Ever Improving Laptop 132
Every few months I see a new laptop that really impresses me, and
Hanno submitted one that does that with room to spare.
PaceBlade has a transmeta chip, PCMCIA, irda, USB and all the usual stuff... except that it features a removable ir keyboard, and can be used as a traditional laptop, or as a workpad sorta thing with a pen. Expected release around the middle of the year with a $2k price tag... I'm super skeptical of that price.
Re:All that tech for powerpoint (Score:1)
Re:Not specifying the bgcolor (Score:2)
"<body bgcolor="..." > is deprecated in HTML 4 and later, as it is a presentational attribute and should be implemented in CSS instead."
That's as maybe, but this page uses neither HTML nor CSS to specify a background colour. The white background on the image, however, suggests that the designers were not allowing for the fact that many users may have a default background colour other than white.
There are well-designed sites which don't override your default stylesheet, and which still manage to look acceptable against different background colours, but this isn't one of them. The only example I can think of right now is Yahoo!, but there are a number of guidelines a web designer can follow to create a background-independent site, such as using transparent gifs without anti-aliasing, or using contrasting borders around images (the page under discussion would not have looked broken against a grey background if the image had a one-pixel black border).
Nothing New. (Score:2)
Joseph Elwell.
Re:Not specifying the bgcolor (Score:1)
Yes, I am quite aware of that. But if a page is going to use an image whose background is obviously white, I think it should be their job to change the color. Manual color changes kind of defeat the purpose of web pages having colors...
Website Observation (Score:1)
Methinks they need to priorize a bit better.
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First my arse (Score:1)
I've got an old tablet 486 that works the same way... detachable keyboard and presto! you can use it as a tablet with the special pen that comes with it...
'Course, it's got a much smaller greyscale screen and only 25 whole megahertz of power (not to mention a whopping 12Mb of memory). Pretty cool though - I had it mounted to a wall for a bit as an electronic noteboard.
It was made by Compaq, but I forget its name now.
Re:First my arse (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm... (Score:2)
It had the polish of a ready-to-market product, with all connectors in place.
It did not run any applications, only a slide show, so it could still be be a hardware mockup. But definitely not cardboard.
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Re:Hmmm... (Score:2)
The device I saw had a pretty regular LCD screen running at 1024x768. Nothing spectacular, just a screen.
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Re:Screw you guys, I'm going home (Score:2)
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Re:Why not laptops? (Score:2)
Most of all, they are not ergonomic. I use a laptop as my primary computer and I am sick and tired with the "keyboard firmly stuck below the screen" design paradigm. It forces me to a bad working position.
You can run a real, OS(W2k/Linux, etc.)
Same for this device.
Is it me, or are geeks getting even too weak to carry around a 5 lb notebook...?
Oh, that old argument again. I did carry a 3 kg laptop with me until a few years ago. I do not have a car as I live in a city with no parking space and a very good public transportation system and also have a bike.
I was surprised myself that carrying a "normal" laptop with me *is* a major strain, both because of its weight and of its size.
I am glad that the industry makes subnotebooks. My current laptop is 1.5 kg and I can carry it with me all the time without even noticing that it's there. Taking off half of the weight is a major difference.
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Re:Hmmm... (Score:2)
Yes, only a slide show. As I said, it could still have been a hardware mockup prototype.
However, I've seen a lot of prototype hardware on CeBIT yesterday and this one certainly was the best one I had a chance to get my hands on. Most of the otheres weren't even allowed to be touched and those that were felt shabby or had obvious manufacturing problems and looked, well, "homemade".
It was made from the right material, felt like a real product.
Definitely not cardboard and certainly more than vaporware. But if it will become a real, working product - I have no idea.
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Re:Laptops vs. Desktops (Score:1)
Expandability and performance (faster hard drives, memory, video cards, etc.) will be lost mainly due to size and power limitations...
Currently I feel that the best way to go is to have a really fast desktop and a decent laptop (i.e. not a desktop replacement), because you can have a fast desktop and a decent laptop for the price of a fast desktop replacement laptop.
I wouldn't mind seeing laptop market saturation either. =)
Funky displays (Score:2)
IBM lin-watch. 740 dpi OLED!
Even just a 15" MONO display at that resolution would kick major arse...I mean, 11100x8140 on a 15x11 screen?! Palmtops at 2220x1480?!
That would be slicker than owl shit.
C-X C-S
Re:graphics cards (Score:1)
Re:Old news (or the NeXT Step) (Score:2)
Don't discount the shoulders upon which we now stand no matter how little some of them may have risen above those before them (every little bit helps).
Re:Good stuff. (Score:1)
Re:looks like... (Score:1)
Re:Nothing New. (Score:1)
I like to use my laptop while sitting in a chair (I'm not a native english speaker, I hope that's the right word for the 'sitting device' that I want to talk about
Greetings,
"Low power transmetta chip" (Score:1)
Re:graphics cards (Score:1)
chip, it's probably the best graphical (=gaming
laptop available right now. According to early
reviews I've read, it generates impressive framerates for a laptop. Don't remember the exact
model, it's one of the Satellite 2xxx-xxx models.
It also has a combo DVD-CDROM-CDRW drive, and the
pricetag is pretty reasonable (around $2700).
First ever with an "any key" (Score:2)
Re:Really useful? (Score:1)
Re:bahh (Score:2)
It looks too big to be a practical tablet, though.
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Re:looks like... (Score:1)
Re:The price (Score:2)
The PaceBook comes with a Transmeta Crusoe 600MHz processor, 4MB SMI Lynx graphics controller, 128MB SDRAM, 20GB HDD, 12.1" XGA TFT-LCD display with Windows ME or Windows 2000 OS. Optional accessories include CD-RW/DVD-ROM, wireless infrared remote control and CCD camera.
#include "disclaim.h"
"All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." - Steve Wozniak
Short space bar (Score:1)
Re:looks like... (Score:1)
Heyyy, I didn't realize that 'ergonomic' now means 'shrinking the space bar down to three key-widths.'
Indeed. Bastards.
I'd rather have this one (Score:2)
Damn that's a cute little computer!
But what about distributed.net client? (Score:1)
I will not buy before I know!
Re:Laptops vs. Desktops (Score:1)
I'm holding off on buying a new PC because I would like my next "PC" to be an affordable laptop with a docking station. Then I could have all the benefits of both stationary and mobile computing without having to buy two machines.
This will be a bit off-topic....
No, you don't have two computers, you have one computer and one docking station. I prefer two (or more) computers and no docking station. I dock using something called network!
When I come home or to the office, I simply connect the small-screened, tiny-keyborded mouseless laptop to the net, close the lid and put it away.
When I need to work on a project stored on my laptop, I use X and ssh. In essence a seamless docking into my 21"-monitor-fitted floortop.
This also has numerous other benefits. A file/web-server always on net, scientific background processes and file-downloading in the background... always.
So wherever there is a machine with X and SSH I can dock my laptop.
And last but not least, that wonderful distributed.net client for when the CPU is idle. Gotta love them stats.
Re:looks like... (Score:1)
Naff keyboard layouts irk me. Why don't they stick those silly keys somewhere else out of the way?
Re:Really useful? (Score:1)
Sounds a bit kinky.
Hmmm... (Score:1)
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Re:Where is the video card? (Score:1)
JOhn
Keep those CPU away from my balls! (Score:1)
Just wait ten years for the prostate cancer to go back down after untold amount of EM-exposures to our testicle area, from laptops used as "laptop".
Noticed that marketing stop using "laptop" and adopted "notebooks" instead?
Re:Old news (Compaq Too) (Score:1)
Obviously, it was a little more clunky that the machine mentioned in the article (laptops being a little thicker back then), and the keyboard (and pen I think) were corded. But, it worked great and made a great desktop when the keyboard was detached. Not to mention the pen was mighter than the mouse (for some things).
So, Apple wasn't the first with this idea either. And this one was in production.
Smilodon
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The price (Score:2)
Depending upon how they do the stylus, that could be the main factor on the cost delta from a standard laptop.
Re:Good idea, awful price. (Score:2)
Actually, that sounds like a pretty good deal. PocketPCs (that's what they're calling WinCE these days) have no hard drive and tiny screens and the newest iPAQ is going to cost close to $600 when it is released. A good bargain laptop may cost around $1500 but a really tiny, ultralight mininotebooks with comparable abilities will usually set you back about $2000. If this machine will really cost $2000, that's just a small step up from an average laptop.
Re:First my arse (Score:1)
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Re:First my arse (Score:1)
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Re:All that tech for powerpoint (Score:1)
I was at a sales presentation the other day and everyone was crowded around a guy who had a Palm on one side of a portfolio, and a writing pad on the other side. Under the writing pad was a pressure sensitive pad that transfered his handwriting on the paper to the Palm. He didn't have handwriting recognition software, but if he did - wow. We were all impressed, but I have no idea how much those things cost.
Re:Not specifying the bgcolor (Score:2)
[body bgcolor="..."] is deprecated in HTML 4 and later, as it is a presentational attribute and should be implemented in CSS instead.
As long as websites have matted images at all, the world of 'content' and 'presentation' are inextricably mixed. PNG support is uneven and broken, and few people even know about it. It is within a creator's prerogative to make an image that assumes a certain background color. CSS is an optional component of the system.
When images depend on background, a [body bgcolor] is not too much to ask, and is a lot simpler than setting up a CSS clause or override.
We have to face it, there is just no one "right" way to make a web page. You can't just say 'bgcolor is deprecated' and expect every tool that's out there to break the old traditions and bow to the holy new standards.
"Be strict in what one produces, but liberal in what one accepts."
Seen it and liked it (Score:1)
I asked the guys about linux support, they are looking into it but at the moment there is not enough support for the hardware so I guess we better get hacking.
BSD and Ti, now you're talking (Score:1)
It's cute, but it's still a Mac.
Anyone here know what the current status of BSD on the StealthBarbie is ? Soon as it runs a real OS, I'm up for one 8-)
Old tech already (Score:1)
So, it's just like the Fujitsu [beacon-link.co.uk], except that I can already order the Fujis ?
Why is this thing so exciting ? Are Slashdot doing paid product plugs now ? 8-(
Re:MacOS X OK; 1-Button Mouse Sucks; Apple Stagnat (Score:1)
buy whatever freakin' mouse you want, if it is USB the mac will support it
Tricky on a laptop though.
Re:hihi (Score:1)
recent laptops sucks (Score:1)
recently build laptops simply sux. the have fun. what for? laptop is a portable computer, not heater, it shpuldn't generate uneeded heat.
Manufacturers should think about power-saving, not one gigahertz processor. think about laptop from year, let's say, 1996. Pentium200MMX. Give it 64mb ram and linux would run pretty fast. Add current (2001) battery technology and you'll got laptop running 20 hours on cells.
Please, stop making so monstrous laptops with pentiumIII or athlons. Those are not needed!!
OSX (Score:1)
Re:All that tech for powerpoint (Score:1)
I see now... (Score:1)
Thanks for clearing things up for me.
Not bad price for the crack you are smoking... (Score:3)
Granted, everyone is entitled thier own opinions and you have yours, but compared to the current laptop market this is not bad for a unique versatile laptop like this...
Stats? (Score:1)
If I use this, I need lots of disk space on the tablet since my horrid handwriting is unrecognizable by any software... I'd just save each page as an image or a bunch of strokes. Naturally, I'd need at least 50 pages like that. Preferrably about 150+.
Re:looks like... (Score:1)
Heyyy, I didn't realize that 'ergonomic' now means 'shrinking the space bar down to three key-widths.'
I can't tell what keys they're putting down there, but I'm sure I'll end up hitting them with my right thumb.
Re:Really useful? (Score:1)
Re:looks like... (Score:1)
looks like... (Score:3)
All that tech for powerpoint (Score:1)
Excuse me whilst I barf.
Not a new idea (Score:1)
I hope they got 'it' right, though. I fear this thingie will suffer from the 'El Camino' effect. In trying to be both a car and a truck, or in this case, a notebook and a tablet, it fails at doing either well enough, so it becomes neither.
Neat idea, though...
Re:recent laptops sucks (Score:1)
Please, stop making so monstrous laptops with pentiumIII or athlons. Those are not needed!!
Sure they are. I have a laptop with 1400x1050 screen, Windows 2000, 802.11, and a DVD drive. When I'm home, I can carry it around with me and be online anywhere in the house. When I'm at a friends place, I can plug it into the TV and watch DVDs. It takes standard memory and hard disks. I do software development on it including Linux in a VMWare window. It has completely replaced my desktop system. Battery life isn't even a problem. I have two batteries and I can easily go 5 hours without charging them. Today, something equivalent will probably cost about $1700.
The only thing lacking right now is hard drive speed. It's a little heavy for a laptop, but it has to be to have everything I want.
My old desktop is going to be a Linux firewall, mp3 server, print server, and file server.
Re:Really useful? (Score:2)
¹Burn all GIFs (Score:1)
PNG support is uneven and broken, and few people even know about it.
Until they get sued. [burnallgifs.org]
¹Emacs vs. Office (Score:1)
8 *MEG* to run a word processor?
Remind you of Emacs (Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping)? No, wait, Emacs has easter eggs such as M-x tetris [everything2.com] and M-x doctor [everything2.com].
S-video to composite video (Score:2)
A VHS composite video output. This lets you plug it directly into a television set to put on a presentation for a small group, and it's great for playing games with the whole family.
My laptop has an S-video output connector on the left side. (Sadly, it's only active when I run Windows 98.) I got a 24-foot S-video to composite video cable for $24 at some Yahoo! store; it came with a free stereo audio cable. Or you can make your own adapter; it's merely a matter of mixing the signals on the luma and chroma pins.
Too bad my laptop's CPU is too slow (333 MHz Celeron-A) to decode DVD or DivX ;-) movies or to render Quake 3.
Not specifying the bgcolor (Score:2)
Why can't people learn to use HTML? Is it really all that difficult to state which background color you want?
<body bgcolor="..." > is deprecated in HTML 4 and later, as it is a presentational attribute and should be implemented in CSS instead. Some users prefer white text on a black background and have their default stylesheet set accordingly. (If you're using a Web browser that crashes when fed valid CSS, that's your problem. Mozilla has come a long way and is already an order of magnitude better than Netscape 4.x.)
Then I go look at it with Netscape under Linux which, thanfully, does not make everything glaringly white unless it is told to
Changing your "Window" color in Display Properties: Appearance will change the bgcolor of pages that don't specify a color in HTML or CSS.
low powered CPU (Score:4)
Who is willing to have a low powered CPU?
Somebody who doesn't have a lot of money for batteries and will be using this thing for long periods of time away from AC power. "Low powered" does not necessarily mean "long execution time for a given program." Even then, document-editing programs are generally dominated not by CPU speed but by apparent latency; Transmeta's CPUs are powerful enough to run even the bloatware that is MS Office, but I see a potential problem with heavy use of GIMP filters. If you want to play 3d games, get a fscking game console. If you want to crunch RC5 keys, you don't need mobility; get a standard minitower.
Perhaps (Score:1)
Finally! (Score:1)
first? (Score:1)
They are far from the first. Just what the world needs more false marketing
Laptops vs. Desktops (Score:5)
About 2k, eh? Just about *all* laptops are about 2k. Sound familiar? Desktops were the same way until a couple years ago, then the major manufacturers finally started dropping price. At the time, I remarked that this might be a warning sign of "PC saturation" and I turned out to be frighteningly correct.
Laptops are still not saturated. As a consumer, I would like to see them saturate. They may be starting to a little. I have managed to find a few laptops in the $1000 range but I'd like to see major manufacturers advertising $600 laptops. That's right about my price point for a good new laptop.
It's really a shame that laptops didn't clone like the PC did. The race to see who can be thinner, lighter, more ergonomic has resulted in a slew of nonstandard parts. IIRC there were some standardization efforts but they were doomed in any attempt to produce something as useful as the ATX case/motherboard standard.
Anyway, I'm rooting for a "laptop downturn" to follow the PC downturn. If history repeats itself, a price war will precede it. I'm holding off on buying a new PC because I would like my next "PC" to be an affordable laptop with a docking station. Then I could have all the benefits of both stationary and mobile computing without having to buy two machines.
Bigger pictures (Score:1)
Re:looks like... (Score:1)
and for real fancyness (Score:1)
you really wanna see these ;-) (Score:1)
A bunch of neat little laptops that haven't yet been released in the States yet but are apparently available in Japan.
Mark
Re:Laptops vs. Desktops (Score:1)
At the time, I remarked that this might be a warning sign of "PC saturation" and I turned out to be frighteningly correct.
I have to admit, I was frightened.
;)
Re:Finally! (Score:1)
Check it out at www.qbenet.com
Re:Hmmm... (Score:1)
Personally, I'm put off by the "the first tablet computer" claim on the web page. In just recent memory is the IBM Transnote- no removable keyboard, but the screen can be flipped around so that it's a tablet computer, it has the usual stuff- Win2k, ethernet, modem, Type II PC card slot, IrDA, USB, etc. About the only problem with the thing is the small 10.4" 800x600 screen (and okay, the power- 600 PIII, 100MHz FSB, etc)
Re:All that tech for powerpoint (Score:1)
Re:Finally! (Score:1)
802.11 is nice, but just isn't nearly as versatile as Ricochet. [ricochet.com] I'd rather wireless at 128-250kbps all over town than 2-3Mbps 300 feet from my house.
bahh (Score:2)
ender-iii
Stock? (Score:1)
In all honesty, I've seen much better and neater products out there that would reall interest the slashdot community as a whole ...
And I'm pretty sure that other slashdot visiters have not only seen them, but submitted them to
This is just my 2 cents ... it does make you wonder ...
Notebook with PCI slot (Score:1)
Re:Ever Improving Lap Bottom (Score:1)
Re:Fujitsu Lifebook (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm... (Score:2)
Corporate Exaggeration? (Score:1)
This is a nice lap-top, but are we expected to accept that because you can turn the screen on it's end, it has 6 functionality modes?! That's a little much for even me to swallow.M
Screw that, get a Toshiba (Score:2)
Almost makes me wish I hadn't bought my Dell Inspiron 4000.
Re:low powered CPU (Score:2)
By the way, if you really want to crunch RC5 keys you should probably get a high-end G4 tower (heavy integer computations). And I wouldn't consider Office "bloatware". Word runs in under 8 megs of RAM. Windows 2000 is bloatware. OS X is bloatware. Office by itself takes up hard drive space, but actually running it does not tax available CPU resources.
Re:looks like... (Score:2)
Question, though, I use the Windows key fairly often to get at my Start Menu (and it seems to run past full screen apps well). Why doesn't Linux recognize it as a key?
Re:low powered CPU (Score:2)
Except spell and grammar checking on the fly. And inserting photographs into documents. And running in different languages. And making corrections to dumb user mistakes (like not capitalizing the first letter in a word). And being able to fix itself when someone deletes a critical Office file (that's been around since version 2000).
Oh wait, you mean you've never tried StarOffice, either? Now THAT'S a memory hog.
Re:Really useful? (Score:2)
Aren't most dongles parallel? (Not that I'd touch dongled software with a 10-ft pole, mind you). Parallel seems to be the cascadable device of choice (zipdrives, scanners, external CD-R's...) before USB completely takes over.
Re:All that tech for powerpoint (Score:2)
I hate this attitude that infrastructure people (HR, managers, salesman) have where they think they are the company. Without a product, there is not a company. We need your help to make things good, but YOU need our help just to have a job.
Re:All that tech for powerpoint (Score:2)
Re:low powered CPU (Score:1)
8 *MEG* to run a word processor? It doesn't do any more for me than WordStar used to in 64k.
Oh wait, it does - that paper clip does piss me off more than WordStar's arcane macros did...
Re:Where is the video card? (Score:2)
A benefit of this division of labour is the simplicity of the viewer. There are VNC viewers on many different platforms. [att.com]
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Re:First my arse (Score:2)
Technical Data on the PaceBook (Score:2)
What I want to know is, how does the Crusoe CPU run x86 code (e.g. OS binaries for Intel processors)? Does this require a special build or is the Transmeta chip able to just run Intel x86 native code with its VLIW instruction set?
cool, but not new... (Score:2)
Make Mine Titanium (Score:2)