The Future of Consumer Electronics 50
AntiFreeze writes "There is an interesting article from the Economist about the future of consumer electronics. The article seems to tie together a lot of loose strings generated on slashdot, specifically from the Playstation and Deep Blue article. The most important claim it makes is that consumer electronics are not being made in a monopolistic industy, and the fears of people like Eurodef (expressed here) are probably not as large as they seem at first evaluation." This is a really worthwhile article discussing convergence and the difference betweent he traditional consumer electronics and computing companies. Worth a read.
Re:Pagers? (Score:1)
Re:Geekizoid! (Score:1)
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Fun (Score:1)
No really I miss the days when my digital watch was cool. The one with a calculator built in so I could cheat on my multiplication test in 6th grade. Do they even make those anymore? I haven't seen one in a while.
I just want simple electronic things without all the extras. I don't want On-Star calling the highest priced mechanic in the land when I need to change my oil. I can do it myself. I miss my 36 inch black & white TV. No really I had a 36 inch B&W TV. It was state of the art for 1958!
thank you for reading this far
counting chickens before they... (Score:2)
In theory we all would love to think they're neccessities and they sure have simplified things in major ways, but remember the world was fine without them. I carry the whole bit, cell, palm, laptop, motorola x1000 typewriting pager and so much other stuff sometimes I have to stop and ask, "Why do I need this for?". Its mostly a gimmick we tell ourselves is a need because we're in the techie field, but the bottom line is millions survive and do just fine without something as common as a cellular phone.
Palm hopes that the future will hold a similar fate for digital wireless, and they are probably right. We won't *need* to check our email and stock quotes while waiting on a table at a restaurant, but we will come to expect the capability, and many will become somewhat dependant on it.
Don't get me wrong on my post I am not against signifying anything is the next best thing, but I do think in both now and yesterday as history does tend to repeat itself. Take a look at NASDAQ and the pounding its taking, now take 1000 investors and sell them wireless. Have them dump billions into it only to have some new technology come out next month. Its counting chickens before they hatch my friend
Is this a joke? (Score:1)
Yes, everything I buy today is exactly as it was in '75. Ahh...now where did I put that Super-8 movie projector that my grandfather gave me? I still have some fine Charlie Chaplin movies for it...
Re:A conservative twist? (Score:2)
Polices that prohibit dumping toxic waste into wells interfere with open markets. Yet everyone I know seems to prefer such policies, and damn the market.
It is a great mistake to act in accordance with the rules of some economic system. We permit capitalism, because we can exploit the efficiencies that it's capable of, in the same manner that we have domesticated dogs to serve us, or grow crops to feed us. If any of those behaves in a manner that is threatening to people (tricky to see wrt plants, but possible - kudzu, for instance) we put them down.
I certainly don't know of a better system to harness than capitalism. There may not even be one, though I rather hope that there is. But when capitalistic entities like companies do things that are not socially acceptable, it is of greater import that society win. I am not a capitalist, I am a capitalist-keeper. It's useful to me, but that's the only reason why it's worth keeping around.
If it's decided, for instance, that having a minimum wage that people can subsist on is essential, then that's yet another ground rule that capitalists had better work within. Adopt such ideas widely enough, and unlimited capitalism doesn't look so healthy.
Most people aren't, I suspect, capitalists, for they want the benefits without paying any of the price. Yet sadly, when they organize in groups, and work for businesses, they seem to leave their personal desires and consciences at home; doesn't matter. Whether they want to foist it off or not, they're responsible for what they do. I just wish they'd realize it.
Technology overflow. (Score:2)
Specificly, there is the trend of putting a microproccessor in every appliance in your house so your refrigerator can talk to your stove who can talk to your toaster who can talk to your washing machine. It doesn't have to be something as extreme as this; for example there's a banner on top of this very page for a digital camera is also an mp3 player. Why would I want to stick headphones in a camera? Why would I want to carry around a camera if I just wanted to listen to music? Besides the sheer novelty of the device, it's practicality is limited (especially when you consider the price). It'll sell, but not enough to keep a company afloat. While it may not matter to a big company who's already established in another market, it would matter to a smaller company trying to enter the market, because they would lose their investment in R&D and manufacturing.
In the eternal search for the next Big Thing, there's bound to be a lot of useless toys along the way.
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Re:Price dumping? (Score:5)
And as soon as someone hacks the box to run Linux, we should help MS sell a LOT of boxes.
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Re:new industries (Score:1)
I hope my reformatting of your comment helps you understand ;-) Free and liberal have very similar meanings. Free market economics is based upon an ideology that the government should not impede our freedoms to enter into contracts with each other and trade freely with each other.
The "free" in free market means libre (as opposed to gratis).
The REAL Difference of the Consumer Electronics (Score:1)
I have tried to repair in the repair shop my grandma's new VCR that has just got out of luck and 90-days warranty. The cost of repair was 99$ (pretty much labor alone) with the purchase price of $160.
And it was not just me screwed, it was the idea that a lot of goods nowadays are wearables that are cheaper to replace than to repair. It's easy to see that most of the gadgets satisfy this rule.
Think about typical PC owner. If his 2-yr old computer breaks down (or needs upgrade), the cost of diagnosing it will be at least an hour of labor, and the price of the parts for an old computer might be higher than the price of similar parts for the new one (surprise, surprise! If you don't believe me, check the price of EDO or even 66-mhz SD RAM at Fry's). The reason is that as soon as some component ceases to be a mainstream, the volume goes down and it becomes expensive. It is much easier just to add a three to four hundreds and buy a brand new PC.
So, for the majority of the owners PC is already a consumer electronics; the only things they can easily replace are external devices like monitor, mouse or speakers.
Similar trends happen in the automotive industry. Every Haynes manual tells how to rebuild an alternator, but how many owners does that if the rebuild one is so cheap? Also, the amount of repairs that can be made without any special (and superexpensive) tools is decreasing rapidly.
A very clever columnist for the Automobile mag named Robert Cumberford wrote a couple of years ago that no modern car will become classic because the cost of keeping one on the road is outrageous. As an example, 10 years old cars had a 5$ headlight bulbs whether the new ones have a $500 HID lamps. The same applies to the other parts. Everyone could disassemble the engine 30 years ago, only some shops who specialize in it can do it now.
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Re:The Economist - well worth reading (Score:1)
There are some good magazines with real reporting, great writing, and genuine insight published in the US. Try Harper's, Atlantic Monthly (great web site at www.theatlantic.com), or the New Yorker for starts. For that matter, Wired has some good articles, too bad it's loaded with so much advertisement though.
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Re:Euroderf is a troll (Score:1)
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Re:The Future of Products (Score:2)
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A conservative twist? (Score:2)
Not that you asked but The Economist is a British publication that leans to the right.
What I got from this article was the basic conservative message about international trade. After all, it seemed to concentrate on why Japanese electronic firms might or will be declining. While the publication may be British, this article was written for the US publication of the magazine. The message seemed to be that the American Computer companies might reduce market share from the Japanese electronic firms. I hate to generalize but conservatives (in the US) support US industries with tariffs (to "protect" them). They also emphasize the "trade gap" between the US and foreign nations in an effort to boost their position against allowing more foreign trade. And they also fight for less foreign investment in US interests.
Now I may be reading too much into this article. After all most electronic firms are Japanese and most computer companies are American. Yet I get the feeling that there is a "Made in the USA" angle to what this column is saying. Anyone else agree? Or am I reading too much into what the article is saying?
PS After I wrote this comment, I had another look at the cartoon on the top of the page. Why does the computer have an American flag on it?
hold on to your Yokohama's (Score:4)
I beg to differ on this note, I believe most American firms outsourced their business to foreign firms since it was much cheaper to go that route as opposed to American's spending so much and getting little in return as opposed to say that American companies turned "poor earnings". This can be seen with Zenith who for years made products in America, although not as good or as cheap as the Asian counterparts, nevertheless they still had a market.
Not only are their structuring plans pretty well rounded, but if you take a look at academia abroad, you will notice the will of foreigners such as Japanese who try to go out and expand, look at America, we glorify glamour, and most of the students here aren't as willing to learn as foreign counterparts. (this is again my thoughts so flame on)
Nonsense this is a very huge MS'ish based arguement, not all software demands revenue as show with the Open Source Movement. To think that computing relies on solely vendors such as Microsoft, MacIntosh, or Sun Microsystems is bogus.
Sorry to remind so many people, but Palm is not a neccessity, furthermore for the company to rely on selling content, well take a look at Yahoo's slow fall last week. Along with that take note that wireless is too NOT a neccessity.
Anyways my rantings are over.
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Re:Price dumping? (Score:1)
Fun town? (Score:1)
See the point? Its just not efficient to have dozends of devices, spilling your memo, your
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Most home computing (Score:1)
10 years from now, your HDTV will either have a GeForce 7 built into it, or the web box attached to it will, and it will be able to perform all the functions a PC does. "Hey, we need a keyboard attachment with word processor!" MS will be there. "Hey, we need a mouse too, and good voice recognition!" MS will be there. "Hey, we need a spreadsheet program, too!" MS will be there.
Re:Price dumping? (Score:1)
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Re:Price dumping? (Score:2)
It's just the way the business works, for every console sold, they expect to sell potentially dozens of games.
DC, PS, and PS2 are all being sold at a loss. As long as the platform catches on (which can be paritally assured by dumping lots of these consoles on people) they could give the consoles away and still expect wide profit margins on the games.
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The Economist - well worth reading (Score:1)
Should be on every geek's reading list!
Re:Internet Outlet (Score:2)
Internet Outlet (Score:3)
Bizare, this picture is so alive in my head, I swear I can see how all this will work! I could not see that even five years ago and yet today, this seems more than feasible to me, what abou you?
Re:new industries (Score:1)
What, particularly, makes you consider them economically liberal? They've always seemed like staunch defenders of free-market operation to me. Don't make the mistake of assuming that because they don't at all resemble American Republicans (a rare breed, them) they're not fairly conservative by world, and especially Commonwealth, standards.
Re:Fun (Score:1)
BTW, commas continue to be a useful type of punctuation.
Re:Internet Outlet (Score:1)
Could I plug my wife into the wall and turn her on from work?
Asikaa
Re:new industries (Score:4)
1.)Starting a car company is incredibly capital-intensive and will always be so, just because you're making a very large bulky object. D'you have any idea how much an industrial sheet-metal press costs for instance? Or prime real estate with good access to transportation networks like highways and railroads? Breaking into the electronics market is no where near as difficult -- most of your raw materials, i.e. individual parts made by sub-contractors, are small enough to ship by UPS. Hard still, but not nearly so difficult as trying to compete with GM from your basement.
2.)Cars and their antecedants, wagons, donkeys, whatever, fulfil a pretty basic need -- they attempt to get you and your shit from point A to point B as quickly and comfortably as technology allows -- as this need is fairly immutable, you don't see a lot of basic structural change, only improvements: you add a wagon to your donkey, then a couple thousand years later you replace the donkey with an engine, pretty soon you start making the wagon out of metal instead of wood, et cetera. Most consumer electronics don't fill any long standing need like this: it's either shit you don't really need, like networkable coffee machines; or shit you didn't know you needed until someone invented it, like the PC, GPSs, whatever. So unlike the automotive industry, the fundamental demand-side market forces are liable to change very quickly, and it's much easier to come out of left field with some new gadget which doesn't so much address a demand as create a demand.
Like empires, I think all monopolies are doomed from their very beginnings. The premise of each is that one guy gets to be god and everyone else grovels. The human will to power -- the fact that almost all of us would rather be in charge if we had the choice -- ensures they'll eventually break down. And fear of monopolies is a very American thing, just like distrusting the government.
"The Economist" pretty much rocks. I recommend it to all /.ers for good, if rather right-wing analysis of current events. All your Consumer Price Index forecasts are belong to us.
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Re:The Economist - well worth reading (Score:1)
The science and technology section is excellent though. I find it better written these days than Scientific American, which seems to have been dumbed down.
Re:new industries (Score:1)
When it is liberal economically, it looks right wing. But when it is liberal socially it looks left wing.
They are just generally very enthusiastic liberals, much in coincidence with my own views.
Re:Internet Outlet (Score:1)
OSGi has standardized a Java programming environment which should allow programs from different vendors to coexist. It should support lots of different network technology, e.g. X10, LonWorks, HAVi, Bluetooth and device technology such as Jini and UPnP etc. So it should be able to connect everything in the home.
It's possible to download a start kit from Gatespace [gatespace.com] and test it. There isn't that much voodoo, it's mostly plain Java with some interfaces you have to implement (there is no main). Code from different vendors are loaded from different class loaders to avoid name space collisions.
A Service Gateway is probably not a PC which the ordinary user has to reinstall and reboot; it's a friendly device which my mother could use. It's possible that I subscribe to the service and that it is my phone, electricity, or cable TV company that really administrate it. Of course it is always on and let's me control my home from the internet (e.g. when I forget to program the video).
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Re:Internet Outlet (Score:1)
Furthermore I'm connected to said ISP with this marvellous little thingy called "RJ-45". Oh my, what will they think of next?
All saracsm aside, the "problems" has already been solved.
Re:Fun (Score:1)
Re:A conservative twist? (Score:1)
It's a great magazine -- really the only source for quality international news in the States. I've taken it for years, and I'm as anti-capital as you can get.
Just my
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Pagers? (Score:1)
What about Pagers? It seems like everyone has a pager these days.
new industries (Score:3)
The Future of Products (Score:1)
Re:Pagers? (Score:1)
Emerging Technologies (Score:2)
Anyway, my point is - soon the frivilous "unpatentable" crap will sift itself out (One-Click, anyone?), but I'm quite sure we'll be left with the New-VHSs and the New-Refigerater-coils and the New-Heater-elements-in-Toasters and each new thing will have the stamp of whoever had the minion that thought of it. Whoever happens to get The Big One will gain more influence over the technologies emerging at that time and they'll get their stamp on more things and so on...Soon, there will be the Microsoft Of The Kitchen and the Microsoft Of Home Theatre and so on.
Who knows? Maybe they'll be the same Microsoft we have today.
Price dumping? (Score:2)
Re:Technology overflow. (Score:1)
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Re:hold on to your Yokohama's (Score:1)
Sorry to remind so many people, but Palm is not a neccessity
No it isn't a necessity. But you have to think forward. Be carefull not to sound like the executive who once said that a 286 is the fastest personal computer you will ever need. A PC is not a necessity now, nor was it then.
furthermore for the company to rely on selling content, well take a look at Yahoo's slow fall last week.
Agreed.
Along with that take note that wireless is too NOT a neccessity.
Again, it isn't a necessity, but are cellular phones a necessity? Ten years ago we would have laughed at the idea of phones being a necessity. Today, they still aren't an absolute necessity, but plenty of people are still depending on them. Palm hopes that the future will hold a similar fate for digital wireless, and they are probably right. We won't *need* to check our email and stock quotes while waiting on a table at a restaurant, but we will come to expect the capability, and many will become somewhat dependant on it.
It's all relative. But wireless is a very safe bet for major growth.
Nothing new under the sun (Score:4)
Yeah, I liked this idea the first time [apple.com] I heard it, about an hour into the presentation. Good to see it confirmed by the "respectable" press.
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