a go to do one backup. Might as well get a robot arm to do tape handling. Lets get ten sets of backup tapes and budget for a quarterly archive copy...

    You do backup your hard disk dont you?
  • Yea, apart from that thing too the /. article talked of 640GB in 1U .. something which doesn't seem to add up.

    StorageEngine 4 x 36GB = 144GB

    StorageArray 8 x 36GB = 288GB

    That's 2Us to get 432GB .. umm???

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  • Yea, up to over 70GB for IDE .. I think SCSI's largest (widely available) disks are about 50GB, still nothing to sneeze at but for doing the maths on this one it still doesn't add up right in *ONE* U.

    Even in 2Us, 12 x 50GB drives is 600GB. That's 4 in the smaller one and 8 in the larger one.


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  • Ah right.. yes, I didn't really browse around much I have to admit. I wasn't really thinking that the company was 'lying' about it.. just that I was confused about the /. headline. Maxtor still holds the 'record' it seems.

    It's all a huge amount of space nevertheless :)

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  • Umm well you could set the drives up in a RAID 0 or 5 configuration. Granted with RAID 1 you would need two of these or lose half of the space. With RAID 5 you would either have to give up some of the space or buy three of these.

  • crime?? (Score:2)

    by Jose ( 15075 )
    In what way is it a crime to have mp3's/dvd's?
    Who wants to sit there and swap CD's in and out of a piddly little 6 disc changer...when you could simply rip them on to hard drive, and relax with a remote?

    Same deal with DVD's...

    The first thing I do when I get a new CD is rip it. As soon as you get a couple of little scratches on a CD, it'll skip to no end...what if you leave that CD somewhere, or someone steals it...it is much nicer to have a backup, so you don't have to worry about....you just burn it.
    This is such a good idea, that the Canadian Gov't is charging you for the privilege!

  • And what am I suposed to back it up to?

    Just what is the size of current backup tape systems that one might use to archive this puppy.

    For home systems the new large HDs are making a backup nightmare. Right now I backup from one system to another, and cut CDs of new stuff, but it's difficult to keep up with my digital camera's output.

  • All that space.... (Score:5)

    by BRock97 ( 17460 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @04:18AM (#643280) Homepage
    ...and you still couldn't do a full install of Mandrake 7.2.

    Bryan R.
  • As someone who's interested in the future of private, anonymous file sharing and mp3, I take offense at people who break the law by pirating mp3s.

    I have mp3'd my (read: "my") entire album collection of 150 CDs, and it's using 17GB. Either you have several thousand CDs, or you're doing damage to the filesharing case by stealing music.

    If you listen to a piece of music, and you want to keep listening to it, buy it. If you don't like it, delete it. Prove to the RIAA that we're good customers, not pirates.

    bye.

  • I have mp3'd my (read: "my") entire album collection of 150 CDs, and it's using 17GB. Either you have several thousand CDs, or you're doing damage to the filesharing case by stealing music.

    Idiot. Your purchacing profile may not match the next persons. I've almost filled my third Sony 500 disk changer.

    Also, what speed are you encoding at? Me, I can't stand MP3 artifacting, which can be heard loud and clear on my mid-end Kenwood system, so when and if I convert, it will be for the sake of creating quick playing playlists, not compression, and will be at 256k. (A friend is upset that I pointed out the very audiable artifacting in places like Dennys and IHOP music... it now drives him nuts).

    On the other hand, of course, my truck sound system is good, but not great, and I'll take the hit in quality to get 10 hours of music onto one CD.

    --
    Evan

  • The site contradicts itself so much that there is no way to tell. On one page [networkengines.com] it says that it holds 4 disks in 1u, on another [networkengines.com] it says it holds 432 gig in 2u, and on yet another page [networkengines.com] it says it holds 8 disks in 1u (which would give you your 640 gig with 8 80 gig drives).

    Do a little research yourself and see that there is not humanly possible way to understand the product (or products?) from the website. Don't just start with your tyrannical "slashdot sucks" sh*t. You obviously are far from perfect. And if you don't like slashdot, then don't read it. what are you trying to prove anyways?

    troll

    Nicodemus
  • In school, we priced everything out as 12packs or kegs.

    "Hmmm, that memory is going to cost 2.5 kegs... is it really worth that for 12 megs?"

    It really helps put things in perspective.
  • 640 K^HGigabytes should be enough for anyone...

    ;)
  • I looked and saw it was made up of 18 or 32 Gb disks, I figured that some sort of tardis effect was required to get 600Gb into a 1u space.
    (thats 20 disks + RAID overhead).

    Nope, just shoddy reporting thats all.

  • I work with people who could use it... (Score:3)

    by Raleel ( 30913 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @05:19AM (#643287)
    It was really a scary experience for me when I started my job at the national lab. It was like a whole other world of computing. I came from a small school where we cleaned off 10 megabytes of cache to preserve disk space. Here, I had a guy look me in the eye and say, quite honestly, that he needed 10 TB (terabytes) of storage to get his work done "adequately" and he could really use 70 TB. I just could not believe that. We recently purchased a 2TB array, and it's not even remotely enough. Those damn scientists and all their data ;)
  • Fezzig, jog his memory!
  • Hmmm... 10 of these would give you 5.76TB of Raid5, with 8 hot failover drives. Put 4-8GB of PC266 DDR SDRAM cache behind it, plus fiber I/O channels, and you've got the hardware to support a Linux-based Enterprise-class SAN server....

  • Neither design is either very revolutionary or very reliable from the looks of their respective websites. I still don't see where whomever posted the /. note got 640mb, because the math simply doesn't add up. The only thing I can figure is if they are releasing a StorageArray with 72gb drives and haven't gotten around to posting it yet.

    As for that ExaDrive 3U unit, it looks extremely sketchy at best. I mean, I don't know how far I trust the combination of Fibre Channel and IDE in the first place, but they aren't even using ATA100 drives, you can't hot swap ONE drive at a time, you need to remove the 2 drive tray to do it, which leaves me at a loss as to how it would even work. There are no specs on the drives themselves other than the fact that they're ATA66. And how can you trust a company to build a reliable SAN-ready array when they can't even build a website?

    Ugh, IDE is NOT the way to go for any type of serious storage solution, I don't care how cheap you need it.
  • Yea Yea 640GB but check out that perty design on the case. Now if that's not enought to make you want to buy it I don't know what will be.

    Talk about being in touch with your feminine side.

  • Also, you should know that on real RAID systems (real as in real fast) not all of the HD is used. This being the case, if it was worth getting that system and you put 160 GB drives in the machine, I doubt that they would be formated at 160 GB. The access time that is saved by not using the end of the drive is amazing.

    It's also worth noting that you lose a lot of disk space by choosing RAID, simply due to parity. They're also not including a hot spare in the calculations.

    S.
  • From http://www.networkengines.com/st ora gengine.htm [networkengines.com]


    Highest density Internet storage available!
    With the Voyager(TM), you get up to 144 GB of data in 1U (1.75 inches), and an additional 288 GB of storage in a 1U optional disk array called StorageArray(TM), for a total of 432 GB in 2U.


    I'm not sure how 432 GB in 2U is equal to 640 GB in 1U. The press release [networkengines.com] for the StorageEngine again only mentions the 144 GB in 1U/432 GB in 2U.

    VA Linux and IBM both have a partnership with Network Engines for their 1U server box. This article [cnet.com] has more info.
  • Not quite.. on the fastest RAID, RAID 0, you use the entire drive (assume they are all the same size). You must be referring to RAID 5, which does use at least on parity drive, but is not as fast as RAID 0 (all else being equal).
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  • Right, but for pure hard-core geek factor, the bad ass 3U, 24 drive, dual fibre channel exadrive is what i want in my living room :)
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  • That's nothing (Score:3)

    by levendis ( 67993 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @04:26AM (#643296) Homepage
    Here's a nifty product [exadrive.com] - 1.8 Tb (thats 1843 gigs, kiddies) in 3U. And its got dual Fibre Channel ports (as opposed to Network Engine's single U160 SCSI), for a max throughtput of about 200MB/s. I don't thinks its released yet, but I've seen some beta units and this thing rocks.
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  • You expect /. to be self consistant?

    640 == 8 * 80G. THERE ARE NO 80G U160 drives on the market. If we go by press spew, IBM has 140G drives. The largest SCSI drives one can purchase right now are 75G (from Seagate, Quantum/Maxtor, and IBM.)

    Has no one done the math on the heat 8 x 10,000 RPM drives stuffed in 19" x 1.75" x 24" -- stacked 42 high? (Each drive draws about 18W of electicity...)
  • The StorageEngine (4 32G disks) must talk to the StorageArray which has the 8 32G disks Combined the two get the 432G storage.

  • It must glow in the dark (Score:5)

    by selectspec ( 74651 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @04:20AM (#643299)
    on the side the label reads:

    Warning: Do not stand within 6 feet of StorageArray. Keep StorageArray away from small children or pregnant mothers. Handle StorageArray with extreme caution. Always were saftey goggles when working with StorageArray. Do not taunt Storage Array.

  • Actually it is totally possible for this to exist. The projections from all my storage vendors have said that 160G U160 drives should be coming out at the end of the year from Seagate. A quick look on their site shows that the max they're shipping now is 73G, but I'm sure they have 160's produced and are just getting vendor qualification right now. My guess is that these guys just pre-anounced their 4x160 model.

    My beef though with large drives is that server vendors keep increasing the minimum root disk size. A 36G root disk is such a waste of space when you just install the OS on it, which takes at most 2G. 4's and 9's made the perfect root disks, but those have gone the way of the dodo.

  • url for ordering the deluxe version? (Score:3)

    by drfireman ( 101623 ) <dan.kimberg@com> on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @04:50AM (#643301) Homepage
    I wanted to order the CmdrTaco version, with all those DVD's, MP3's, Simpsons and South Park episodes pre-loaded, but I couldn't find the ordering page on CmdrTaco.net. Please advise.
  • Lets see.. as of sunday there are 250 episodes of the simpsons.

    so lets say 250 episodes at 24 mins each (a good estimate for removing commercials)
    thats 6000 mins of simpsons, which comes out to ~100 hours..
    i belive there are about 50 episodes of southpark (guessing)
    at 24 mins each that comes out to 20 hours...
    ....
    damn thats alot of space..

  • With ~1400 vinyl LPs to transfer, using .wav samples instead of mp3, which loses quality, 640G is marginal. If you include any DVD quality video a 8Gb/s, you'll fill it up pretty quick too.

    Sound and video are still big. I've figured it would easily take 1TB of storage to archive my existing audio in a quality I wouldn't worry about. MP3 and 1.5Mb/s MPEG rot as far as quality goes.

    -dB

  • I still don't see where whomever posted the /. note got 640mb, because the math simply doesn't add up.

    I think we're all puzzling about that one. You're right that neither storage solution looks particularly fly - the Exadrive will need some serious controllers on the backplane to cope with the dumbness of the IDE drives. Note also Exadrive's RAID options - 0, 1 and 1+0. Raid O I can't see working too well with those IDE drives, ATA66 or not (there's a lot more i/o requests involved there, and IDE isn't your man for that) - RAID 1 is great if you can afford to halve your disk capacity for redundancy. RAID 10 (1+0) combines both of these glorious cons in one great product!

    Save your pennies and get a proper SCSI RAID controller & backplane.

  • Get myself a couple of these babies and then I could back up my dvd collection.

    Oh hang on, I'm not allowed to do that, aren't I, hehe.

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  • -----
    A single purpose server appliance, StorageEngine Voyager provides exceptional performance with up to 144 GB of data in 1U (1.75 inches), and an additional 288 GB of storage in a 1U optional disk array called StorageArray?, for a total of 432 GB in 2U. Pricing for StorageEngine Voyager begins at under $15,000.
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    Too bad Maxtor still blows them out of the water with the Price/MB ratio. The 340 (320?) MaxAttach is $4500! And what's this total of 432GB in 2U? That is from a press release published today! Don't know where you got the 600+GB in 1U number.

    -Pete
  • if you put those in a Beowulf cluster.

    No way, I want to fill a rack with them. Let's see, 42 of these, 640GB each... that works out to 26.25TB. Terabytes. That's enough space for Rob to store TEN MONTHS of music...
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  • That's enough space for Rob to store TEN MONTHS of music...

    Ooops. That should read TEN MONTHS of TiVo.

    You could also store a copy of almost every DVD ever made. Might need two racks to get them all. Suddenly the idea of being able to watch any movie you want, anytime you want, doesn't sound so farfetched.
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  • What about music I make myself ? What about non-music MP3's ? What about stuff thats "freely downloadable" (lets say you wanted to archive every mp3 on mp3.com for the next 20 years).

    Not all myp3's are non-distributable.
  • How has the performance been on the 3Ware controllers? I have been thinking about doing the same thing with 80Gb drives.

  • Nope - it's a lame attempt at very subtle humour.
  • ...do the math with bigger drives...

    Heck drives are up over 70 gigs now...

  • ...get an inverter and put it in your car.

    I have one for my laptop that works quite nicely. Plug it in to the lighter - and 120V AC comes out...
  • ...how some people relate storage space to their lives.

    Some people think about it in number of CD's (or even floppies) it is worth... Others think about the database it could hold.

    Rob thinks about how much music he could fill it with.

  • Re:Record-breaking? Nope... (Score:5)

    by DrWiggy ( 143807 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @05:25AM (#643315)
    Funnily enough, I was about to mention that. Nowhere on their website that I can see does it mention the figure 640Gb. Anywhere. What's more, I can't even see it in the original submitted article. Is CmdrTaco on crack or something? Here is the spec sheet. If you can see where it says 640Gb, please point it out to me. I had considered that /. is using a new numbering convention whereby 640Gb == 432Gb but I don't remember seeing the announcement. If somebody could just find the article and let me know. It doesn't even work if you convert into octal or anything, even if you do it really badly. :-)

    Configuration
    • Intel processor
    • 512 MB DRAM
    • Solid state RAM boot device
    • Four hot-swap SCSI 10,000 RPM hard disks, 18GB or 36 GB
    • Maximum storage capacity of 432 GB with 36 GB disks
    • Single-channel Ultra160 RAID controller with 32 MB DRAM and battery back-up
    • Dual 10/100BT auto-configuring Ethernet ports
    • Redundant hot-swap fans
    • System Maintenance Bus for out-of-band management, Cluster Maintenance
    • Bus external connection for easy integration with a Network Engines management cluster
    • Sliding rails for both Telco and cabinet racks
    So, the only thing I can consider is that somebody has worked out that this thing will take 4 SCSI hard drives, and that if they could lay their hands on some disks in the 160Gb region, they could them in here and they would have 640Gb of storage. Mmmm'kay? So, in actual fact there is no commercial product on the market from these people on sale right now, ready to go, with that storage. What's more, even if I do buy this hunk of crap, and I do manage to lay my hands on disks that size (and my bank manager allows me to pay for them), I'm going to have to invalidate any support/warranty agreements with them. Fantastic.

    There are times, when I really want to give up on /. when stories like this appear. This isn't news (it hasn't been researched), it's not even cool (because it's not true), it's not even lame (because it might lead to a conversation about cheap storage arrays), it's just.... just... so *slashdot*...
  • Wow... so will we be replacing the Library of Congress with a single rack any time soon?

    :)

    Sid

  • Wow that would digital tv better, and imaging an FTP site using this, oh god the fun I could have with movies, MP3s etc. The question I have is what is the Cost?????
  • You'll run out--when you start storing movies there.

    It's human nature to find a use for all available storage.

    --- Speaking only for myself,

  • Someone give me ONE good reason we shouldn't have a cartoon talking dog for president. I dare you.

    Turpentine. Didn't you ever see "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"?!

    -Mark

  • At least the exadrive doesn't look like a toy. What's up with the Network Engine's Fisher-Price like case? Pretty soon where going to have iStorage racks!
  • With the Voyager(TM), you get up to 144 GB of data in 1U (1.75 inches), and an additional 288 GB of storage in a 1U optional disk array called StorageArray(TM), for a total of 432 GB in 2U
    Actually, it's only 432 GB in 2U of rack space.
  • ...or you download free music. I personally have about 30 gigs of mp3s and the majority of these are free shows by bands that allow and encourage taping and trading of their shows. You can get just about every grateful dead and phish show ever done somewhere online if you look (and my 30 gigs includes none of their shows). I bet all those could possibly hit a few hundred gigs.

    I don't like people pirating mp3s either but don't assume just cuz someone has lots of mp3s they are breaking the law, its this sort of thinking that gets me in trouble.
    -Stype
  • No entertainment collection is complete without all 85 Robotech episodes (and sundry bits)!

    I'm so ashamed of you I am even *trolling*

  • I hear that. but, with something that expensive you can't just add it to a shopping cart and select your quantity and off you go. Did you check out thier site? You have to enter in some personal iformation to just discuss your purchase with a representitive. Like buying a car probably.
  • It would be nice if everyone thought like you. But that isn't the way it is. There will always be the few that can ruin it for the rest of us. Pirating CANNOT be stopped by enforcing "be a good customer". It has to be stopped higher up in the chain. The encoding layer. DVD's for instance, Macrovision and CSS is the best effort this worlds had. It's kind of sad really.
  • So, 640GB huh? how much $$$? I seem to have a habbit of using my HD space whether I have and interest in what I am downloading or not. Oh c'mon, I know you are out there. The space just disappears and the next thing you know you are archiving like 60GB of crap, but you don't delete it? This is the PC Packrat's dream. The question is, how many banks must I rob for something like that eh?
  • > Uhm... "duh": Buy _two_... :)

    Don't know how serious you are--but in a
    serious production environment, that is,
    of course, not adequate. You generally
    need an ability to keep *at least* about
    six backup/archival copies. At our site,
    we keep 24 plus incrementals.

    Chris Mattern
  • I could store all my DVDs, all my MP3s, and still have enough room for every episode of South Park and the Simpsons!

    I bet it couldn't store all my pr0n though =D

  • And it's scary, believe me. Check this out, from the original submission.
    "Network Engines just announced two products that ruin Maxtors previous record of stashing 320 GB in 1U.

    Let's say that again with the proper emphasis.
    "Network Engines just announced two products that ruin Maxtors previous record of stashing 320 GB in 1U.

    See? Two Products 320 GB in 1U. A product is the result of multiplication, right? Two (times) 320 GB in 1U = 640 GB in 1U.

    Now you too understand CmdrTaco. Welcome to my nightmare.

    Steven
  • Those devices are pretty different. 1.8TB is SAN, There is now NFS server, which is not bad, but very different, as you will need a computer to provide such service. Othwerwise it can be used just as a big hardrives, splitted (not shared), between computers it connected to.
  • And in 3 years we'll be able to afford a 640 gig hard disk to store all our mp3's, movies ripped from vcr's, but will our internet bw keep up? Naaaah
  • You could always get a DLT library. I don't have any idea what they cost since we got ours before I started working here but it holds 15 DLT tapes for 1050 GB of storage compressed. Although I agree that the cost of tapes is just scary.

  • I wont certainly be first who takes words of Big Bill (ironicaly) into my mouth...: Nobody will ever need more than 640k RAM. (Curious, see the numbers..?)

    One of the major conditions for licence of building a celular-phone in a country where I live, was ability to eavesdrop phone calls and archive them for two weeks. Selected phones on demand (e.g. by police, ingeligence agency, ...) had to be eavesdropped for an unlimited period of time.

    I do not remember exact resulting number, but units were terabytes. Before you start your brains up, few numbers... 1.2 milions celular phones (5.5 mil. residents total - small country :-)). ...and now guess the numbers for U.S. ...hey... do you know echelon at all? ;-)

    Cpt. Wheel

  • "Maximum storage capacity of 432 GB with 36 GB disks"

    What's the deal?

    Regards
  • And I think about how much teen porn I could store on it. mmmm

    Regards
  • Is that all the MP3s you have? Geez, expand your musical tastes or something. I'd need three of these just to store my MP3s alone.
    Water Paradox

  • null data (Score:4)

    by neuneu ( 232546 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @04:27AM (#643338)
    640 gigs would be about 39321600 hours of unused space. I could store all my blank files, and still have enough room for every empty directories!
  • Why the hell all your MP3's? With this kind of storage capacity, do you really think it's necassary to compress music? Wave files, here I come!
  • How about the Vatican's pr0n collection?
  • This of course, is a derivative of:

    "640K ought to be enough for anybody..." Bill Gates - 1984(?).
  • At least I post with my user id - not AC.
  • 25 minutes is too high. The standard is 22 min for a half hour show, and I doubt they could go up to 23 min without some serious scheduling problems.
  • 25 minutes is too high. The standard is 22 min for a half hour show, and I doubt they could go up to 23 min without some serious scheduling problems.
  • And after you store all of your .WAVs and MP3s on this thing, you better get a new amp - You'll need more wattage just to hear the tunes over the roar of the platters and fans. Then again, if you set this box on top of your desk and blocked the fans you'd probably have the world's only multigig disk unit/waffle iron. ;-)
  • I have 9 free disk bays left on my mid tower. I want 250 gig hds to appear so i can buy a few and never run out again. When are they going to appear?

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday November 07, 2000 @04:29AM (#643347)
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  • IBM is bringing out the Ultrastar 73LZX series next month, Ultra160/LVD 73.2gb in a 3.5"x1" form factor.
  • Actually, the season premier of the Simpsons this past sunday was the 250th episode...

    SO... add 175 minutes to the total already...

    I guess thats a few less DVD's...
  • 640 Gigs of hard drive space. Now, I could see it would be handy for giant corporations like for servers, web hosts, and giant people (cough microsoft, government). but whats the point for having it at home for use. sure we could store a whole bunch of things, like videos, mp3s, movies, etc. etc. but we really aren't going to fill 640 gigs, (unless you just want to, junk filler). anyways, it would be nice to have all that free room around. You'll never have to worry about buying another hard drive again, until that 1 Terabyte drive comes out ;)
  • Oh remember that first you have to wait 3 years for it to be supported by Mandrake... oh the waiting, anyways back to solitaire

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